Infiniti G37 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

sewellgsm

Honestly - all options are just that options - what me "must have" for you may not be for someone else. My opinion is that none of those items you listed at the bottom are "must have", but I don't think that the "tech pkg" is must have either. If you drop the Tec Pkg - there are several (20) still in the US. I can fax you a list if you want.

woj207

Ok now you got me looking at the Infiniti website vehicle builder.

If I get the Nav Package, then I have to get either the Sport or Tech Package.

The turn off for me on the Sport Package is the 18 inch wheels, I don't mind bigger wheels, but It rains lots here in Oregon, and I might have to drive in snow, so I was thinking the 17inch wheels were a better option.

The Tech Package isn't screaming "buy me!" but it seems like the it has the options that works better for me.

I could be interpreting the differences incorrectly too.

Then there's also the 2010's that are rumored to have a better center console design and better Video Screen Display.

I may have to find a fax number for you.

sewellgsm

You can get Nav without Tec or Spt....you just can't get Tec without getting Nav. Send me that fax number and I'll fax you all the cars in the color left and the dealer they are located at.

woj207

email sent to tkey@sewell.com from woj027@yahoo.com

If you could email it that would work too.

m6user

as a sales manger, I get paid to make money selling cars -

Exactly why I posted originally. It is hard to give pricing advice when having a vested interest. I've been buying cars for years at invoice +$100-125 or below invoice on many without any rebates/dealer cash. There are car dealers that advertise just about every car in their inventory for below invoice. CarMax, among many others, new car lots do it all the time. For example, a 2010 Maxima SV Factory invoice of $33,744 which they are selling for $32, 248. That's about $1500 below invoice on a 2010. There is a $750 customer rebate involved but how do you explain the other $746? I would guess they rely on making it up on trades. However, that price can be cash w/no trade. So I guess that's how they do it and they have been doing it this way for as long as you've been in the car business.

sewellgsm

I really don't have much of a vested interest when giving advice to buyers who are buying from my competitors which 99% of these folks are buying from - obviously I want people who are at my store to buy - that is my job.

As for advertising, many dealers advertise loss leaders, to get customers to call or email in or come by - but we don't sell every vehicle at the ad price. We both know that. I don't know all the Nissan programs or what contest, certificates, etc. they may have going. But no one on here is posted they are buying cars for $3250 below invoice - so I don't see your point - this is an Infiniti G buying site.

I collect information about my competitors as much as give advice - one of the biggest things I've learned is many dealers charge "dealer fees" and huge "doc fees" which is just code for profit - we don't do that here (maybe we should start). If I am $500 over invoice and someone else is at invoice but has a $500 doc fee - are we not at the same price?

It is a ugly circle - dealers want to make money, some customers don't want to the dealers to make money - dealer finds ways to make money without customer realizing it....customer starts to hate dealer for being sneaky...dealer starts to hate customer for being cheap....that is why we choose to give upfront prices, give fair values for trade, give great rates, no dealer fees, reasonable doc fees ($143)...and that is why we sell more cars than all but 1 dealer in the NE last year - our prices may seem a couple of hundred higher at first, but once the whole deal is put together it is as good if not better and many people like that approach.

PS Obviously, I get paid to sell cars - my advice is free - take it or leave it. I'm on your side m6user - I really don't want to argue with you anymore. Have a good night.

m6user

Maybe working for one dealership your whole career has insulated you from the real world. Have you even heard of CarMax and how they sell new cars? These aren't ads in the newspaper but solid prices on their website. Oh, their doc fee is $99, less than yours I see.

I really wouldn't call this an argument but more a spirited discussion. Again, I appreciate the info you provide here. But your advice on pricing......I think I will accept your suggestion and leave it as I would have lost a lot of money over the years by taking it. Cheers.

sajal

Just wanted to add that I'm from San Diego but ended up buying a 2009 G37 sedan from Infiniti of Montclair in LA. Saved at least ~1700 dollars in the process(check my previous posts). Hope this helps. No other dealer (Glendale, Cerritos, Miller) came close. Miller had some good specials on a coupe.

gooddeal2

I really don't want to argue with you anymore.

...good choice.

hollandog

I understand customers always want to pay less.
But sometimes you need to leave some room for the dealers to profit. They are doing a business after all.

I've been researching hard for the past couple months on negotiating for a new car.
Depending on manufacture, I think if you can get a car at factory invoice (not dealer invoice) with no extra manufacture rebate or incentives. It's a good deal.

I don't feel safe to buy a car from dealers who are willing to sell the car far below my expected price for no good reason.

m6user

I totally agree with you about both the profit for dealers and buying at factory invoice is a good deal. Maybe not the best deal but a good one. Don't get me wrong, I am not one to play one dealer off another and go round and round for a couple of hundred bucks. I think those tactics are as bad or worse than some of the standard dealer practices. When I bought my Infiniti I feel that I got a great package so I'm not some sourpuss on Infiniti or anything like that.

My concern was and is that when a car salesman drums up business on a forum such as this and states that his average sale is XXX above invoice and that people should pretty much accept that as the way it is...it bothers me. I just think if you are in the business you should shy away from giving pricing advice. How can you honestly advise people on how to get the very best deal when they might walk in your showroom the next day? If you were truly just being a nice guy and providing a service/advice why would you self identify.

I frequent several forums where there are "insiders" and to this day I have no idea what dealership they work for as they are very careful not to mention anything other than the state they work in. I've said my two cents and I'm sure many are glad that I'm done with my rant. Hopefully, it provided some food for thought on where to get your advice on car buying. I guess if people can read post after post of "amex card request" this wasn't so bad.

hollandog

Ok I get what you mean.

sewellgsm

m6user - I have as much right to this forum as you. This is a pricing forum of the Infiniti G37 - letting people know what the average transaction price at a particular location is helpful to most - I let them know the state for reference - they may live 1000 miles away and the average maybe irrelevant. I go into detail about "average" and all the things to consider in that number.

We got sideways because someone post "has anyone got a better deal than $2500 below invoice"? No one has posted that they have. I simply said that is a good deal and they should do it and if they are getting better than that beware of some tricks of the trade....how is this bad advice?

Your advice is what? Keep on shopping, call some neighboring states, you may save another couple of hundred but time is money to most people (you maybe retired and have all kind of time on your hands, seem to since your on multiple forums and don't seem to be in the market to buy or sell an Infiniti right now)...plus in the end will you really be saving anything - maybe, maybe not depends on all the other stuff. If you feel the price is competitive, you like everything else about the deal - you like the car and the people you are dealing with - then go for it - some people shop themselves to death and then say how they hate car shopping.

PS I get 2 to 3 emails a day (off the forum) helping people get AMEX hook ups, telling them where cars are located, helping with trade values - I don't think you should be prejudice vs car salesman - stereotyping me when you don't know me is uncool. Feel free to email me off line anytime.

jonas4

I notice that the AMEX promotion expires at the end of the month. Not knowing if Infiniti will replace this promotion with some other offer/incentive, has me wondering whether I should buy before the end of the month. However, while I see all these posts where people are looking to partner up with owners who have received the promotion, I have no way of knowing if people are able to partner up at this late date or do their requests go unanswered (in which case I'll wait until December to see if Infiniti increases incentives on the 2009 sedan). I would be interested in knowing how successful people have been in the last 30 days.

m6user

Your advice is what? Keep on shopping, call some neighboring states, you may save another couple of hundred but time is money to most people (you maybe retired and have all kind of time on your hands, seem to since your on multiple forums

My advice to anyone is to not take advice on what price to offer for a new car from a new car salesman. Is that such bad advice? Yes, time is money. I see that you are on several forums as well(all Infiniti no doubt) and have posted 200 times in less than four months which is more than I have posted in that time. Who has more time on their hands? Are you retired?

Yes, I stand convicted. I am a car buff and spend time researching different models and the prices paid in preparation for my next new car buy. I do visit many forums like I said but I do it out of interest only.

Of course this forum is for everyone(not just those looking to purchase soon) including people in the industry like yourself. Like I said several times now, I have appreciated the information you provide as I'm sure many here have. Telling people that dealerships will go out of business if they sell new cars below factory is just naive and untruthful. There are many dealerships around the country that sell cars at below invoice on a routine basis. Try Fitzmall or Carmax. They do it all the time. If you spent some time on other forums instead of just the ones you have a vested interest in, you may learn that there are many different sales strategies out there.

As this is no doubt getting boring for all concerned I'll sign off. I hope you stay on the forums as you are very helpful.......most of the time.

members78

m6user, i agree with everything you've said. when i was car shopping on the internets, i noticed plenty of people reporting they had negotiated sub-invoice pricing on their new car purchase, so it is possible! there is just so much misinformation and deception out there regarding buying a new car that we as consumers often have to cut through a lot of bull just to get a decent price. and while the internets has leveled the playing field in many respects, there are still hordes of dealers out there who will use any trick in the playbook to move a few more dollars from your wallet to theirs.

sewellgsm

LOL - well we will just agree to disagree - I say take my advice you say don't take it (no matter what it is because I sell cars) - okay. I am only on the Infiniti Edmunds Forums - don't have time to check out the others and I answer stuff while at work throughout the day. Got to go for the day - son has soccer game (yes we reproduce) - there will plenty of time for you to advice folks not to listen to me later - hope the orginal guy who started the thread got his car (my advice) or is still shopping (your advice).

So, are you retired? Do you own stock in CarMax? Two simple questions.

michaelnhl

Hi the Infiniti Goores.
Need your advise.I am at the end on my 2007 Infiniti lease.Considering release G37 2009 AWD Premium + sport. MSRP $40700.The dealer discounting the car to $39 000 minus $1000 for loyalty.Total $38000.With 0 down $ 470 + local county tax.39 month 10000 miles a year.Residual 56% at $ 22 600.
What you think ? May be closing a deal in the next few days.
Thanks for your help.Happy Hollydays to everybody.

duval1

I purchased my Infiniti for $2000.00 under invoice. G37X Prem Nav Splash Guards Trunk Mat Cargo Net MSRP 41380 Invoice 38000 Paying 36000. I'M happy, dealer is happy! I probably could have nickle and dimed for more, but salesperson needs to make a living too. If I would have thought it wasn't a good deal I would have shopped elsewhere. (pick it up tomorrow)

gbrass

">I don't see people talking specific deals in a long time
Recap of mine that might help out some buyers
Cincinnati
G37x Blue Slate coupe with premium and cargo net
$4500 under invoice almost a month ago
Only $100 doc fees too

freezedog

I'm in the Dallas area and been looking to lease a G37 with Navigation, Sport and Premium, packages. The invoice price is right at $38,105 depending on a few minor options such as mud flaps, alarm, trunk mat, etc. Thus far, I have not found anyone willing to do the lease at invoice, certainly not under invoice. I know the $2,500 in not available on leases, but with the 2010s coming out next month, I would think the dealerships would want to work a little on the price to get rid of the 2009s. If not, I would rather wait for the 2010, it will have a higher residual anyway. Anyone have any suggestions for the Dallas area? Thanks.

gbt6146

I am still waiting for AMEX partner with the promotion code since Nov. 1.
I think not many promotion code are still around. You should wait until next month for a better deal.

m6user

Retired from military in July. Am getting ready to work for a defense contractor(not a fat cat, just an E-9) so I guess you could say I'm in between jobs. When I said other forums I meant other Edmunds forums but varied makes. Since you're in most of the Infiniti forums you actually probably look at more than I do on a routine basis.

No, no stock in CarMax unless some is contained in a mutual fund or something. Just helped a daughter buy a car there. Does everyone have to have a vested interest in commenting here?

2010 Nissan Maxima SV 4D Sedan
Destination charges, dealer prep. $0
MSRP $38,830
Factory invoice $35,349
You save on MSRP $5,022
Maryland No-haggle price $33,808*^
* Price includes freight charge but excludes tax, tags and title fees and $99 dealer processing charge (not required by law).

The above is a copy and paste from their website. There's a $750 rebate....you do the math.

sewellgsm

I'm guessing Marine - Master Gunnery Sergeant (maybe Army Sergeant Major) - explains things I was 14B, 1st LT at Ft Hood, 4th ID - now I sell cars - and when you read more of my post, you will finally trust me (even though I sell cars) and see my advice is not harmful - mostly encourage folks to get Infinitis and watch out for the "tricks of the trade".

sewellgsm

Payment sounds good - may check on the "leasing" board next door. Those guys love to crunch numbers over there.

sewellgsm

Coupe or Sedan? :confuse:

sewellgsm

Coupe or Sedan? We are all pretty close to invoice. Do you currently own an Infiniti? If so, you get $1000 loyalty rebate (if leasing a sedan). The big thing going on in Texas is tax credits - so your saving an extra $50/month; therefore, the cars are moving without discounting down to invoice - the tax credits end on 11/30/09.

Email me offline for more information. (Have to find email yourself, not allowed to post it).

hollandog

I think you just need to pressure them more.

I didnt have to do any negotiation to get them to sell the car at factory invoice. (lease)

But I'm located in the northeast.

hollandog

For the Obama Stimulus plan tax credit for new vehicles.
I understand that it's available for purchase.
What about lease? If I paid the tax up front?

My dealer wasn't sure about this so I'm looking for some adivses.
I'm located in NY.

Thanks

hollandog

michaelnhl

I'm not expert but my advise is get nothing but invoice deals at this time of the year for a 2009 model.

For your model with MSRP 40700, the factory invoice should be at somewhere around $37,400. I would ask for $37,400 minus the $1,000 loyalty cash.

littlejoe613

I am curious....when did Carmax start selling new cars? I thought they only sold preowned.

sewellgsm

When they bought out some failing new car dealerships...those dealerships kept their names but are owned by CarMax. Many family owned dealerships have sold out to big companies....

sewellgsm

When I talk about tax credits on leases in Texas - I am talking about "sales tax credits" not income tax credits.

littlejoe613

Ok I did some research on the new cars at Carmax thing. They own 5 new car dealerships. They are Toyota, Chrysler, Chevy, Dodge and Jeep . Carmax has made a bundle of green selling cars at or above retail average using NADA prices and other comparables. They dont negotiate the price according to a sales rep there, so M6user would not purchase a vehicle from them since they don't sell the way he wants to buy, They sell all there vehicles above invoice or at NADA retail plus. There car prices are not negotiable and they don't negotiate trades either. I wouldn't tout the credentials of a place that he himself wouldnt use to buy a car if I was handing out advice like he is. I just bought a car for my son over the weekend because I found a dealership that had a product I wanted to buy,a salesperson that knew his product and got a fair price for a trade. Its that simple. It isnt that hard to do and its better than telling someone to keep on shopping over a couple of bucks.I see Sewellgsm's point . If they sell all there cars to people at little to no profit how long can they withstand those losses before they are asking us for a government bailout? As for the comments about dealerships going out of business..... I have seen several kick the bucket in my area that always had ads on TV about being the cheapest in town. What happened to them? Were they waiting for customers to come in and get there CHEAP service too? My 2 cents. (I agree with m6user....It is better than reading posts about the AMEX offer that should be in a different forum.)

m6user

m6user

so M6user would not purchase a vehicle from them since they don't sell the way he wants to buy, They sell all there vehicles above invoice or at NADA retail plus.

Don't really know what you're talking about and I don't think you do either. What does NADA retail plus have to do with selling new vehicles? I made it obvious they don't haggle or negotiate prices. You pay what is posted. If you had looked at my copy and paste on the MaximaSV a couple of posts back you would see that they sell it for about $1500 under invoice which includes a $750 customer rebate. Just how do you think I want to buy?

If you looked at their website and looked at the prices they are selling Nissans at you would have seen they are all well under invoice. I consider that a great deal especially when you don't even have to negotiate at all.

Their used car prices are as you say NADA retail and in my opinion overpriced for this market so I would not buy a used car from them. However, we are talking about new cars here aren't we?

jipster

I probably could have nickle and dimed for more, but salesperson needs to make a living too

Congrats on the new car, but generally anything under invoice and your salesman is paid the same... a "mini". So next time feel free to nickle and dime.

ergun68

i just bought a new sedan 4 days ago. what do I need to to get the referal coupon? i hope it is still available.

thanks

littlejoe613

Thanks for the compliment. Your posts are full of personal inuendo to anyone who doesn't agree. I wouldnt question my ability to know what I am talking about. I am positive that I have bought enough new cars in my 50+ years on this planet to comment intelligently. The statement made about NADA pricing at Carmax also included that they sell new cars above invoice. After checking that number you posted on a previous post with TrueCar it seems those prices include factory to dealer cash and customer cash so they are still above invoice. I agree that Nissans priced below invoice are exceptional. My main point might have been misinterpreted. Your comment about dealerships making their money on service, parts and used cars lends me to believe you not well informed. I am just saying that comments that car manufacturers sell cars just so they can get you to come in and service them is hogwash. Maybe we all dont know the whole story about where the profitability lies but, I cant believe that a manufacturer would layout billions to develop automobiles to sell just for service and parts business when you and I can get them serviced anywhere. Your comments are entertaining though.

m6user

On the contrary, it was not inuendo it was a direct statement. What a dealer sells a car for has no effect on a manufacturer.....they have already made their profit by selling it to the dealer. If the dealer buys lots of them, the manufacturer makes more money. They don't care and, by law, can't control what price the dealer sells them for. Go over to the VW TDI forums and read about all the dealers adding $1000 to $2000 on top of the MSRP because they are in high demand. Works both ways. You seem to be confused as to the difference between a dealer and a manufacturer.

As for dealer profits, I've read articles in the Chicago Tribune and the Wall Street Journal stating that profits from used cars, backshops, finance and insurance exceed the front end. Of course you don't have to take your car back to the dealer you bought it from for service. But guess what, the vast majority do and that's the numbers game.

And by the way I saw nothing on Truecar to indicate that there is any dealer cash available on the '10 Maxima. A check of Edmunds indicates there is no dealer cash available. This leads me to think that you make up stuff to prove your point or to disprove others.

You like Truecar it seems. They have a good article explaining just what I've just said. Go here, you may be enlightened.

http://blog.truecar.com/?p=1164

littlejoe613

I got the information from TrueCar about the 1500 Cash incentive. You mentioned. you yourself mentioned 750 in customer cash (or did you just make that up?) Seems you dont understand that car manufacturers and dealership networks work together to market their products. How do you explain the offering of dealer cash to move inventory already paid for by the dealer? Its not rocket science to figure that one out. Finance and Insurance it seems to me would be part of the front of a store since it is part of a vehicle purchase not service. Telling a salesperson that you are offering a certain price because they make money on service doesnt seem like it would motivate the sale. Your interest in the VW TDI proves a point here. Its a geeks car. I got a good deal on my recent purchase. I am not a fan of negotiating for cars but It has been fun recently since dealers have offered better incentives than I have seen in the past. I'm glad I hadn't paid much attention to advice like yours. I'd still be looking while others are taking advantage of good opportunities on Luxury line cars not TDI's. Seems to me all perspectives should be welcome here including Sewellgsm since its up to us individuals to decide what is a good deal and what is not. Just like Sewellgsm insinuated... your twisted argument gets tiresome. I'm bored with it now but it was fun while it lasted.

Infiniti Fan,

Littlejoe

m6user

You're just way to smart for me to deal with. Have a good one.

members78

lol he really is too smart - just like Sarah Palin. but what do you expect from his 50+ years on Earth, certainly not some vacuous egoist. :P

the reason dealerships service cars is b/c they make profit. so i agree, it behooves any dealership to sell cars in hopes of ramping up additional profits from the service dept.

jonas4

The last I heard is that capitalism is still alive and well in America. So if someone foolishly pays MSRP (because they don't go to sites such as this) when others are paying under invoice, that's the dealer' s gain. If someone "nickels and dimes" a dealer for that last few hundred dollars the dealer is holding onto, no tears should be shed by anyone for the dealer or the salesperson, as the dealer didn't shed any tears for the consumer who paid MSRP. I find it ridiculous that some feel that as a consumer I owe a duty to a dealership not to nickel and dime them. By the same token, if someone doesn't want to aggressively negotiate, that is their right. How,
if, or through what department (sales,service, parts, financing) a dealer makes a profit is not my concern. My objective as a consumer is to get the best price. Like it or not, that is capitalism.

littlejoe613

Hold on ....I did not say we shouldn't negotiate the price of a car. I was just saying that there is more to the picture. I think we as consumers wonder why we get treated poorly while we nickel and dime a salesperson to death. If you continue to grind on the price over a couple of hundred bucks on a $30k to $40k car, is it really worth all the bad blood? I certainly dont think many ever go to a dealer and pay sticker for a car anymore. With all the info to the contrary why would they? If they do they are fools just as you say. I wonder how many of those $200 grinders complain about how bad they were treated. Its not worth it to me thats all. Long live capitalism.

vinnyny

I think your candid comments are valuable inputs to this discussion. I don't always agree with everything you say, but I don't believe that you've ever purposely misled anybody here. You certainly have never hidden the fact that you're a dealer either.

A while back, there was a used car dealer that regularly contributed on one of the forums here. I always felt the he lowballed all the numbers for trade-ins. Guys seemed to take his word as gospel and I'm sure many took less than they had to for their trades. He was one of those guys that makes us all distrust car dealers--you're not in that category.

kyfdx

Thanks!

jipster

I think we as consumers wonder why we get treated poorly while we nickel and dime a salesperson to death.

I don't wonder that. I think if someone is treated poorly they should walk. I don't get upset when a dealership asks for MSRP, ADM and a high doc. fee... it's business. Dealerships shouldn't get upset if someone grinds to the last penny, as long as it's done in a respectable nonhostile manner. No one is twisting anyones arm to either buy or sell.

dat2

I agree with your sentiment. I hate it when sales people act like they are doing something they feel uncomfortable with. No one is forcing them to do anything if they really don't want to do it then don't do it. The attitude (in the high pressure game) is always to act like the deal is like a life or death thing. Crazy!

joshuaj

Should I bother with using my VPP this month, or am I likely to get a much better deal just negotiating? I know there's $1500 plus either special financing or a $3000 dealer incentive... If I take the $3000 instead of the consumer financing do I get some sort of special VPP financing also? Some dealer said there's a better financing deal for VPP customers a few months ago, but he may have been lying. I'm in Houston, and there are several dealers here and in nearby cities.

Also, has anyone negotiated the VPP price? It looks like even if I paid the same with/without VPP, the dealer makes a heckuva lot more money off me with the VPP deal. Any way to get some of that money?