I didn't really care for those last few years of the "flying brick" Crown Vic and Grand Marquis when they were new, but now I kinda like them. Every once in awhile I'll see a nice one for sale at one of the Carlisle PA swap meets. For some reason, they're always gray or silver.
I had an 89 grand marquis, so I'm partial to the 88-91 (I knew the one I saw wasn't a 91 since the turn signals weren't clear). Most people into these cars are most fond on 86 and 87 as they were SEFI rather than CFI (throttle body injection) but we're more squared off.
And yes the box Vics that were police spec are largely gone.
Finally met the neighbor on the corner with the blue Mach 1. Didn't get all the details but it's a '72. I've never seen her drive it but didn't ask her why it's a garage queen.
Sometimes I toy with the idea of getting a Panther when it comes time to replace my Park Avenue. But, considering even the most recent of those are going on 5 model years old now, I guess I need to get with the times and start thinking newer.
It's scary how fast the time goes by. My one friend, who's had three Panthers in a row, last bought an '09 Grand Marquis Ultimate with about 54,000 miles on it, back in the summer of 2012. Doesn't seem that long ago, but I was chatting with him the other day, and he's up to around 120,000 now. And suddenly a car that didn't seem "that" old is now seven model years old!
Still, Panthers are pretty rugged and durable, and fairly cheap when they do break. So, one that's a few years older might still be a better long-term bet than something newer, like a slightly used Impala or Charger.
My 04 has been a good car. The biggest thing has been some HVAC issues, and that's common amongst all 03+. I wouldn't mind a last year Town Car, but the Vics were really stripped down by the end.
Here in CT, the state police still have mainly those darkish silver Vics. Local police still have some, but have most switched over to the Explorer/Taurus based police cruisers.
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My 04 has been a good car. The biggest thing has been some HVAC issues, and that's common amongst all 03+. I wouldn't mind a last year Town Car, but the Vics were really stripped down by the end.
Before the '09, my friend had an '04 Crown Vic LX that he had bought back in June of '04, from CarMax, with just under 10,000 miles on it. He originally wanted an '03 Grand Marquis GS that had about 10,000 more miles, was about $1K more ($17.9K versus 16.9K IIRC), and wasn't equipped as well (cloth rather than leather seats). I talked him into the Crown Vic.
It was still running well around the 230K mark, but the HVAC started acting up. It would blow air nice and cold, but would shut off at random, and then turn back on at random. Seemed like a minor issue to me, but the dealer he took it to said it was a $1000+ repair. So, he bit the bullet and traded.
I was a bit miffed at first, because CarMax only gave him $300 in trade. I told him I would've given him that for it! Heck, even a little more! He pulled the routine of not wanting to do business with a friend, because he'd feel guilty if something broke on it, but I figured hell, for $300 it was more than worth it! I wouldn't have replaced my Park Ave with it, but I think it would've made for a nice emergency/spare car.
As for the cheapening, my friend noticed that, as well. He had also found a 2011 Grand Marquis LS (I think...I don't believe they had an "Ultimate" by that year), with lower miles, and not much more $, but he didn't like the way it felt so strippo. And even his Ultimate really doesn't live up to that adjective, IMO.
Sadly, even the Town Cars in more recent years have seemed a bit Spartan. The interiors to me think of taxi cab that just happened to have leather seats put in. But still, I wouldn't mind having one.
Oh, a couple weeks ago I had to call the cops, because someone local was firing off a gun in the neighborhood. I didn't feel in danger, but didn't want it to persist, and risk getting offed while I'm cutting the grass, or having a stray bullet come through the wall. Two cops showed up, one in a newer Taurus, and the other in a Crown Vic. I remember the cop pulling out his metal clip board and setting it down on the hood of the Crown Vic and I cringed a bit and said something like "ooh, don't do that, you're gonna scratch up the paint!"
He just replied with something like "The paint, on this thing? And then went to pick at a spot where it was peeling. I thought that was a bit sad, actually. Once upon a time, a police car was considered part of the uniform, and you did your best to keep it in tip-top shape.
Our county still has a pretty good supply of Crown Vics, and some '06-13 Impalas, but the Tauruses and Explorers are taking over.
Ford had a problem with white.... they peel. My 04 lost most of the paint on the hood back in 2010 or so when my grandfather had the car. Had a local shop strip and repait it for 500 bucks
Today a very clean Celebrity wagon, that Concord with the hipster mustache decal on the trunk, a nice likely restored 65 Mustang, and a mid 70s Century sedan in decent condition.
I've got to think that new Taurus is kind of cramped inside for a police officer and all of their gear. Of course, the criminals they arrest get plenty of backseat legroom though
Finally met the neighbor on the corner with the blue Mach 1. Didn't get all the details but it's a '72. I've never seen her drive it but didn't ask her why it's a garage queen.
Finally met the neighbor on the corner with the blue Mach 1. Didn't get all the details but it's a '72. I've never seen her drive it but didn't ask her why it's a garage queen.
'72 wasn't much worse than '71. 1972 is when they changed from "gross" to "net" on horsepower ratings.. 365 HP became 220 HP, just like magic..
I think the kicker for '72 is that the big block was no longer offered, at least according to my old car book. For '71 it shows a 250-6cyl, 302, 351s ranging from 240-330 hp, and a 429 with 370 hp at the top.
For 1972, there's just a 99 hp 250, 141 hp 302, and 351 with 177 or 275 hp. But, that 275 hp version must have been pretty impressive for the time. For comparison, the Chevy 454 had 270 hp, and that was the best you could get in a Corvette.
I'd imagine that 275 hp version was pretty rare though. And for '73 the bottom really dropped out, when the 351 only offered 154-156 hp.
A lot of those gross-to-net conversions were simply a paper loss, so it was mostly psychological. But, I heard that GM, at least, cut compression ratios at the same time, so there was a little bit of true loss at the same time. Chrysler, I believe, did not cut compression ratios, so the 1972 versus 1971 numbers were simply a paper loss. I'm not sure what Ford did, though.
I was going to post this convertible in Project cars but it's pretty obscure too. Seller states, "The car was supposed to be built the Shrock Brothers in 1959 according to the individual I purchased it from..." I have no idea what it's worth but I wish the seller had posted better pics and dug a little more history.
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Seems well worth it for a custom BUT...you'd want it on a rack and inspected carefully for the soundness of the construction underneath. Also a test drive would be good. Chopped vehicles can be foul-handling death traps. Of course, if you're trailering to shows, maybe not such a big deal.
I was going to post this convertible in Project cars but it's pretty obscure too. Seller states, "The car was supposed to be built the Shrock Brothers in 1959 according to the individual I purchased it from..." I have no idea what it's worth but I wish the seller had posted better pics and dug a little more history.
Don't think I've ever seen that shade of green before. Not earl Schieb or Maaco is it? I remember back in the 60's Caddy and Buick had this really nice looking deep forest green like color which would look nice on that convertible. Actually, I think it would look good in British racing green despite its size.
I love that green with the white interior, but I can't say I remember that color as a factory shade. I'll have to look online a bit further. Thanks for posting!
Even our little dealer delivered a firethorn-red one new to the eye/ear/throat doctor in town. His daughter was in my high-school class. Less than ten years ago, I was back in town and saw a weathered firethorn Eldo convert, top down, pull up to a red light opposite me. It was the Doc driving. I was happy to see he still owned it. He had traded an ice blue '71 Eldo convert for it. He has since passed and I wonder what happened to the car.
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It almost looks like that 1972 Radiant Green we were talkign about few weeks ago. But that isn't a '72.
I am curious about the front bumper on that Eldo. I never really paid any attention to them before, but that looks like it is very well integrated into the body, unlike most of the cow-catchers back then. I guess the entire bumper/grille assembly retracts, hence the long body fillers I see in the front fenders?
I think that '76 Eldorado might be called "Greenbriar Firemist", but I'm not positive. There were four different greens offered that year, and that one looks pretty close, when I've googled "Greenbriar Firemist Cadillac".
I looked at Greenbrier Firemist on color charts online, and yes it might be the monitor, but I'm thinking it wasn't exactly this bright of a green and maybe had a tinge of gray in there. I'm thinking the Eldo pictured above was painted in the 1972-73 GM green (called various names by the various divisions). I like it, but I value authenticity even more. Just me, your personal preference may vary!
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The car is at a dealer, now listed on their site, They call it "Greenbriar Firemist Metallic", and they want a predictably large sum for the car (I think their business model builds in room for heated negotiation).
The color doesn't quite make it with me either, too bad it's not a bit deeper, more BRG, or at least a little more like the Ford LTD green that graced some of the biggest LTDs. There were a lot of Ford "greens", but I'm thinking of the color that was on the '77 parked in the garage at our Michigan house when we moved in.
a real nice (looked brand new) 65 malibu SS convertible. Nice steel blue. I liked it.
and a bunch of depression era iron the last 2 days. Guy just outside my neighborhood must be cleaning house. He had a 51 Ford PU a month back he sold, and today had his Model A out, and I think showing it. Maybe the old guy died.
and driving around, some larger 20s-30s vintage sedan. Not a Ford. But could not see the badges. Looked real nice, and imposing
and today, on a 4 lane road zipping along, a rat rod. One of the square cab ones slammed onto the pavement, probably standing to about my waist. Don't know how people get in them! Looked just like some of the ones seen on TV out of LA. Similar to this one.
It's funny, those pics look far-less to my eyes like the '72-73 GM metallic color we've discussed before, than the first pic you posted.
My guess is that is indeed Greenbrier Firemist.
BTW...andre, did you make Hershey this year? I didn't, but I heard the weather was excellent. I thought of you as I was looking through Hemmings Motor News last night--don't have it handy, but a '57 (I think) and a '59 DeSoto convertible brought big, big money at a recent auction in Harrisburg--the '57 I think was $132K and the '59, a salmon color, brought in the nineties....more than a '61 300-G that sold there. Sounds like you're ahead of the curve!
Off-topic I know, but today I did a quick drive-through the nearest Chevy dealer to see if they had a '16 Malibu or '16 Cruze out. I didn't see any, but he had a red Corvette, looked like a 'lesser' model like I like--bright wheels instead of black, none of that tacked-on ground-effects stuff, and even had the solid top (I'd want the glass roof though). A red Corvette is such a cliche, but geez, it looked nice.
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Yeah, we made it to Hershey, and the weather was perfect! My friend drove his '78 Mark V Diamond Jubilee.
I guess at those prices, a DeSoto convertible is probably not in my immediate future!
Maybe a 74 Chrysler could be in your future? It was 40K+ miles < 50K. Can't remember what the fellow said. When I saw this, I thought of Andre! Fellow said it had been garaged. AND it's for sale. Sign in window--for sale!
Yeah, we made it to Hershey, and the weather was perfect! My friend drove his '78 Mark V Diamond Jubilee.
I guess at those prices, a DeSoto convertible is probably not in my immediate future!
So you basically "floated" to Hershey! I miss my 79 Town Coupe, someday I wouldn'the mind a Mark V.
For 79 they basically took the same car and turned it into the Collector's Series. The color schemes were better than the DJE. White/Blue, Navy Blue/Blue, and a scant handful of Silver/Blue. The DJE came in the pale blue/blue or a very 70s Gold/Gold. The CS didn't get the 460 though, 78 was the last year.
I guess at those prices, a DeSoto convertible is probably not in my immediate future!
It was the "Central Pennsylvania Auto Auction" of July 16-18. The $132K car was a '58 Spruce Green and Willow Green Firedome convertible that had won an AACA Grand National First in 2014. The '59 was a Bimini Coral Firedome convertible, which sold for $85K. Not too shabby!
Got my new "Automobile" mag the other day (a gift from a newbie in our local Stude club), and it shows selling at Sotheby's in Plymouth, MI, on 7/25/15, a 1971 M-B 280SE 3.5 coupe in Graubau Metallic over parchment leather with floor-shift automatic, for $121K!! I had no idea those cars were such in demand, although they comment that good ones can be found for much lower. Still, a '70's almost-anything bringing that kind of money is very impressive.
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Yep, roll-down rear windows were still standard on those big '74-78 C-body coupes. However, they were less common in later years, when those padded landau roofs became more popular. However, when you got the padded landau roof, Chrysler cheaped out in the way they built the car. They simply took out the rear cranks,or power window switches, on cars so equipped. Then, they built the landau roof padding and trim right around the window. All the internal stuff, like the lift mechanism and such, is still in there. Supposedly, on power window cars, they even left the window motors and wiring in there!
I haven't seen it in a year or two, but there used to be one of these cars that would show up at the Mopar show in Carlisle fairly regularly, and the owner had wired up the rear windows to get them running again. So, while it had the landau trim around it, the window would still go up and down.
I imagine that building the cars this way would make them somewhat prone to water leaks?
I think Chrysler was the last domestic auto maker to offer a true hardtop, as you could get the Newport/New Yorker in 2- and 4-door hardtops through 1978. The Dart/Valiant hardtops were offered through 1976, and I think the last year for the midsized hardtop coupes was 1974. The '75-78 models had the look of a hardtop coupe, with no B-pillar unless you went for that opera window treatment, but I'm pretty sure all the windows were stationary. I've seen factory photos of them where it looks like the window is rolled down, but I have a feeling they just took the glass out.
What was the last year Ford offered a hardtop? I think 1974 was the last year for a 4-door hardtop version of the Marquis/LTD, and they're actually hard to spot, because the pillared models had frameless windows. And while the Marquis coupe didn't have a B-pillar, but I think eventually, they started making that rear window stationary. I think the LTD lost its hardtop coupe after 1974.
In the comments someone who is usually pretty knowledgeable claims one of them is simply an auction queen, living out its life by going on the block every so often.
A concours Mercedes 280SL would exceed 120K easily these days.
Of course, there's a big difference between #1 and #3+ cars. The level of fanaticism that goes into making a factory-correct concours car is pretty staggering....right down to the hose clamps, the color of the grommets on the windshield washer bag, and whether the bolts holding the fan shroud are plated or painted. Sometimes trophies are won or lost depending on whether a factory part or an exact reproduction is used. The reproduction part might cost only a few hundred dollars. The new/old stock factory part might cost $4000.
I guess at those prices, a DeSoto convertible is probably not in my immediate future!
It was the "Central Pennsylvania Auto Auction" of July 16-18. The $132K car was a '58 Spruce Green and Willow Green Firedome convertible that had won an AACA Grand National First in 2014. The '59 was a Bimini Coral Firedome convertible, which sold for $85K. Not too shabby!
Got my new "Automobile" mag the other day (a gift from a newbie in our local Stude club), and it shows selling at Sotheby's in Plymouth, MI, on 7/25/15, a 1971 M-B 280SE 3.5 coupe in Graubau Metallic over parchment leather with floor-shift automatic, for $121K!! I had no idea those cars were such in demand, although they comment that good ones can be found for much lower. Still, a '70's almost-anything bringing that kind of money is very impressive.
I always thought many of those 70's Chrysler and full sized Dodge cars looked better as 4 doors. Actually, I guess I could say the same for the big mid 70's Ford as well. The two doors just looked short for the body, but maybe part of that was the smaller rear window styling on them?
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And yes the box Vics that were police spec are largely gone.
@Stickguy, don't knock it till you try it... lol.
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It's scary how fast the time goes by. My one friend, who's had three Panthers in a row, last bought an '09 Grand Marquis Ultimate with about 54,000 miles on it, back in the summer of 2012. Doesn't seem that long ago, but I was chatting with him the other day, and he's up to around 120,000 now. And suddenly a car that didn't seem "that" old is now seven model years old!
Still, Panthers are pretty rugged and durable, and fairly cheap when they do break. So, one that's a few years older might still be a better long-term bet than something newer, like a slightly used Impala or Charger.
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It was still running well around the 230K mark, but the HVAC started acting up. It would blow air nice and cold, but would shut off at random, and then turn back on at random. Seemed like a minor issue to me, but the dealer he took it to said it was a $1000+ repair. So, he bit the bullet and traded.
I was a bit miffed at first, because CarMax only gave him $300 in trade. I told him I would've given him that for it! Heck, even a little more! He pulled the routine of not wanting to do business with a friend, because he'd feel guilty if something broke on it, but I figured hell, for $300 it was more than worth it! I wouldn't have replaced my Park Ave with it, but I think it would've made for a nice emergency/spare car.
As for the cheapening, my friend noticed that, as well. He had also found a 2011 Grand Marquis LS (I think...I don't believe they had an "Ultimate" by that year), with lower miles, and not much more $, but he didn't like the way it felt so strippo. And even his Ultimate really doesn't live up to that adjective, IMO.
Sadly, even the Town Cars in more recent years have seemed a bit Spartan. The interiors to me think of taxi cab that just happened to have leather seats put in. But still, I wouldn't mind having one.
He just replied with something like "The paint, on this thing? And then went to pick at a spot where it was peeling. I thought that was a bit sad, actually. Once upon a time, a police car was considered part of the uniform, and you did your best to keep it in tip-top shape.
Our county still has a pretty good supply of Crown Vics, and some '06-13 Impalas, but the Tauruses and Explorers are taking over.
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For 1972, there's just a 99 hp 250, 141 hp 302, and 351 with 177 or 275 hp. But, that 275 hp version must have been pretty impressive for the time. For comparison, the Chevy 454 had 270 hp, and that was the best you could get in a Corvette.
I'd imagine that 275 hp version was pretty rare though. And for '73 the bottom really dropped out, when the 351 only offered 154-156 hp.
A lot of those gross-to-net conversions were simply a paper loss, so it was mostly psychological. But, I heard that GM, at least, cut compression ratios at the same time, so there was a little bit of true loss at the same time. Chrysler, I believe, did not cut compression ratios, so the 1972 versus 1971 numbers were simply a paper loss. I'm not sure what Ford did, though.
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Also saw the kind of weird purple 60 Ford that the car hoarder in my neighborhood brings out now and then.
Even our little dealer delivered a firethorn-red one new to the eye/ear/throat doctor in town. His daughter was in my high-school class. Less than ten years ago, I was back in town and saw a weathered firethorn Eldo convert, top down, pull up to a red light opposite me. It was the Doc driving. I was happy to see he still owned it. He had traded an ice blue '71 Eldo convert for it. He has since passed and I wonder what happened to the car.
I am curious about the front bumper on that Eldo. I never really paid any attention to them before, but that looks like it is very well integrated into the body, unlike most of the cow-catchers back then. I guess the entire bumper/grille assembly retracts, hence the long body fillers I see in the front fenders?
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Here's the car, claimed 1542 miles
The Caddy looks better with the top up.
and a bunch of depression era iron the last 2 days. Guy just outside my neighborhood must be cleaning house. He had a 51 Ford PU a month back he sold, and today had his Model A out, and I think showing it. Maybe the old guy died.
and driving around, some larger 20s-30s vintage sedan. Not a Ford. But could not see the badges. Looked real nice, and imposing
and today, on a 4 lane road zipping along, a rat rod. One of the square cab ones slammed onto the pavement, probably standing to about my waist. Don't know how people get in them! Looked just like some of the ones seen on TV out of LA. Similar to this one.
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It's funny, those pics look far-less to my eyes like the '72-73 GM metallic color we've discussed before, than the first pic you posted.
My guess is that is indeed Greenbrier Firemist.
BTW...andre, did you make Hershey this year? I didn't, but I heard the weather was excellent. I thought of you as I was looking through Hemmings Motor News last night--don't have it handy, but a '57 (I think) and a '59 DeSoto convertible brought big, big money at a recent auction in Harrisburg--the '57 I think was $132K and the '59, a salmon color, brought in the nineties....more than a '61 300-G that sold there. Sounds like you're ahead of the curve!
Off-topic I know, but today I did a quick drive-through the nearest Chevy dealer to see if they had a '16 Malibu or '16 Cruze out. I didn't see any, but he had a red Corvette, looked like a 'lesser' model like I like--bright wheels instead of black, none of that tacked-on ground-effects stuff, and even had the solid top (I'd want the glass roof though). A red Corvette is such a cliche, but geez, it looked nice.
I guess at those prices, a DeSoto convertible is probably not in my immediate future!
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It was the "Central Pennsylvania Auto Auction" of July 16-18. The $132K car was a '58 Spruce Green and Willow Green Firedome convertible that had won an AACA Grand National First in 2014. The '59 was a Bimini Coral Firedome convertible, which sold for $85K. Not too shabby!
Got my new "Automobile" mag the other day (a gift from a newbie in our local Stude club), and it shows selling at Sotheby's in Plymouth, MI, on 7/25/15, a 1971 M-B 280SE 3.5 coupe in Graubau Metallic over parchment leather with floor-shift automatic, for $121K!! I had no idea those cars were such in demand, although they comment that good ones can be found for much lower. Still, a '70's almost-anything bringing that kind of money is very impressive.
I haven't seen it in a year or two, but there used to be one of these cars that would show up at the Mopar show in Carlisle fairly regularly, and the owner had wired up the rear windows to get them running again. So, while it had the landau trim around it, the window would still go up and down.
I imagine that building the cars this way would make them somewhat prone to water leaks?
I think Chrysler was the last domestic auto maker to offer a true hardtop, as you could get the Newport/New Yorker in 2- and 4-door hardtops through 1978. The Dart/Valiant hardtops were offered through 1976, and I think the last year for the midsized hardtop coupes was 1974. The '75-78 models had the look of a hardtop coupe, with no B-pillar unless you went for that opera window treatment, but I'm pretty sure all the windows were stationary. I've seen factory photos of them where it looks like the window is rolled down, but I have a feeling they just took the glass out.
What was the last year Ford offered a hardtop? I think 1974 was the last year for a 4-door hardtop version of the Marquis/LTD, and they're actually hard to spot, because the pillared models had frameless windows. And while the Marquis coupe didn't have a B-pillar, but I think eventually, they started making that rear window stationary. I think the LTD lost its hardtop coupe after 1974.
More 1950s DeSoto convertibles coming up for auction soon:
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/10/27/a-complete-set-of-de-soto-adventurer-convertibles-heads-to-auction-in-scottsdale/
In the comments someone who is usually pretty knowledgeable claims one of them is simply an auction queen, living out its life by going on the block every so often.
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Of course, there's a big difference between #1 and #3+ cars. The level of fanaticism that goes into making a factory-correct concours car is pretty staggering....right down to the hose clamps, the color of the grommets on the windshield washer bag, and whether the bolts holding the fan shroud are plated or painted. Sometimes trophies are won or lost depending on whether a factory part or an exact reproduction is used. The reproduction part might cost only a few hundred dollars. The new/old stock factory part might cost $4000.
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