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Who's the salesman??? Thanks!!!! I live in orlando so tampa is about 11/2 hours away!!!!!
I was all set on '09 due to the heavy discounts, but I'm seriously contemplating '10 now (subject to change after tonight's reveal of the design and, hopefully, pricing details).
1, Whilst it was a great deal, was still much more than I wanted to fork out per month on a motor.
2, At that kind of discounting, you've got to wonder whether the MSRP on the 2010's is about to drop, possibly due to the loss of market share to Hyundai. For me the Gensis Coupe was clearly not as good as the G37x but for 10k less on the base 3.8 Auto which is still pretty well spec'd, it was good enough.
The dealer advised that the cash and coupons (1500/500) ended last night so possibly only the $3k available now. Not sure if this is the case but would seem ilogical if Infiniti are still keen to shift the 09's.
Rgds
Kwaka
http://www.facebook.com/infiniti#/infiniti?v=app_10467688569
press release
http://www.nissannews.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=3DD534BFED539CB9CF5745BE1322- 9761?id=961&mid=140
http://www.nissannews.com/image-gallery.do?method=view&imageGalleryId=209
So, you can take the special rates + $1000 OR you can add this $1000 to the $2500 dealer cash for a total of $3500! You can use the $1000 on a lease as well (they did drop the Loyalty Rebate
So, now if your waiting on a 2010 you got more to think about!
Sewellgsm, I asked once before, and you faxed me a list (my wife recycled for me), but are there any 2009 G37x's (AWD) in Blue Slate with Rosewood, Nav and Tech Packages out there? (other bells and whistles are ok; illuminated kick plate, cargo net, spoilers, etc)
For me, it's going to be a choice between '09 Journey/Blue Slate/Graphite & Wood/Premium (available as of last week) and '10 Vibrant Red with same options.
and is the additional $1000 gonna change minds? i dont know, b/c the Amex referral program offered half of that amount which is no longer available. plus, the upgrades on navigation are well worth the wait imo. dont forget, after the new year the 09s will depreciate accordingly.
if i were a prospective sedan buyer, the decision would not be easy.
So are the released pictures showing the Sport model and the other sedans will only have the new grille and new fog lamp placement? If so, the 2009 AWD I'm looking at may not look as different as these pictures depict. On the other hand, maybe the language in the press release is just sloppy and all the Sedans are getting the new front fascias. It would make my decision on going with the 2009 easier if I knew the answer.
that's probably why they didnt unveil the 10 coupe, b/c it wouldve been anticlimatic.
and while youre at it, can you explain why people on here are receiving offers $1000 below invoice before the incentives, when you said dealerships pay invoice and wouldnt sell a car at a loss? id like to hear the "inside" take from an infiniti dealer.
Makes the whole process just frustrating as hell. I really wish it were possible to just get a legitimate offer on a trade and a good price on new without all these games.
As always - I cannot comment on every deal - there are too many factors. If (key word) someone purchased a vehicle below the dealers cost before invoice - my first question would be was there a trade (then we could argue for hours about the value of that), were there doc fees (someone posted in Florida the doc fees run between $600-$900), maybe the person who bought below invoice paid 7.9% and the dealer had 4.9% (I don't know and neither do you) - I do know last month every dealer had a goal, set by Infiniti - if they hit it - the dealer got $1250 for every coupe, convertible, and M they sold! So, if a dealer needs 1 more deal and they could win $12,500 - then they do what they need to do to sell the car (lose $1000 to gain $12,500) - bottom line is I don't know why or if dealers do what they do - every deal is different and the price is one of many factors to a deal. As long as the consumer is happy with their deal - then great
Sewell might be able to give you a better number.
Dealers are selling 2009 for $6500 off sticker (and according to some on this site, even more) - so around $33,000 for a brand NEW prem sport - we've had a major body style change since 2006 too as well as engine and transmission upgrade. And your getting offered almost half your money back 3 years later - that is not too bad. Remember, they will try to retail it for about $20k - so you can always retail it yourself. That will save you the most money.
When trading a vehicle - only focus on the trade difference. If you tell the next dealer you have to have $18k for your trade - he will show you $18k, but keep the price of his car about $2k higher....
PS m6 was being sarcastic - I guess he doesn't think dealers give low prices to lure customers in then "hold" on trade or financing to make it up....I'm telling you - many do.
I've been checking the Forum periodically and I appreciate the advice.
I'd prefer the G37 Journey sedan, but dealers only seem to have the AWD (even in the summer). This might convince me to get the AWD.
Anyhow, the price what I was quoted is below for an 09G37X sport, premium and nav:
$2,600.00 due at signing plus plates. $459.00 a month 39months 10k miles.
I'm waiting for a reply to see what the actual price was that they were going by for coming up with this price...so I can see where I am at. Now this pricing I was given was with absolutely no negotiating as of yet.
Not in a rush so may just wait for the 2010 and do it in Feb/March, but it seems like they are putting some nice deals out there for the 09s so I'm still deciding...
In the past I have always owned....never leased before so trying to learn what I can...any input is appreciated.
http://www.nnainfo.com/Rewards/datacapture.html
Is Edmunds always so far off? That's around a $5K difference, which makes the Edmunds info completely worthless...
Just noticed the fees seem high:
$1,045 Total includes:
$369 Doc Fee
$656 Lieu Fee (???)
Is that in lieu of charging me more for the vehicle?
How insightful of you to have noticed. I've bought and sold over 35 cars(probably a lot more than you outside of your employment) so I think I've pretty much seen it all so yes I know there are a lot of tricks dealers play. I also realize there are tricks that buyers play as well so it is a two way street. You admit that you really have no idea why a dealer might sell below invoice. So why don't you stop telling everyone that there must be some catch. Maybe the dealer just has a lot of cars and carrying cost and wants to reduce his inventory....simple as that.
Sometimes a simple "I don't know" is better than trying to justify everything.
You seem to be a popular guy here, sorry if I pile on to ask you a newbie question or two. I am in the market for a g37x sedan. I am working with a number of dealers online, as well as a local dealer, who quite frankly, is irritating me. The guy at that dealer told me that the money factor is .00175. I have quotes from other dealers putting it at .00125. I would like to support the local guy, but he needs to come clean to the correct money factor. In negotiating with him, I would also like to be knowledgeable regarding these rebates. I can't find that $1,000 winter cash thing anywhere on the internet. Is this something for the dealers or the buyers? If for the buyers, that sure aren't publicizing it! Also, does this $2,500 dealer incentive/rebate apply to leases on the 2009 g37x? I don't want to deprive the sales guy and dealer of a livelihood, but I don't want to be misled either. Thanks in advance for any knowledge you can drop on me!
Leasing is the way to go IF you like to get a new car every 3 years or so.
As for the Holiday Cash - it just came out and is good with the lease - it is for the dealer so they use it to make more profit or pass it on to the consumer to help close more deals - their choice. The $2500 dealer cash applies only if you purchase (and don't take advantage of special rates).
Now - you know the inside, don't be to mad at the guy on the other end who is trying to make some money - that is his job. Just let him know you know the deal - make him an offer you are happy with and if he accepts great - if he doesn't, offer it to someone else - if no one takes your offer within a reasonable distance, consider raising your offer a tad.
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I actually set the prices for Zag (AMEX and USAA) for Infiniti in the state of Texas - we have a contract with them and pay them a referral for all the deals we get from them. So, I am very familiar with the program.
I have found a G37 at a dealer in another state about 300 miles from my location. None of the locals have one with these options. I had been working with a local but they couldn't find one I liked because of color selection and extra options.
Now, since I've done the work to find it, do I use my local to get it. My only contact with the dealership is to verify the car exists (as of yesterday). But considering the work I've done, I want the best possible deal. So, will my local be able to get it from the out-of-state dealer cheaper than I can going direct.
This car has the lowest stock number of all the G's they have. Is that an indication its been on their lot a long time? And, its VIN sequence number is below 015000 where all others are over 300000. Could be different plants but I hope that they are having a hard time selling it.
Any (good) advice would be appreciated.
One more thing, this is a 6MT. Online I only see 7 listed. Does that mean dealers aren't discounting them because the want a premium or that they can't sell them. Like I said this vehicle has the lowest stock number of all their G's.
If there is a big price difference between a 6MT and 7AT, I can get a 7AT for true dealer dealer cost +600 (for shipping and doc).
Seems like my car ranges from $21K to $24K dealer retail on cars.com and autotrader.com. So, that's why I was thinking the Edmunds trade-in TMV was high, as to be expected, but not $5K+ high. I was thinking I could get $18K-$19K or so for mine and the dealer would still make his gross profit by the time he sold it. Particuarly since mine has pretty low mileage, brand new tires (less than 1000 miles on them), and just had its major service done so reconditioning should be minimal.
If they're willing to go no higher than $17.5K or so, it'll be a royal bummer because then I won't be able to buy the '09. Which is life, of course, but I drove one for a week while my '06 was having a sensor replaced and I was completely spoiled. :-)
Did the dealer locate it for you? I've only see 7 online via autotrader, but one of the locals had a plain one not listed on line two weeks ago before i decide on 6mt over the 328i.
I'm still wondering about the stock number and VIN sequence number being low. Does anyone know if that is an indication of it being on their lot a long time?
Also, did Infiniti increase their invoice and MSRP on later production models (say after September).
Huge thanks to Sewell GSM for the scoop on the additional $1000 and advice on the trade.
Here is the Infiniti VIN info http://www.infinitihelp.com/diy/common/infiniti_vin.htm PM me and I can tell you the last digits S/N for september and october built cars that we own.
I actually bought two G37's in November (a 6MT for myself and a 7AT for my wife). My (6MT) purchase was a bit rushed as I was rear ended in october and my car was totaled. I spent 3 weeks arguing with the insurance company over a fair settlement so by the time I got the check my rental policy was maxed out. I could either buy the car quicker and pay a bit more or wait it out, get a better deal and pay out of pocket for the rental. My local dealer located the car I wanted and in the mean time gave me a free loaner from their service fleet. I know there were no other 6MT's in my "hood" with the specs I wanted.
For the 7AT we had time and there were plenty of cars with options/color we wanted at local dealers, but none at "my" dealer. They still located the car and shipped it from across the state and beat the deal another local dealer 25mi away was giving me for the same optioned car that they had in stock (which probably means I could have squezed another 200-300 $ from the other dealer, but I prefer to buy the car from the place I service it at, call me crazy).
Bottom line: figure out what it's worth for you to not drive. Take the deal you have in hand, go to your local dealer and tell them how much you're willing to pay for a car you want. They may find it (not necessarily at the dealer you have found it at) and you'll get the deal you're happy with, that's what I did. I wasn't going to drive 500 miles for a couple of hundred bucks, but a couple of grand is a different story.