Subaru Crew Problems & Solutions

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I got out of the habit of using mine due to worries about it freezing up when I lived up North. Now I'm starting to use it again, but sometimes it takes me a few minutes to remember I've engaged it.

    I changed my oil, filter and air filter today, and fiddled with the air pressure in the tires. Rest of the fluids looked ok cold (well, I didn't look in the diffy filler hole). Now if I just had the energy left to wash off the dust from cruising in the desert last Sunday.

    Looking at the service schedule, looks like I need to replace the fuel filter too - what's the deal with that. The schedule on the Edmunds Maintenance Guide says to replace it every 75,00 miles? Mysubaru.com doesn't agree :-) (mine's a 97 OB Ltd. w/ ~39,400 miles btw).

    Steve, Host
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Shouldn't be a problem on your car, cause it doesn't use your regular ones. It uses a special parking brake that is only for the parking brakes so it won't ruin your regular brakes nor your rotor surface.

    -mike
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Monica,

    You might have worn a little off the parking brake shoes, but since they are not the same as the actual rear brakes, the actual brake shoes and drums are fine.

    We all make dumb mistakes like that, and I know the feeling! But, I think you're OK on this one. Might be worth a check to verify that the parking brake holds on a hill, but otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.

    Craig
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Are you saying that even the rear drum equipped Forester X has separate shoes for the parking brake? I know that rear disc equipped Subarus have a drum within the rotor but didn't know there was a drum within the drum.

    Dave
  • ohsubeguyohsubeguy Member Posts: 21
    I have a '99 Forester that has been great for me. That is, until the dealer botched the 60k service resulting in the break of the timing belt. They reubilt the engine at their cost and provided a warranty. Now I am noticing a very hot smell from the engine compartmet, the cooling fans are running more than usual, there is a small oil leak, I'm noticing a little blue smoke on occassion when I start the engine, there seems to be a compression loss resulting in low power output in the higher gears and just today the temp guage was very high. I'm hesitant to go back to the dealer based on the 60k service experience. What should I do? Should I call Subaru and open a case?

    ohsubeguy
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Rear disk brakes have a 5" drum unit in the center section that serves as a dedicated parking brake. But the Forester X uses drum rears, so the mechanical cable acts on the service shoes.

    Steve
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Unfortunately, mine can be made to act as erratic as yours did ('02 OBW H4 Auto). If you engage 'accelerate' on a flat road, it might hold gear or drop one down. It then quickly upshifts and maintains speed when you let go of the stalk. But if you are on an incline, it initially bogs a bit. If you gently 'feel' the accelerator position, you will find it almost to be 'floored'. She then drops 1 or 2 gears and roars ahead. But when you let go of the stalk, I think the 'grade logic' overrides the 'cruise logic' and it says in low gear and the tach (and road speed) continue to rise rapidly. It's brain eventually catches up, but not until it has overshot the intended speed by maybe 10-15 mph.

    Please let us know what your dealer says. I don't think yours is really faulty, but I agree the programmed logic is flawed. With its much greater low end torque, I would doubt that the H6 would act this way. I think it is a symptom of an overtaxed 4 cyl and ECM logic that is trying to overcompensate.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I would do the fuel filter at 30k. It's under the hood on the driver's side, I have photos here:

    http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291908425

    3rd photo. You need to register but it's worth it, lots of folks here put images on that site.

    -juice
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    ...not mechanically minded, you lost me. "...so the mechanical cable acts on the service shoe". Does that mean that the Forester X, since it has rear drum brakes, does not have separate shoes for the parking brake? Not sure what you mean by "service shoe".
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You say they provided a warranty, do you mean the dealer itself or Subaru? If it's the latter, I'd go to a different dealer. I bet at a minimum they didn't torque the cam seals properly.

    I'd find it hard to believe they were not related.

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I am truly sorry.... Did not mean to confuse you!

      "Service" brakes refers to the main braking system you use when you normally drive. This is operated by hydraulics (brake fluid) pressure acting on all 4 wheels - brake pedal connected to the master cylinder. This is to differentiate it from the 'emergency' or 'parking' brake system that is a mechanical cable link between the pullup handle (or mini pedal) and the rear brakes only.

    If your car has drum brakes in the rear, they actually have two control mechanism. The hydraulics act on a small piston cylinder on the top that spreads the brake shoes against the drum. The parking brake then has a separate mechanical link that pushes the shoes out. So these one set of shoes do it all.

    On an all disk brake car, the rear disk brakes have a miniature dedicated drum brake to act as a parking brake. Disk actuators (calipers) can only be operated hydraulically - there is no provision for a mechanical link.

    Steve
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    While late model 4 wheel disc equipped Subaru's have the drum within the rear rotor for the parking brake actuation, not all rear disc equipped cars nor all Subaru's have the drum within disc. My '89 Subaru GL-10 Turbo which had rear discs actually had a cable actuated parking brake on the FRONT calipers (IIRC, Saabs also had FRONT parking brakes). In addition, I've seen / worked on other rear disc equipped vehicles that had cable operated parking brakes on the calipers. The cable operated actuation works by turning the caliper piston versus pushing the piston. When changing disc brake pads on vehicles that have a capiler actuated parking brake, you have to screw the piston back in versus pushing it in.

    Dave
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Yes, there is an exception to every rule. If you look hard enough you can find one. There have also been drive shaft parking brakes as well. But as you pointed out, you have to look hard to find the unconventional. 99% of the cars on the road act as I have described. I already confused Monica once. What would be the point of writing a book highlighting every possible combination, especially those that do not apply to her situation?

    Steve
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    I was under the impression that Subaru was the exception since I've never heard about nor seen any vehicles with the drum in disc setup. Goes to show how much I know. ;-) The ones that I've seen heard about with cable actuated calipers are Datsun and/or Nissan, Saab, Subaru, Pontiac & Lincoln Continental.

    Dave
  • stevekstevek Member Posts: 362
    I change it every spring (it only cost 15 bucks and 10 minutes of your labor). Here in the north east the winter oxigenated fuel has the tendency to "eat up" the paper element in the fuel filter.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So that's why they calls Saabs (and Subies) quirky! :-)

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I've made an appointment for my 60K service next week. The car has 55,2xx miles but will hit 60K most likely on vacation later this summer. Are there any things that don't some up in the normal Subaru 60K service I should be aware of? For example, even though timing belt service intervals have been upped from 60K to 100 (105?)K, would it be prudent to get it changed just the same? Water pumps, others?

    Thanks,
    Ed
  • ohsubeguyohsubeguy Member Posts: 21
    juice,

    The dealer provided the warranty. Should I still go to another dealer? When talking to the dealer, what should I ask to be done as far as diagnostic work? What I'm concerned about is the dealer coming back with a list of stuff that needs done when it might not require that.

    ohsubeguy
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm at 52k also, so I'm facing similar decisions.

    I think I'm going to do the timing belt at 90k. It calls for an inspection at 90k, change at 105k. So me changing it at 90k is already early and preventative.

    But, if you're concerned about the O-ring seal, you could change it "while you're at it" and rest easy about that.

    I would pay extra to change the gear oil in the rear diffy (75w90) and have the ATF flushed completely. Those fluids are spent.

    My Miata's rear diffy oil was clowdy and just plain nasty at 29k miles, though it was 8 years old, to be fair. Still, imagine 52k driving hard.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Tough call. If you are out of warranty, it'll be out of pocket.

    If you are still under 60k, and just did it early, I would consider changing dealers.

    Either way call 800-SUBARU3 and explain the situation, open up a case number, so it's documented. That might help make the fix no-charge to you.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Cool, thanks juice. This won't be a terribly expensive out-of-pocket service for me since I have $500 in Subaru bucks to apply towards it.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Then I would say "why not?"

    I could not talk my wife out of her Toys R Us bucks, for diapers. Maybe when the kids are potty trained.

    -juice
  • forestergumpforestergump Member Posts: 119
    My 99 Forester's cruise control can be engaged starting at 25 mph, and I haven't had any problems with it.

    However, there have been some posts recently from folks who are having problems with their remote key access, and I am now experiencing an intermittant problem with mine. I just replaced the batteries a few months ago, so there shouldn't be a problem. I have a hunch my problem relates to the remote itself. After being carried around in my pocket for five years, it has started to get a little battered and bruised, and looks like the seal near the key ring hole is coming apart. When the remote doesn't seem to want to unlock my Subie, I can sqeeze the remote together around that end and then the remote works. This weekend I'm going to pull the key remote apart and clean and hopefull re-seal it to see if that takes care of the problem. Otherwise, I'm going to have to check into getting a new key remote, and I haved no idea what that will entail. Anyone ever have to replace your key remote?
    -Bob
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I didn't mean to overreact either....

    Steve
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    That's what I like about these boards, you learn something new every day.

    Dave
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Well, it happened again this morning. Started the Forester, idling in neutral and then I start hearing a slight grinding noise coming from the tranny. Engine starts bogging, Forester starts pulling forward even though I'm in neutral. Pushing in the clutch relieves it. Releasing the clutch made it continue. I had to shift into gear once and back into neutral to make it go away.

    If only it was easily replicated for the dealer...

    Ken
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    Those of you who know me (or at least have seen photos of me) know I am, well let's not mince words, I could stand to lose a few pounds. Even when I was younger I was fire hydrant shaped. Anyway I've noticed lately that the foam padding in the bolsters on the inboard side of the driver's seat is starting to break down. I can feel the metal tubing of the seat frame along my hip and shoulder and can see the beginnings of wear where the pressure of my body rubs the seat fabric against the frame. This is especially noticeable when I take left turns at speed, as my body weight shifts toward centerline.

    Short of going on some amazingly extreme short-term weight loss program, does anyone have any suggestions for repair or replacement?

    Ed
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Move the steering wheel to the right side. ;-)

    Dave
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    drops right in, and have better bolstering too.
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    Pre '04 WRX seats are pretty tight for a fire hydrant.

    Dave
  • jlawton2jlawton2 Member Posts: 25
    thanks, that pretty much decribes the behavior and the cause sounds logical to me.

    I can't get it in for a couple of weeks but I'll ask dealer service to check it out when I have them look at a couple of other things. I'll let you now what they say. I'll have to remember your post when I talk to them, it decribes the behavior very clearly.

    J
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What did Loosh do with those GT seats? :-)

    Option B - try an upholstery shop. They could prolly patch yours, or you could re-do it entirely. Katskins leather is $900 or so installed, I'm sure fabric is half that, and that's for both seats.

    -juice
  • ohsubeguyohsubeguy Member Posts: 21
    juice -

    I contacted 800-SUBARU3 and had a case opened up. 800-SUBARU3 is going to contact the dealer on Monday after the diagnostics have been run and then they are going to contact me and do a follow-up.

    ohsubeguy
  • amsbearamsbear Member Posts: 147
    Hi Crew,

    Anyone have any luck finding the correct Bosch wire sets at any of the local retail auto stores? The Bosch web site says that my 98 OB takes model #9026 which is not even listed or stocked at many of these stores (Autozone, Pep Boys). I checked the NGK site but they don't offer a reference chart for their wire sets.

    Some online stores are showing a different Bosch # for the wires which is adding to my confusion.

    One dealer that I called wanted $80 for a set, and he couldn't even tell me who manufactures them (I would suspect NGK though). Bosch wires go for ~58.

    I kinda wanted something better that oem but not deal with Magnecore due to earlier discussions about their fit and service.

    Any thoughts....

    Thanks,

    Alan
    98 OBW Ltd
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I haven't had to replace mine yet. Mazdas had wires that require replacing all the time, I did that on our Miata and our old 626. But not with the Subies, they both have stock wires.

    I would special order them, they take 10 days or so, but Pep Boys got my clutch slave cylinder rebuild kit exactly right for $10.72.

    -juice
  • amsbearamsbear Member Posts: 147
    This is my last step in my 60k mile maintenance that I have been doing myself. I have the plugs (NGK) and some time off this coming week, just need the wires.

    There is no glaring sign of needing to replace them but I am just about to turn 70k miles. Yes, I've been milking this service for the past 8000 miles or so.

    Wish I had more free time to be an OCD'er. Work and parenthood.... you know the story.

    Alan
    98 OBW Ltd
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    No need to patch seats yet; if they could only get the covers off and cut me a new bolster in the same size and shape out of some stiffer foam I'd be set.

    Pre '04 WRX seats are pretty comfy even for my wide frame BTW. Haven't sat in an '04 yet except for an STi.

    Ed
  • dcm61dcm61 Member Posts: 1,567
    FWIW, I still had the original wires (and NGK platinum plugs) on my '96 Outback when I traded it in at 128k miles. Still seemed to run well. I had planned to change the plugs at 60k miles but never got around to it.

    Dave
  • toboggantoboggan Member Posts: 283
    Has anyone tried the Bosche platinum plugs? Or are the NGK platinum plugs the only ones to use? Am still gathering materials for the 60K service (now at 56,000+ miles) for my '98 OBW Ltd (30 yr anniversy model). Everyone using the Subaru fuel filter??

    Thanks.

    MNSteve
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Chat in ~3 hours. No promises on whether it'll actually work, lol.

    Steve, Host
  • jlawton2jlawton2 Member Posts: 25
    I'm beginning to think I attract more than my share of weird car noises, either that or Subaru's make more weird noises :)

    Anyway, I was driving to and fro on errands this evening and out of the blue as I turned into a parking space the car began to make a fairly disturbing grinding noise, the sound was like the tire was really rubbing the wheel well though that wasn't it. This is the '98 Forester with 69k and the tranny whine at 70mph, not our new 03 with the independently-minded cruise control.

    Once it started making the noise it made it on every turn after. It appears to be mainly turning left, (though I think most of the time I ended up in left turns for some reason.) It was worse the sharper the angle of the turn so much so that I ended up executing one reverse from a parking space with more numerous back and forths in order to avoid making to sharp a turn.

    I did have bearing problems in the front a couple of years ago with this car at about 30k that were repaired. Unfortunately I cannot recall what that sounded like. And it was very wet out, I wonder if that's any sort of clue?

    Any ideas, bearings, steering mechanism, bad karma? The list of things I need check out during my next service visit is getting longer.

    J
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    ....driver's seat thigh bolster failed just like Ed's, which is what precipitated my search for 2.5RS seats. I would have used WRX seats but TaiChih sold me his RS ones for a whopping $150. Not quite as good a seat as the WRX, but still better than the GT and certainly cheaper than the WRX ones for sale at that time.
  • deville70deville70 Member Posts: 8
    No early maintenance, I agree. Save the money. Especially on older cars. I have a 1990 Subaru Loyale with 172,000 miles. I used to drive it 100 miles round trip daily, so followed the 7,500 mile oil change recommedation. Now I drive less and mostly in town, so follow the 3,750 mile standard. Still, for me that's only two oil changes per year as I now barely get more than 7,000 - 8,000 miles per year on the car.

    I don't think it pays to do early maintenance on cars many people don't keep more than a few years anyway. Frequent oil changes and other earlier maintenance may be more important if you want the new car you bought to go 300,000 miles, otherwise forget it; it takes years for longer term oil changes to prove (if they even do) detrimental to the car. If you buy cars like I do at 60,000 to maybe 100,000 miles, forget it. Any damage has already been done. Just follow the standard maintenance schedule.

    My Loyale has noisy rear struts, and not cheap to fix. I asked repair shop if it affected the function of the shock absorbing or otherwise affected the car's function. Answer no, at least not for a long time. So 50,000 miles later the struts are still in there and still a little noisy, but who cares, it's a 13-year old commuter car. The noisy struts (or is it shocks) still do their job.

    I did go ahead and have a timing belt replaced 10,000 miles early because the shop had the engined opened up anyway for some other serious problems, and the belt was "right there". That's different. But otherwise, fix it when it's scheduled or otherwise broke. You can bet the manufacturer has built in some "play" in their recommended maintenance schedules.

    - deVille70
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Just saw your post Re seat bolster, if the seat cover is still good any good upholstery shop can repair or replace the bolster for minimal cost.

      Cheers Pat.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Your 110k vs. 105k timing belt example may have just been arbitrary, or you may actually think literally in those terms. Let me lay it down for you in literal terms first...

    Belts should be inspected often, and long before they are due for schedule replacement, it might not be a bad idea to do it anyway. If the belt is cracking and there are ribs or teeth missing, it's probably a good idea to replace regardless of the age.

    There is an EPA reg (not sure if it's LEV or a totally difference spec) that says you have to make it 100k miles without anything other than consumable changes --oil, coolant, etc-- and that's why timing belts and spark plugs are now "OK" to a bit north of 100k. I'm sure some work was done with timing belts to ensure this life, but to blindly assume without inspection that it's a guaranteed thing could be a costly mistake.

    Timing belt swaps are not that expensive on a Subaru, because unlike most modern engines (with a transverse layout) they do not require partial removal of the engine from the chassis. It's a whole lot more expensive to rebuild a cylinder head, pistons, and if you're unlucky the whole engine.

    SOHC timing belt changes can easily be done at home by an average hobbyist. DOHC... maybe a little more skilled than average. :)

    I'm wandering. Sorry, the overall point is that things do not happen according to a tightly regimented schedule like the changing of the months on the calendar. There are a lot of moving parts, wear does vary with use, and since they're (mostly) man-made, stuff does happen.

    Oil changes are a totally different subject. I'm talking about replacing mechanical parts...

    -Colin
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I've never heard of an EPA reg like that - I know there are some emissions regs that specify warranty periods for emissions stuff, but I always assumed that was for the cat, not timing belts. Got any more info or a link? Thanks,

    Steve, Host
  • kevin111kevin111 Member Posts: 991
    My key fob is great! Can activate the locks from almost 100 feet away! Makes it easier to find my car in a parking lot

    In terms of cruise control. Have a manual, and use the cruise all the time. The Subi's cruise is great. Keeps the car at a steady speed unlike many American manufacturers in which it tends to differentiate by as much as 5 mph and even more when set!!!!
  • outback_97outback_97 Member Posts: 130
    I don't know if the '98 Forester and '97 Outback shared a pwr steering pump, but mine went out at a similar mileage and exhibited some pretty bad grinding and screeching noises while turning.

    There were actually little tiny metal bits coming out of the pump, it was hard to tell exactly where they originated at first, since they were hitting the belt and getting flung everywhere. Fluid was at correct level, but the pump just died.

    utahsteve
  • gregmiscgregmisc Member Posts: 17
    I tried to keep an eye on it today and at 56 MPH going up a hill the RPMs only go up from around 2500 to 3500/3700when it downshifted. Once I crest the top of the hill it upshifts and goes back to around 2500. If accelerate is tapped as I start a real steep hill the RPM shoots up around 4000/4500 but does not stay there long and always returns back to normal when I crest the hill.
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    kevin says, "My key fob is great! Can activate the locks from almost 100 feet away! Makes it easier to find my car in a parking lot"

    I wish mine worked half that well. The lock function seems to work from reasonable distances, but when I return, the unlock function is nearly useless. It typically doesn't work from any position anywhere around the car except practically touching it to the driver's window while repeatedly pressing the button. If I have to get that close, I might as well use the key in the lock!

    jb
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