Funny thing about hotels; the more you pay, the less you get. The expensive joints give you "ambiance" I guess, but less expensive hotels seem to always have free parking, breakfast buffet and way more cable channels.
The dealer claims their fee is $499 and is nonnegotiable under Florida law... "AutoBusters charges a $499.00 dealer fee and is mandatory for all customers. This is a dealer fee and The State of Florida law states it cannot be negotiated."
Does Florida manadate a profit fee for dealers?
The 79 Pontiac is a great looking color. The seats remind me of my 77 Cutlass Brougham. Really great cloth seats.
1980 Corolla -- well at least you know now that if you had put your '80 Corolla away for 29 years, and kept it in pristine condition, you'd get a cool $1500 for it today. Aren't you sorry now?
83 Renault LeCar -- is this the new world record bid price? Could it possibly be true that the seller turned it down?
AMC Gremlin -- $3500 bid? Bring the sick to the site of this miracle, so they might be healed.
62 Saab ---$8K and climbing. I'd love to have it, but c'mon seller, $8K is good money for one of these things. It's not a GT750 Monte Carlo after all. VERY patient seller, answering all kinds of dumb questions.
DTS = DeVille Touring Sedan STS = Seville Touring Sedan CTS = Catera Touring Sedan, though I have a hard time equating that wonderful new little Caddy to that tarted-up Opel Omega! I could've have been diabolically cruel and said "Cimmaron Touring Sedan!" :P
Was the '49 Cadillac ever referred to as a "deluxe touring sedan"? That's why I don't understand the Ebay poster's calling it a DTS.
As far as winter in Ohio, I'm ready for cruiseins to start again... The Ebay select postings by fintail serve as a mini-cruisein, but I'm ready to start seeing the obscure cars from the past that owners roll into the weekly or monthly car shows.
Nope it wasn't...but ebay has certain classifications for Cadillac, and that's one. Ebay doesn't care how you classify your ad, you could list a 1903 Caddy as a DTS. Technically, the 1949 car would fall into their "not specified" category as they don't categorize model names for older cars.
I wish we had good cruise-ins or large informal shows like the ones Andre attends out here. Every cruise in style event I have been to seems to be only for fiberglass hot rods, 57 Chevys customized in 1979, and muscle cars.
Obscurity comes in two flavors doesn't it? It's interesting how certain cars, made in HUGE numbers, are rarely seen anymore. This suggests of course that they were regarded as useful, utilitarian, and disposable.
I think in some ways, those older, boxy 80's Grand Marquis and Crown Vics are nicer than the ones they have today! Especially on the inside. The interiors were just much better-padded and seemed to be made out of nicer materials. Today, I guess the most common customers of the "Panther" body are police departments and taxi fleets. So they probably just make the interiors to reflect that, and then throw in leather seats and some fake wood for the few retail customers that are left.
I don't know if it's just my imagination, or the rounded off styling of the new ones had something to do with it, but I swear those older models were roomier inside, too.
Well you'd certainly have more rear seat headroom with a box than you would with a curved roof.
True, but it wasn't the headroom that bothered me. The back seat seemed tighter to me, legroom-wise. I wonder if they had to move the back seat forward a bit, because of the more curvy roof? The rounded style also lost a lot of footroom under the seat for back seat passengers, but that's probably a result of re-designed seats.
I guess they also made the sides curve in more, so maybe the roof pillars and window glass is closer, as well? And the dashboard juts out, in a fashion that when you open the doors, it's there for you to bang your leg on, just like the old "dogleg" of a 1950's car with a severe wraparound windshield.
Oh yeah! I had a white 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis LS with a dark blue leather interior. It was a Lincoln Town Car in all but the name. I called mine "The Poor Man's Town Car."
I spotted two more fortunate relatives of my '88 Park Ave: a 1985 or 1986 Park Avenue in maroon with a maroon vinyl top and the rectangular sealed-beam lights in place of the composite units on my car, and a blue 1986 LeSabre. They both had much nicer paint than my car and looked like they were well cared-for overall.
I might save every homeless Cadillac Brougham and he'll save all the R-body Chryslers!
Funny you'd say that Lemko, because Grbeck found another R-body for sale near his home! You and I actually saw it from a distance back in October. It was red with rally wheels off of a 1980 or so Mirada, parked at a body shop. Well, now it has a for sale sign on it!
I'm tempted to go look at it, but between the money I've sunk into my '67 Catalina, and the money I sunk into the heat pump for the house, not to mention what the economy's been doing, I'm a little on the broke side right now! :sick:
Well, I've heard it pronounced "BRO-ham" and "BROAM." I find it curious the British call a sedan a "saloon." I've always thought of a saloon as an Old West tavern.
Heck, I just got my place back together after a pipe broke. My girlfriend loves the new carpet so much she won't even let me wear shoes in my own house!!! She keeps house like I keep my Brougham. My bathroom's ready for the Pebble Beach concours.
I'm waiting for Collectible Automobile to do an article on the R-body. I bet there's an interesting story behind it.
A few years back, the 1979-81 5th Ave (or it might have been the whole NYer lineup) did show up in the "Cheap Wheels" section of "Collectible Automobile". They really didn't have anything nice to say about the car except that it's cheap to buy compared to a Cadillac or Electra/98 of similar vintage.
I think the R-body was initially supposed to be dumped after 1980, but it survived for a short 1981 run, due to demand by police and taxi buyers, and I think the Newport was popular as a rental car. And since the NYer and 5th Ave were just fluffed-up versions, but virtually identical, it was probably profitable to keep them around, even with limited sales.
I've heard that assembly line workers joked that they were going to take the next-to-the-last R-body off the line and bust it up with sledge hammers. Dunno if they actually went through with that, though. Or what happened to the last one off the assembly line.
Incidentally, 1981 was supposed to be the last year for the M-body as well, but enough police and taxi and other fleet buyers protested, that Chrysler gave in and kept them going.
I forgot about that article. Now that I remember, the car pictured in the article had a resemblance to your '79 New Yorker. I'd like to see an in-depth article with the Gran Fury and St. Regis included.
Well if you want to impress your friends, say "broom", as that's how the original carriage name was pronounced. "bro-ham" is just sort of illiterate but "broam" is often used in the US. It's like a Yank pronouncing Worcester as WOR-chester instead of WOO-ster.
It's than kind of "faux-luxury" terminology that sort of eroded Cadillac's credibility I think. I mean, it's not a fancy horse carriage and it's not a 1930s Rolls limo done in silver plate and silk and leather and walnut. It's a mass-produced car from Detroit. Let it stand on its own merits. Who did Cadillac think they were fooling?
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The Sorrento in Seattle charges $26.50 with a room too. What's next, coin operated elevators? :mad:
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The dealer claims their fee is $499 and is nonnegotiable under Florida law...
"AutoBusters charges a $499.00 dealer fee and is mandatory for all customers. This is a dealer fee and The State of Florida law states it cannot be negotiated."
Does Florida manadate a profit fee for dealers?
The 79 Pontiac is a great looking color. The seats remind me of my 77 Cutlass Brougham. Really great cloth seats.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
83 Renault LeCar -- is this the new world record bid price? Could it possibly be true that the seller turned it down?
AMC Gremlin -- $3500 bid? Bring the sick to the site of this miracle, so they might be healed.
62 Saab ---$8K and climbing. I'd love to have it, but c'mon seller, $8K is good money for one of these things. It's not a GT750 Monte Carlo after all. VERY patient seller, answering all kinds of dumb questions.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
STS = Seville Touring Sedan
CTS = Catera Touring Sedan, though I have a hard time equating that wonderful new little Caddy to that tarted-up Opel Omega! I could've have been diabolically cruel and said "Cimmaron Touring Sedan!" :P
As far as winter in Ohio, I'm ready for cruiseins to start again... The Ebay select postings by fintail serve as a mini-cruisein, but I'm ready to start seeing the obscure cars from the past that owners roll into the weekly or monthly car shows.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I wish we had good cruise-ins or large informal shows like the ones Andre attends out here. Every cruise in style event I have been to seems to be only for fiberglass hot rods, 57 Chevys customized in 1979, and muscle cars.
The man in the gray vinyl car.
The stylish man in the gray vinyl car.
When you can't afford pseudo luxury.
Old, infamous, and unloved.
Iron's about all you're getting here.
Thank Goodness !!!! :P
Or we could weld them one atop the other and title it "How Detroit Lost Its Groove".
I do like those two Broughams, especially since they have 350's!
I don't know if it's just my imagination, or the rounded off styling of the new ones had something to do with it, but I swear those older models were roomier inside, too.
True, but it wasn't the headroom that bothered me. The back seat seemed tighter to me, legroom-wise. I wonder if they had to move the back seat forward a bit, because of the more curvy roof? The rounded style also lost a lot of footroom under the seat for back seat passengers, but that's probably a result of re-designed seats.
I guess they also made the sides curve in more, so maybe the roof pillars and window glass is closer, as well? And the dashboard juts out, in a fashion that when you open the doors, it's there for you to bang your leg on, just like the old "dogleg" of a 1950's car with a severe wraparound windshield.
Trivia: Did you know the correct (British) pronunciation of brougham is "broom"?
Funny you'd say that Lemko, because Grbeck found another R-body for sale near his home! You and I actually saw it from a distance back in October. It was red with rally wheels off of a 1980 or so Mirada, parked at a body shop. Well, now it has a for sale sign on it!
I'm tempted to go look at it, but between the money I've sunk into my '67 Catalina, and the money I sunk into the heat pump for the house, not to mention what the economy's been doing, I'm a little on the broke side right now! :sick:
I'm waiting for Collectible Automobile to do an article on the R-body. I bet there's an interesting story behind it.
I think the R-body was initially supposed to be dumped after 1980, but it survived for a short 1981 run, due to demand by police and taxi buyers, and I think the Newport was popular as a rental car. And since the NYer and 5th Ave were just fluffed-up versions, but virtually identical, it was probably profitable to keep them around, even with limited sales.
I've heard that assembly line workers joked that they were going to take the next-to-the-last R-body off the line and bust it up with sledge hammers. Dunno if they actually went through with that, though. Or what happened to the last one off the assembly line.
Incidentally, 1981 was supposed to be the last year for the M-body as well, but enough police and taxi and other fleet buyers protested, that Chrysler gave in and kept them going.
It's than kind of "faux-luxury" terminology that sort of eroded Cadillac's credibility I think. I mean, it's not a fancy horse carriage and it's not a 1930s Rolls limo done in silver plate and silk and leather and walnut. It's a mass-produced car from Detroit. Let it stand on its own merits. Who did Cadillac think they were fooling?
Wait a minute, Lemko had a FOMOCO product????
This might come as a shock to you, but he actually had TWO! He had a Crown Vic at one time, too! Heck, he even had a Mopar once! :surprise:
You just never know about people's dark side, do you?
It happens to every guy sometimes...
Ted Knight's character's grandson pukes through the open sunroof of a car, outside the country club..
Anyone remember what make/model?
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