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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Wow, that's crazy. But not something that would have been restored unless it was in the UK or Europe, so why not...looks well done and is apparently street legal. There are worse ways to get your freak on, and someone else gets to absorb the loss.

    Saw a couple of odd malaise era MBs today - a 380SLC,which I think in the US was model year 1981 only with few sold, and a small bumper W116 450SE in pristine condition - maybe the best 116 to have as it looks better with the bumpers and has less emissions crap, I think it would be model year 1973 only. Also saw an early Alfa Spider - glass light covers, boattail.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,617
    Dodge Shelby Rampage...

    I knew they Shelby-ized the rest of that model, but didn't know the Rampage came that way..

    This one was red and silver.... in very nice condition with historic plates..

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  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    My friend dropped by in his Isuzu Rodeo Sport. That's right, the rare two door hardtop model, not to be confused with the Amigo. Kind of a crappy car, really.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I remember a kid in high school drove his mother's teal-ish Amigo to school sometimes - the girls LOVED that thing. Ugh. Those were bad. A friend of mine in college had an almost new Rodeo around 1997, lots of problems.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited May 2012
    Today I am off, and took the fintail out as it has been several weeks. I stopped by a very well regarded detail shop (listed among the best in the country in DuPont Registry, same place I spotted that 959) to see if the paint can ever be polished up to a higher level - the proprietor said how it is will be about as good as it gets, it's pretty dead. But it's still a good 10 footer I guess:

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    And sitting in the shop was something special, an obviously restored 6.3. I can tell someone sunk a pretty penny into this:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    This morning saw the mean sounding 72 T-Bird in very nice condition that drives by now and then. Also a ~1990 240SX convertible and what has to be the same pearl white Audi 5000 wagon I see now and then.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    For a lousy 21,000, that Borgward could be yours!

    Talk about unique! You should go for it!!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Sounds like you went to Bradley's?

    I would leave it alone. That is one nice looking car you have!

    I think I've seen it around Bellevue a couple of times.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    edited May 2012
    I agree...I think that Fintail's fintail looks fine, just the way it is.

    Oh, and on the subject of old blue beasts, I got my '79 New Yorker started last week. First time this year. :blush: I was feeling particularly adventurous, and drove it to work today. It only stalled once, and that was in the driveway.

    I get off work in about two minutes. Guess I'll find out in a moment, whether my commute home is going to be 10 minutes or 40!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Not really my thing.

    I'd go more for THIS TYPE OF ROD
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Oh MAN! What a sleeper!!

    Can you even imagine how fast that Hillman must be? I would hate to get into any kind of an accident with that tin box but WOW, what a blast that would be!

    There is a restored (stock) Hillman convertable that I see around here once in awhile of about the same vintage and I think it is so cool.

    The guy talked about the 350 engine being "new" as opposed to a "crate" engine. I always thought they were the same thing?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Hey Andre,

    I realize this may be a sensitive subect so feel free to not answer but whatever happened to your De Soto? The last time I remember it was undergoing a fairly extensive restoration.

    Just curious if it isn't a painful subject.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Wow, that's extremely cool and looks very well done. I like resto rods like that, almost bone stock looks, but under the hood, it's a different world.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited May 2012
    I had it looked at once there, but yesterday I visited Metropolitan Detail. By all appearance and reviews it is a very high end place. I had an estimate made for the E55 to have what I call a paint restoration - the 10 years of fine scratches and related issues resolved (most people can't see these and wax hides them temporarily), expensive, but it might keep me from buying a new car anytime soon. Some of the cars I have seen hanging around there give me a good vibe.

    If you see a blue fintail, it's probably me. I am not aware of any others in the area. It's a great 10 footer, and the patina becomes evident up close. I am not going to worry too much about cosmetic issues - the car has too many mechanical maintenance issues to tend to. Right now I am looking at the cooling issue, tires and brakes from the Clinton administration, probable replacement of some suspension stuff (bushings etc), and the doozie - an eventual valve job.

    Have you seen the dark green and white 72 T-Bird that drives around downtown Bellevue? It's amazingly nice and makes a pretty brutal noise for a car with those looks.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I realize this may be a sensitive subect so feel free to not answer but whatever happened to your De Soto? The last time I remember it was undergoing a fairly extensive restoration.

    Unfortunately, my DeSoto is still in multiple pieces, up on a lift, in that guy's shop. Keeps saying he'll get to it "soon", but something keeps coming up. At this point, I don't think he's done anything with it in about a year and a half, other than move it from one side of his shop to another. But, on the plus side, I haven't had to pay him for anything in about a year and a half, either!

    I'm almost tempted to tell him to just get it to the point that it can roll, and have it towed somewhere else to get everything finished. But, there aren't exactly an abundance of shops out there who have the know-how, or the willingness, to put a '57 DeSoto back together!

    I'm also in a bit of a mood right now, because I've been stood up,one time too many, by a contractor who was supposed to do a lot of work on my house and garage. Hell, I wonder if the contractor and mechanic are related!

    Oh, on the plus side, the New Yorker started up, albeit on the 4th try. It was sort of a click...click...click...VROOOOMMMM!!! So, I'm guessing the starter is starting to go. And, it made it home without stalling.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    It could be the battery was weak. I'm guessing you don't have a trickle charger on it.
    My Mustang with an 80 month old 100 month battery in it needed a jump to get going, but it's been good since then.
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Nah, I don't think it's the battery, because I pulled the battery out of my '79 5th Ave! And it's always done fine in that car. I think the starter just has a bad spot on it. Or maybe the flywheel? Or, a connection somewhere could be iffy?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    saw a couple of "classics" that looked pretty original. A 75ish Olds 2 door Cutlass (when they were still big). Black, looked in OK shape. and later in the parking lot of a Mcdonalds, a 75-77 Camaro (wrap around rear window and smooth slant nose). Period "hopped up" I think, but it was dark and I only was the back clearly.

    Made me think I was back in HS.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Now that I think about it, today on the way home from work I saw a '79-85 Eldorado. I was stopped at the traffic light waiting to turn left onto the main road, and it was stopped, waiting to make a u-turn. It was a tan color with a white vinyl top. Looked fairly good, except for a crimped grille and bent bumper, so it got into a tangle at some point in its life.

    But, when I saw it do the u-turn, I saw that the passenger side was white! And looked like it had been painted with a brush or roller!

    As it made the u-turn, the driver looked over at me, and seemed to do a double-take. Maybe a bit surprised to see my similar-vintage New Yorker?
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Maybe a bit surprised to see my similar-vintage New Yorker?

    I couldn't tell you the last time I saw one of your style New Yorker/5th Aves on the road here. Heck even the later style (the one that went on till 89) used to be plentiful and I don't even see those anymore.

    I still think the most common car older car (late 70s-80s) is the Panther platform models. I see at least one a day (not counting the 85ish Vic on my block).

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Tehre are a lot of flakes out there in restoration shops I've found and the people that work on houses can be the same way.

    It's hard to find someone who will show up on time and perform as promised. I guess I was brought up differently.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    It's hard to find someone who will show up on time and perform as promised. I guess I was brought up differently.

    Yeah, this guy, who has done some minor work for me in the past, as well as some major work for my grandmother's cousin, has already dogged me twice this week.

    First, he was supposed to meet me at 4:30 on Tuesday. No show, so I called him around 5:15. He said he was finishing up a hot water heater job, and would call me when he was done. Needless to say, he didn't.

    So, we rescheduled for Wednesday, 5:00. I told him I'd call him when I got home so he'd know I was there. Called at 4:30. He said he was doing a brake job on his plumber's truck, so we planned on 7:00. 7 comes and goes, and I knew he wasn't showing up, so around 8:30 or so I went out for a walk. Got back around 9:20, and roommate said he'd called around 9. I tried calling back but got voicemail.

    So, I tried again this morning, and we're shooting for 5:00 this afternoon. But, the guy says he has another hot water heater job, this one in DC. So, I'm anticipating something's going to go wrong.

    I really should try to find someone else, but this guy's prices are really reasonable. He did a 12x16 bedroom addition for my grandmother's cousin for $17,000, and around here that's cheap!

    Oh, as for the mechanic who's working on the DeSoto? Well, he lost a lot of credibility with me a couple years ago, when I had a lot of work done on my '79 New Yorker. The car had been stalling out alot, refusing to re-start, and had a habit of leaving me stranded at work. It would always start up fine in the morning, but then when it was time to go home it usually wouldn't.

    Well, when the car was finished, I asked him if he'd thought it would make it safely to the Mopar show in Carlisle, about 125 miles away. He said he wouldn't hesitate to drive that car ANYWHERE! Well, it took about 2-3 times to start it, then it stalled out when I put it in gear. Finally got it going, and right around the corner from his shop, it cut out and refused to re-start. I called him, and he came out, fiddled with it, and then said something along the lines of "At this point, I don't know what else to do. I just don't know." That didn't give me a lot of confidence. And then, almost as if to make the guy look like an idiot, the next time I turned the key, it fired right up.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    edited May 2012
    It's hard to find someone who will show up on time and perform as promised. I guess I was brought up differently.

    Man, no kidding. Three weeks ago I called an area guy who has offered to work on old cars during our regional club meet. He said, "I'll call you week after next". That would have been last week...not this past week. I'm going to call him again this evening. He's sort-of cranky although supposedly does good work reasonably so I don't want to irritate him. Sheesh, I'm the customer and I'm intimidated by the guy I'm going to pay! LOL

    Similarly, my wife wanted new outside lights put up around our house. I called a local electrician twice...never returned my call. A guy who painted our shutters this year said he'd do them "this week". That was about three weeks ago. I called him a week ago. He said "I'll do them this week". To his credit, he did show up today unannounced and did the job.

    The CEO of a company I worked for 15 years ago told us, "Return a phone call the same day, always, even if just to say you don't have an answer yet but are working on it." I disliked the guy but agree with that philosophy. Another boss, not very well-liked in general, used to say, "Bad news doesn't get better with age. Let me know when something's going not well." I always liked and agreed with that and try and do that.
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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    " He's sort of cranky"

    WARNING: the guy sounds like a Prima Donna and you don't want him near your car! When something go's wrong you will have a hell of a time gettinghim to fix it.

    In the suto repair business, there ae a lot of flakes and a lot of Prima Donnas and they are to be avoided. They usually aren't that good at what they do anyway.

    The majority are friendly, approachable and honest. I won't work with flakes or Prima Donnas. I know better!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Saw a maybe 75-76 big Buick clamshell wagon today, on Buick rally wheels, looked to be in nice condition. Also an early 80s 900 Turbo and a mint showroom looking ~91 Accord SE.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I saw a smaller beige-colored A-body 1977 Buick Century wagon the other day that appeared to be in pretty decent condition.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    If that Accord was an SE it was either dark green or beige. Those wre the last year of that design and remain very desirable today. They had leather, upgraded sound systems, special wheels and the first passenger side airbags.

    If you can find a nice one that isn't all miled up, it will bring amazing money. Well over what any books say.

    Those were 1993's.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2012
    Those had 5 spoke wheels right?

    I had a brain fart, I must have seen an EX, with the flat style wheels. I am pretty sure it was a medium/dark grey. It had leather though, and was amazingly nice.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,951
    Dark Brown Pinto in amazing shape. By the sound of it, they had some sort of small block conversion. Interesting piece.

    Nice driver quality 66ish Mustang keeping up with traffic on the Jersey turnpike.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    No, not five spoke.

    If it had leather it was installed aftermarket. A lot were for those customers who just HAD to have leather.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited June 2012
    I was thinking of these wheels, as seen on a what must be uncommon "10th anniversary" model from 1993:

    image

    The one I saw had these, I think:

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    Look at those thin pillars and that tall greenhouse/low beltline. How things changed.

    I see the SE had different wheels than either:

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    The top photo is a 10 Anniversary model. The middel one is an EX coupe with non factory wheels and the bottom one is, sure enough a 1993 Special Edition.

    People who bought those SE's new cold have driven then ten years and sold them for a not a lot more than they paid.

    If you can find a 1996-2000 Civic Hatchback with automatic and A/C with low mileage you will have hit the jackpot!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    fat chance--they're all either modified (usually grotesquely) or very high miles.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    I think Honda hit its high-water mark around 1990 or so, give or take a couple of years.

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...very ratty silver 1979 Buick Electra Limited with a black vinyly top in the parking lot of the Acme supermarket on Oxford Avenue between Fanshawe and Unruh in NE Philly. Wonder if it has a 403 V-8?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Funny thing, the coupe pic is from factory sales literature :P

    Friend of mine had a 92 Accord LX, mother bought it new and gifted it to him when he went to school (it had ~80K on it then), he ran it up to something like 220K, but maintained it by the book, and it looked like a car that had 50K miles on it. When he bought his Accord coupe, he put it up for sale for 3K, just a sign in a window parked on a lot, sold that day.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    on the green one, you can see the rust above the rear wheel, where the bumper meets the fender, which I think came directly from the factory. At this point, they all have it no matter where the car spent it's life!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Even here, eventually a lot of them came down with some of that rust. Gotta keep them garaged and clean.
  • jljacjljac Member Posts: 649
    edited June 2012
    Speaking of rust, I heard that cars which have an electrical system with a positive ground rust less than cars which have a negative ground. I heard that in a discussion where it was claimed that 1957 Fords rusted more than 1956 Fords because the polarity was changed that year. It also seems that 1955 Studebakers with a negative ground rust less than later Studes with a positive ground.

    Does this rumor have any basis in fact?

    One time a mechanic connected my battery incorrectly assuming that it had a negative ground and my ammeter and fuel gauge worked in the opposite directions. I suddenly had a full tank of gas and the the ammeter showed a discharge when the engine speed increased.

    I was thinking that this might be a good way to charge the battery when the engine is idling and the headlights lights are on and I could also save money on gas because the gas gauge says "full" when the tank is empty, but I never tried it because the temperature gauge says that the engine is overheating. :shades:
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    By coincidence I saw two 1960s era Triumph TR4s in two days, one sighting just a few blocks from the other. The first appeared to be restored with nice British Green paint and a new top with clear perspex windows.

    The second was a little rougher in white with no top.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,617
    Went to a local Cars and Coffee gathering this morning... Lots of bikes, but some very interesting cars...

    Triumph TR-5

    Alfa 1750.. completely restored... roll cage, race seats.. no bumpers.. beautiful..

    VW pickup... stanced and slammed..

    A whole passel of 911s... from a ducktail, all the way up to a 911 GT3 RS....

    Nice early 240Z

    The Alfa was the pick of the litter...

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't know if there is any significance to this, but my fintail, which doesn't have much rust, has a couple little spots that are hard to see. Virtually all of it is on the driver's side, which is the same side where the battery sits. I've always thought there must be a link, somehow.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I'm not sure what you mean by "high water mark" because Hondas only continued to improve from that point. the 1990-1993's do have theri fans who consider them the "best" Accords ever made but the 94-97's have a similar group of fans.

    Back in those days, Honda didn't have much competition. The domestics were still building a lot of second rate cars that a lot of people didn't want. the Koreans were building junk. For those dollars only Toyota and maybe Nissan were worthy competitiors.

    But things changed and now Honda finds themself surrounded by some pretty strong competition. The domestics are doing a MUCH better job of building quality cars that appeal to more people and the Koreans have made massive strides.

    I'll still take a Honda over anything else for bulletproof reliability and for engines that are second to none. They can't however, rest on their laurels and I hope they are aware tht loyality can be a fleeting thig.

    I do like ther recent commercials!
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    If you look at what Honda was selling in 1990, that year's Accord, Civic, CRX and Prelude would IMO not be equaled by anything that followed. The next-gen Civic wasn't as good as the 1990 one and the Accord became somewhat anonymous and chunky, while the Prelude turned into a boulevardier. The thing about the cars they sold in 1990 that all had in common: they all had a low cowl, plenty of glass, and a light, airy, clean design. All nice cars that they have never been able to duplicate.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited June 2012
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I have to disagree with you. the 1992-1995 Civics were certainly an improvement over the older boxy design in a number of ways. The 1994-1997 Accords can hardly be called "chunky" in fact a lot of people couldn't wait for the 1998's to come out thinking the others were too small inside.

    I do agree with you on the Preludes. I never cared for the 1992-1996's. I always thought I was sitting in a bucket. The 1997's were so much nicer in so many ways but by that time, that market had died and they never sold well.

    Find me a nice 1991 SI Prelude and I would be all over it!

    Again, so much is subjective. Every time a new model would be introduced I would hear the mixed comments....

    " Oh, it's so much nicer"

    Or..." Oh MAN...why did Honda mess up a good thing?"

    Just like with colors...

    " Oh YUCK..what a crappy color...WHAT was Honda THINKING?"

    or...

    " Oh, honey, look at that BEAUTIFUL color!"

    After awhile, I just tuned all of that out.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    I've always read that the early 90s generation were the most over engineered. Almost quality for qualities sake, and well above it's price point. Subsequent generations sot of "dumbed down" and scaled back on the engineering. Still good, but not what they used to be. Price cutting coming into play.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,347
    first was out front of a gas station. an older kit car, which I think was a Bradley GT.

    and out front of a store, a '71 Mustang with a for-sale sign, so of course I stopped to look. Black fastback, but not in particularly good shape body wise. And from the description in the window, seemed like a rat that would bleed you dry. Lot's of references about what the prior owner may or may have done, so most likely the current owner bought it, found out how deep he was in for, and wanted to bail!

    former 302 car with a worked 460 jammed in, needed electrical work along with the body work, and quite a bit of other stuff. And the owner was actually asking $4,600!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I just think the 90-93 Accord was the best styled of the bunch. Not Buick-big like a new one or 80s kitsch like the one that came before. It's aged amazingly well too, and admittedly the 2 generations that replaced it also looked nice.

    I do agree the 92 Civic was an improvement.

    I knew a girl (doctor's daughter, of course) in high school who had a ~90 Prelude Si, and it was 4WS as well. Another girl I knew would drive her mother's 92 Prelude Si 4WS to school sometimes. I lived in a small town, so these were considered to be VERY nice cars, especially for a kid to be allowed to drive.

    Odd sighting today - Audo GT coupe. Couldn't tell if it was a Quattro or not, red, looked in very good condition from a distance. Also a 75-79 Seville
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,617
    Friends of mine were sure their next new car was going to be the Camry (in '91).. When the new model came out in '92, it was a full size step up from the old one, and they bought the new Civic, instead...

    They just sold it, last month... :)

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    The 1994-1997 Accords can hardly be called "chunky" in fact a lot of people couldn't wait for the 1998's to come out thinking the others were too small inside.

    It was the proportioning. The '90-93 had a longer, lower, sleeker look to it. The '94-97 was about 3" wider. Wheelbase was only slightly shorter (106.9" versus 107.1") and length was only about an inch shorter (~184" versus 185), but the added width, and the styling in general just made it look fatter. I think the 1994 Accord is what re-introduced us to that look that today is referred to as the Bangle-Butt, where the rear quarters flare out a bit, and the decklid is tapered in some, harking back to the early 50's, when cars were still trying to shake off the bolt-on fender look.

    Chrysler followed that look in 1995 with the Stratus/Cirrus sedans, and soon Hyundai started doing it, and nowadays it seems a common occurrence.

    I remember one or two of the buff rags (C&D or MT or the like) saying that with the 1994 Accord, Honda seemed to be doing "change for the sake of change", rather than for actual improvement. Basically, what the domestics had been doing for ages...changing the style to make people want to buy the new product, but not necessarily offering anything better.

    Still, I'm sure the '94-97 was an improvement, in many ways. I still see plenty of them around. The '90-93, not so much anymore.

    When the '98 came out, I remember a lot of people griping about it being "too big", "losing its identity", and so on. Same for the '03. Wash, rinse, and repeat for 2008.

    But, that kind of stuff has been going on for ages. A lot of people griped in 1957 when the Ford and Plymouth got bigger, even though those cars sold very well (and technically, the '57 Plymouth was 2" shorter overall, because the '56 had more protruding bumpers), and then griped when Chevy followed suit for 1958. And, there was enough of a backlash, that a few years later we got intermediates. Cars that were essentially what a '55 Chevy, Ford, or Plymouth had been, but wrapped in new packaging and marketed as a whole new niche.

    Yet, bigger and bigger remained the trend for the next 20 years, and then was only temporarily reversed because of a couple of fuel crises and gov't intervention. But, in the 80's, as things eased up, cars started getting bigger again. Subcompacts grew into compacts, compacts into intermediates, and so on. And even though the old-school big cars ultimately died out, it took about 30 years, trucks and SUVs pretty much took their place.

    I'm sure that, no matter what Honda does (or anybody for that matter), there will be dissenters.
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