Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

ivan_99

To me it doesn't matter how the engine sounds at wot

Why not?

sweendogy

The problem I have with this conversation is the fact that under no duress the engine is as quiet as any on the board. When bullying to 60 it's not going to sound like a a4 or a tsx or even a lexas es350. It's got a boatload more power then anyof these comps. I think this agrument is a joke - more grunt less cost buy some earplugs or move to the right lane -

tlong

I think this agrument is a joke - more grunt less cost buy some earplugs or move to the right lane -

There ARE plenty of powerful engines that aren't harsh when under high acceleration. But the Infiniti "G" is not one of them.

carnaught

Regarding the Infiniti's "exhaust note": I think this agrument is a joke - more grunt less cost buy some earplugs or move to the right lane

I for one, totally submitted to, and agreed with your statement but found that on a daily basis, it was too intrusive and I didn't enjoy the car and did not want to live with it. So, there are some of us who feel differently following the progression of the ownership experience. This doesn't mean that Infiniti doesn't give one a great car for the money.

sweendogy

I think it's tough to get a feel of the cars sound during a test drive- I for one try to put the potential car thru a few tests around performance - don't know if you were doing this but I can tell you at highway speeds the car is quiet. Is it S class quiet, not even close. For me it's not intrusive at all- and I actaully like the sound it makes - sure it's more mustang then merc but you actually feel like you've got something special when you hammer the gas.

sweendogy

Please name a more powerful engine in car that is listed for under 37 k has 4doors and is quieter? Move to the right, fast lane reserved..

rayainsw

'To me it doesn't matter how the engine sounds at wot.'
I respect the viewpoint.
To me, it matters - a lot.
Part of the pleasure I derive from acceleration
includes the sound and the smoothness of
the internal combustion engine - conveying an impression
that it is "happy in it's work".
I do not want to hear \ feel an engine like the current Infiniti V6.
- Ray
Spends a lot of time at WOT...

carnaught

Part of the pleasure I derive from acceleration
includes the sound and the smoothness of
the internal combustion engine - conveying an impression
that it is "happy in it's work".
I do not want to hear \ feel an engine like the current Infiniti V6.
- Ray

Well said; I totally agree.

carnaught

I can tell you at highway speeds the car is quiet. Is it S class quiet, not even close.

I don't disagree but it is in city traffic, from stoplight to stoplight, where I especially have the problem with it. I had the car for a while and put quite a few city and highway miles on it.

sweendogy

Ray and carnut - just turn up the oldies station you listen to and you will not hear a peep out of the "loud" struggling engine. 10k difference in price - think about all the rolling stones purchases on iTunes.

Well said

tlong

Please name a more powerful engine in car that is listed for under 37 k has 4doors and is quieter?

Gee, I said there are more powerful engines that don't growl so much, and now you're adding "...listed under 37K....has four doors....and is quieter...".

As if those have anything to do with the fact that the engine still growls and there are more refined engines out there. And quieter <> vibration, growl, harshness.

cdnpinhead

Nissan products since 1965, and the car I enjoyed the most and drove the greatest distance was a '73 240Z. That car had a beautiful straight six that I'd put up against nearly anything today. We currently own a '04 Pathfinder with the 3.5 litre V6.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a truck engine -- we have a truck, and it's great. In a car, not so much. Something about the Viper V10 comes to mind.

Once a truck engine. . .

sweendogy

You never said more powerful either, why did you add that? So what are the cars that have more power but are mute ?

sweendogy

You know BMW uses the same engine in there SUVs and sedans as well

nyccarguy

As one of the younger (35) posters here, I dont think coarse engine noise would bother me. I've obviously heard many G37s take off and I do like their distinct exhaust note.

My TSX's engine is super smooth all the way up to its 7,000 RPM redline.

I have the best of both worlds in my Prelude equipped with an Apexi World Sport Exhaust. My Prelude sounds docile at idle, at low speeds, & while cruising on the highway. During on ramp merges & 5th to 3rd downshift passing when the tach needle sweeps past 5200 RPM, my Prelude roars all the way up to it's 7500 RPM redline. And I LOVE it!

kdshapiro

It just doesn't bother me at wot. What I want at wot is power, I don't care about the sound. Cruising down the highway at 65 is another matter. The G is as civilized as they come.

kdshapiro

Ya' know, one man's driving like a granny (no offense to grandmothers) is another man's driving like a bat out of you know where. And vice-versa, they guy who things he is driving like a bat out of hello, is driving like a granny to another driver.

I spend half of my hourish commute going from stoplight to stoplight. There are days I turn off the radio just to listen to the engine growl. I absolutely love it. I get 22 average, with 29 on the highway cruising at 70. I cannot complain.

When I punch it (which is not very often), the thing just moves, I could care less about what the NVH is for the 10 seconds I have the petal to the metal.

To each their own.

When I test drove the es350, yep it was quiet, but it was clearly missing something that I was looking for in my next vehicle.

kdshapiro

Well if you remove the computers, smog controls etc, it's amazing what you can do with a 1973 engine. Of course, one can't build those engines today and have them be street legal.

tlong

You never said more powerful either, why did you add that? So what are the cars that have more power but are mute ?

You misquoted me. I said there are plenty of powerful engines out there that are not so harsh. Not "more powerful" - although I'm sure there are some of those, too. Audi, Acura, and BMW V6's are significantly less harsh. In fact, when I was looking at the G35 vs. Acura TL in 2005, it was the harshness of the G that turned me off, along with a substandard interior vs. its competitors.

sweendogy

Reread your 12800 post again. Again you keep saying there may be more powerful engine that is quieter but have yet to name it. I will answer the question - the answer is non in this class. You have mentioned many times the harshness of the engine and compare it to the tl and others, ok we have heard thi before - how does the tl and Audi compare in performance when then engines in question are pushed? The 2005 TL and G have changed alot in 7 years- take another test drive and stay out of the left lane

tlong

Reread your 12800 post again. Again you keep saying there may be more powerful engine that is quieter but have yet to name it.

I made a mistake by misquoting YOUR misquote of my original statement. I didn't say "more", originally. You inserted that word.

sweendogy

we can talk all day about the quote but "more" or less you don't have a engine to reference -nit picking is fine and I think you should find a car that fits the driver but again this a lux and performance forum for entry level cars. So you have to give a little to take a little - For you to reference 2 cars in a comparison that have both had significant changes over the past 7 years and gripe about engine noise on a test drive from that time period is laughable.

tlong

For you to reference 2 cars in a comparison that have both had significant changes over the past 7 years and gripe about engine noise on a test drive from that time period is laughable.

Usually when somebody has no argument they resort to insults.

I referenced my experiences, which correlate well with recent postings on the G37. The Infiniti G growled back then, and it growls now, too. If you like the power and features, that's fabulous. Just understand that others might have different desires than yourself. No need to be petty about it.

sweendogy

I think they should rename this blog to QC4OM. Quiet cars for old men. Have you checked out the Lincoln town car now that's a quiet ride-

Usually when someone has no point they harp on small details on someone's post and form a counter attack on only a portion of that post.

Please move over to the right , intrusive engine noise comming thru.

fedlawman

"Please name a more powerful engine in car that is listed for under 37 k has 4doors and is quieter? Move to the right, fast lane reserved.."

Dodge Charger R/T
Ford Taurus SHO
Hyundai Genesis
Volvo S60 T6

shipo

I had a Charger R/T rental recently; stunningly nimble (for a car that size), surprisingly fast, and so quiet inside I was able to carry on a 45 minute conference call with clients without them knowing I was in a car in spite of the fact that I was running along at ~75 mph and in the company of lots of heavy trucks and such along the way.

fedlawman

Yeah, the current Dodge lineup is very impressive. I've driven the Charger and the Jeep Grand Cherokee and would happily own either one. They have very nice interiors and the V-8 is stunning. It's the first time in many years that I would ever say that.

cdnpinhead

guy 15 or so years ago, but 3 transmission failures (3 different vehicles in the family) in an 18-month period pretty much wrapped up that love affair.

Have they finally sorted out their transmissions?

It's nice being able to rent different vehicles for work to check them out. National normally only has GM stuff available, but there's the odd Chrysler or Ford product in the lot from time to time, plus I drove my first Hyundai a year or so ago -- all cars are so much better than they used to be these days.

rayainsw

'Quiet cars for old men.'
Old man here [ over 60 ]
and the 335iS I drive currently has the
BMW Sport Exhaust.
At WOT it is NOT quiet.
Past recent cars [ including a Corvette ] had aftermarket
exhausts installed - to let a bit more of that
distinctive V8 heterodyne beat out...
for me to hear.
- Ray
Excellent hearing, for an old guy...

flightnurse

Sween there are always excepts to every rule. In fact a base G37 handles better then a base 335i. Now add the sport package to each and the BMW will always win.

The NSX is not a bland car at all, but a toyota Corolla is, VW Golf is not, Nissan Sentra is.