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I don't have to recall. Scoobymods or someplace like that may have it documented, but if not I've got images of the 2000 factory service manual, which would be accurate torque specs for any 99-up SOHC 2.5L.
It's a complicated procedure.
-Colin
-Colin
Changing oil is a breeze but it does drain more slowly because it's a smaller bore.
I didn't install one earlier because I had free dealer oil changes thru 45,000 miles. I'm glad I got it.
Check out lubespecialist.com as well as fumotovalve.com.
Jim
I've had mine on for over 15,000 miles and there are no leaks nor any other complaints from my experience with this.
The valve and the filter location/orientation makes this the easiest and cleanest car to do oil changes on.
It's certainly inexpensive enough and you won't need to pick up crush washers for the drain plug any more.
Alan
98 OBW Ltd (just passed 70,000 miles)
I have a 2000 OB WGN and was recently trying to change the fuel filter. I downloaded the service manual from the subaru website about this. It says to disconnect the fuel relay--I did that. Then it says to run the engine until it stalls. I tried to do that, but it ran for 20min at 1-3000rpm and still didn't stall. What am I doing wrong? How can I release the pressure in the fuel line?
Eric
Jon
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=623- 9
Colin- moving this swap discussion to mods...
If the car is not running correctly, it may drive you nuts dumping in and out of gear. A car with a computer aided transmission has a lot to think about when deciding what gear to be in (let alone when to engage the torque clutch assm.)
Remember the computer "HAL" on the space ship on 2001 space odessey? (It was confused because of being given two directives) Ok, maybe you don't - trust me on this one .
Your auto tranny will do the same thing to some degree. If the motor is not working perfectly or a sensor is misreading, you will have a confused transmission. They try to decide between "fuel economy"(a primary objective) over perhaps "power" by switching to a lower gear or disengaged torque clutch.
The end result anyway is confusion in the tranny with unecessary shifting.
My advise- To take or ignore
If it appears to be incorrect to you, take it in and have them look at it to be sure.
Hehe... GMTA, Juice... when any of my crew offers to help, I just plan on it taking twice as long. Daniel is old enough & big enough that he is a genuine help, but still requires looking over his shoulder sometimes. Patrick is just full of questions & questions that breed more questions. Gayle's off somewhere with her Barbie collection, but her contribution to the cause was going along shopping for the parts!
Cheers!
Paul
Eric
Question on the Fumoto valve. I remember a thread (i-club??) about cutting a slot partially down the threaded body to increase the drainage. Otherwise the high thread shoulder traps the bottom third-to-half inch of oil in the pan. Anybody doing this???
Got the OBW back on Friday with the HG changed, but I have some major issues to discuss with the Service Mgr. I will share what is appropriate once that meeting takes place.
Steve
Wow Eric! 20 minutes? LOL
Just open the filler cap to release pressure. If you are careful, for instance have the hoses facing up when you disconnect them, there is very little spillage. Reconnect one at a time.
I even pinched the lines (carefully so they don't cut) to minimize the mess.
-juice
Anyone try that drilling?
-juice
Take a look at this. Very good site in general although the mods mostly cover the Impreza / WRX line. Excellant photo work too!
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fcdf2d8a5ca73b9- - c09f52b1b0508bd6f&threadid=169&highlight=fumoto+valve
Alan
98 OBW Ltd
Though I have felt hot oil on my hands, and that sure would save time and prevent a mess.
-juice
John
At first the GM questioned why I would want both sides done if only one was obviously leaking. Generally SoA only authorizes the offending side be changed - and 99% of the time it is Cyl #4. And I agree, this is open to debate. Sometimes you need not fix what isn't broken. But I assured him that my main gripe was
1) what I was told did not appear to be true (they lied to me), and
2) what was being falsely charged to SoA (they lied to Subaru).
But after he pulled and reviewed the master copy & report, he got more serious and asked to look at the car. He then called the Sr Tech and asked for his opinion. To confirm they put it on the lift and removed the splash guard so that he could check all stains, bolts & gaskets. Indeed, only the drives side was done.
Consultations ensued between the GM and service writers / technicians. A initial rather lame sounding excuse about multiple cars being serviced by that tech and confused reports. I didn't buy it, considering the discussion we had standing under the car... Talk about further investigation and possible disciplinary action. An assurance that the GM would personally handle my car should I have faith enough to come back again. They would gladly do the other HG if I want it (I will probably pass...). An adjustment to the report and charges to SoA. (Patti - are you listening to all this????) Talk about honesty & integrity, yet some of these fraudulent charges & hours padding happen at every dealership.... Finally I was asked what it would take to make me trust and forgive, for which I really had no answer. What price redemption???
Feeling violated in NY,
Steve
I'd be interested in the failure rate of the Sube headgaskets. It will be interesting to see how SOA handles this situation as time goes on.
On the Fumoto valve, I notice the scoobymods thread was back in Jan. 2002. I wonder of Fumoto has made any changes since then.
Jon
That's still what I would do, in fact.
Also, find out if they techs work in "teams", if so ask for another team to be designated to work on your vehicle in the future.
I think the manager is being honest, and that lazy tech got busted (and was hopefully reprimanded).
-juice
I'm going in soon for the undercoating recall. I'll ask if the tranny behavior is normal then.
Jon
They're both getting free loaners, so it's cool.
-juice
Jon
Silly me!
Steve
Steve
Ugh. You might want to call 800-SUBARU3 and open up a case. Their mistakes should at least be documented.
Patti is back BTW. If the 800 folks don't help, we'll get her involved.
-juice
Greg
Greg
There's plastic ones in the Griot's catalog that look like yours, and they have others that say they will work with lowered cars. I'm investing in the tools (and the fumoto valves) to do my own changes on both cars, but I don't want to jack up the GT every time on that center crossmember.
Wal Mart has them, or K-Mart. So does Pep Boys. They should be $30-35.
I have used mine probably fifty times. One of the most useful items in my tool shed.
-juice
I believe the location is in the front bumper opening for the radiator (in direct air flow). I have a WRX and installed an auto-dimming temp/compass mirror and there was a little bracket that is apparently used in the Impreza outback to hook up the tempi sensor. This was a vertical bracket in the lower bumper opening, a little to the drivers side.
Mine just clipped on, but I ended up using a tie to hold it better. Maybe yours came unclipped?
Take care,
Paul
Thanks for the info. I will look for it. It took two days for the connection to dry out enough for the sensor to start working correctly, but it is back on track. I would think that a more waterproof connection should be in order, this location gets wet all the time.
John
Juice: Other than making it a penalty exercise, I am not sure that I want them messing with the other side. Maybe it will never fail.... I have studied the procedure, and make no mistake about it, it is major surgery. I have done head gaskets on lesser engines (American pushrod V8's & inline arrangements). I could probably do a Subi, but I hope to never have to try.
I am thinking of asking for a free 30k service as a compensation for this whole affair. Again, I could do this stuff myself, but always seem to be short on time to get it done. It is a ways out in the future for my needs, but it was one suggestion from a few friends. Still, the question is whether I trust them enough to ever go back. What do you guys think?
Steve
-juice
For me they did a wheel alignemnt and tire rotation on a wrecked car BEFORE sending it to the body shop. Now I have a recall on my SUbie and I will drive to Kingston to have it done, the Wappingers people will not see a penny from me
Steve
For everyone else - please do what Steve did. Review the concern with the Service Manager and the dealership General Manager. If you are still unhappy, contact us via the Subaru website or call 1-800-SUBARU3. I know that we can help with these situations. While I cannot get directly involved with most problems, our Reps. are trained to assist. If it isn't handled to your satisfaction, I'll work with the Rep. to make sure everything is thoroughly reviewed.
I know I've heard a lot about head gaskets, so, knowing Subaru, they'll address the issue when they have enough information. It's tough that people have to experience problems occasionally. Oh, but for the perfect car!!! But, we'll do our best.
I'm really sorry.
Patti
Confronting the GM, then walking thru the shop after creating a firestorm was one of the most uncomfortable experiences I have had. To be fair, he handled it pretty well, but no customer should have to go thru this.
The sad part is that it only came to this because I 'speak the language'. If I was like 99% of their customers, I would have sailed on thinking I had received the best treatment ever.
Steve
Patti
BTW, Fitzgerald gave us a service loaner, and not an econobox, either. They called this morning to let me know they were going to take another day, which is fine.
This is how customers want to be treated. They were honest, polite, and accomodating to me.
-juice
Patti
The Rep. can contact the dealer to make sure they are using all of the available resources to try and resolve this for you. Some "cold start" engine noise is normal. Long explanation, but the Rep. can provide it. But, since you are saying it is getting longer, we should probably check it out for you.
Thanks - and sorry about the problem.
Patti
Couldn't help but think about the rest of us who fall into the cracks as consumers. You spoke their lingo and still went through the ringer.
But also good to hear the power of this forum. One more tool to stick in my tool box. I'm new to the Subie community but I don't think your experience is car specific or dealer specific.
And yes it's all about trust, matter of principle and business etiquette. Just think how far reaching your posts are.
Pretty sad when we have to be real "cautious" when seeking "professional" help. One of my experiences that stand out has been loose lugs on all four after getting new tires. This was way back when I was younger, almost had me a Goodyear franchise.
Good luck and I hope your issue gets resolved to your satisfaction --- and for the rest of us.
I can say that the information exchanged here at Edmunds is good for the consumers (to see how things can get resolved) but it is also good for us so we can get to the root of issues.
Patti