2013 and earlier-Honda Pilot Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • jjk20jjk20 Member Posts: 13
    I have negotiated a lease on an '08 Pilot Value Package 4WD

    36 mo.
    12k mi.
    0 down (nothing out of pocket, just sign & drive-off)

    $334. + tax

    is it a good deal?

    thanks...
  • merlion0821merlion0821 Member Posts: 143
    Thanks Dennis. I suspected that they should be able to come down some more. Since the holdback is $900+, I would think that invoice less the incentive would be doable.
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    I went for the Navi, but my friend got the DVD. Picture is great and the quality of the wireless headphones were quite acceptable.
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    Invoice less holdback and then some. Try several internet managers. The 2009 is due soon and great deals on 2008s are going on.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Look up the invoice, take off $1,500 if you are buying and $1,000 if you are leasing, and that should be a price you can get the dealer to do or get close to. Most dealers do not like to deal down into hold back, but it is 3% of MSRP and you are looking at $29k to $32k or more in SUV here, so buying at invoice less all of the incentive STILL lets the dealer make a lot of money (when they get their hold back check). There are some high volume dealers or those with aggressive Internet pricing that will deal down into hold back. I think our dealer (Hennessy) made < $150 on our lease considering invoice, incentives, and hold back.

    Dennis
  • dacc0917dacc0917 Member Posts: 21
    Was that Joyce Honda? And what trim was it exl 4wd? Nav or dvd player?
  • abapnjabapnj Member Posts: 4
    What trim did you buy EX L ....was NAVI included ?
  • sncmageesncmagee Member Posts: 6
    Yes, it was Joyce Honda. The trim level is EX-L with 4WD. No Navi or Entertainment System.
  • abapnjabapnj Member Posts: 4
    Hi there,
    Can you please let me know what else you got for 28.5K deal on the 2008 Pilot EX-L. I appreciate all the feedback you have posted earlier as it really helps us all get the best numbers.

    Regards
    Mike
  • wanapilotwanapilot Member Posts: 8
    I had the Pilot for over one week now. I have not noticed any wind noise coming from the crossbar, even at freeway speed. You may want to check on the following items:

    1. The front bar and rear bars are different. Make sure you have not reveresed them

    2. There are specific locations Honda recommended (there are marks on the roof rail/rack). That is where my crossbars are located. Moving them to other positions may actually create noise. For recommendations of crossbar locations, see installation instructions.

    Good luck.
  • dacc0917dacc0917 Member Posts: 21
    Thanks for the info, I have added them to my list of dealers for Dec to pick up an 09.
  • nahtenahte Member Posts: 2
    I recently purchased a 08 Pilot EX-L AWD w/ Nav for $32,500 OTD. This is in the DC metro area. The sale price ended up being $30,700 (including destination). With the dealer $1,500 incentive, there are deals to be had for those in the market for the 08 model.
  • gohonda12gohonda12 Member Posts: 19
    nahte,
    Thanks for sharing the pricing info. Did you have any accessories/options included in the 32500 OTD price of 08 Pilot EX-L AWD. I'm also in the DC region and was interested in that trim. Can you pls. tell which dealership gave you this offer.

    Thanks in advance
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Thanks for posting. Invoice is $32,905 less the $1,500 known incentive for purchase leaves $31,405, so your price is $705 under invoice - which is a sweet price as long is there no huge dealer doc or prep fee on top of it.

    There is $1,088.40 in hold back on this model, so the dealer still made $383.40 plus dealer fee (if any) and any profit on a trade in (if any).

    Good deal, not much meat left of the bone :D .

    Dennis
  • nahtenahte Member Posts: 2
    gohonda12,
    The only extra accessory that came with the car was the appearance package (wheel locks, mud guards, and some other minor stuff).
    I initially sent out quote requests using Edmunds and received several quotes within a few days or so. The lowest one I got was from Koons in Manassas which was around $30,500 for the sale price (not including destination). The salesman told me they are currently offering a $500 off the internet quote coupon for this month which will bring down the price to roughly $30,000. Figuring this is a very good price, I called Hendrick to see if they can match this price. The manager I spoke to said he would match this price and since Hendrick is the closest dealer to me (I live in Springfield, VA), I went with them. The transaction was very smooth and the people there were excellent. They have a large selection with many colors to choose from. My wife really like the Nimbus Gray and that's what we got.

    Hope this helps and good luck.
  • tsinoytsinoy Member Posts: 24
    Hi Dennis, live in Atlanta and looking to lease a 4wd SE model or EXL+Nav within 48hrs. What numbers should I be targetting.. cheapest I saw from the post was $329 + tax + $600+ total money out... any inut will be greatly appreciated. Who was your contact at Hennessy? Thanks
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    "Good deal, not much meat left of the bone"

    I agree, very good deal. But I don't believe that a little less than $400 is all the money (gross profit?!) the dealer made on an '08 model. Making just a few hundred $$ on a new car won't be enough for dealers to stay in business and pay for all the overhead and the salaries/commissions. They would make much more in interest having invested that money (And they do pay interest on the money thay borrow to carry the cars on the lot). I think the key is that we, as customers, make good deals and be happy with it. And this was one of those deals.
  • jjk20jjk20 Member Posts: 13
    I have negotiated a lease on an '08 Pilot Value Package 4WD

    36 mo.
    12k mi.
    0 down (nothing out of pocket, just sign & drive-off)

    $334. + tax

    is it a good deal?

    thanks...
  • vinnynyvinnyny Member Posts: 764
    The Honda advertised lease is for $259/36/12k with $1999 up front. $1145 of that is cap cost reduction, $259 first payment and $595 bank fee. Using the 3.9% finance rate on the 1999 up front (much higher rate than lease rate) gives a payment of about $318. So, your $334 is higher than it should be even if you can't beat the suggested cap cost that is part of this deal. My local dealer is offering the Pilot VP for about $200 under invoice LESS incentives. Bottomline: you should easily beat this deal.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I sent her an e-mail to ask for prices on those two models. Forum rules prevent me from posting a salesperson's name or e-mail.

    My e-mail address is in my profile if you want to drop me a line.

    I will post the prices once I have them.

    I would expect down into the hold back a good ways for both, but it depends on the number they have in stock and how fast/slow they are moving, I guess. They have an online inventory so you can go count the number of each :D .

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I answered you over in the other forum, so pick one or the other to carry on the conversation :D .

    They said someone had already contacted them on these two trim lines, so I guess that was you?

    Anyway:

    SE 4WD
    Price: $27,993
    MF: .00014
    Residual: 54% or $18,592
    $0.00 Cap Reduction
    $298 + tax X 36 months @ 12K miles per year with approved credit

    EX-L 4WD with Navigation
    Price: $31,693
    MF: .00014
    Residual: 51% or $18,502
    $0.00 Cap Reduction
    $399 + tax X 36 months @ 12K miles per year with approved credit


    For reference, invoice is $30,510 on the SE and $32,905 on the EX-L/NAV, so the discount is MUCH better on the SE (and I bet they have a lot more of them to choose from).

    Dennis
  • beesmombeesmom Member Posts: 5
    Hi.

    I have a disabled daughter who is sometimes in a wheelchair and I am looking for a new car. We do not need a car that has a ramp.

    I am thinking about a Honda Pilot. I like many things about is but the only thing that isn't perfect is the back door does not open as wide as I would like.

    I live in Louisville, KY and am looking for a good deal. A really good deal! The car does not even have to be brand new. I understand the '09's are going to be new so now is a good time. Any advice?

    Thank you.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I have done business with Swope in Louisville a number of times and have been please with the results. E-mail me via my profile and I can send you contact info for the salesperson I have dealt with - or just go through the Internet sales department online. Swope does have a hefty doc fee, but usually their net price for the car, destination, and fee is pretty good.

    The current lease deals on the Pilot VP 2WD and 4WD call for the dealers to price the SUV at around $500 under invoice if you do the cheap lease - but folks are finding they can at even lower prices. If you opt to purchase, you should be able to knock off another $500 off of that to get to around $1k under invoice OR MORE. The total dealer money should be $1k on leases and $1,500 on purchases.

    "Test drive" the door opening with your daughter at the dealership. With the 3rd row of seats folded there is gobs of room inside behind the 2nd row. About the only negatives are the low MPGs (as you would expect for a good size SUV) and the future resale value may be low.

    Dennis
  • rhinetjbrhinetjb Member Posts: 2
    I just bought a new '08 Honda Pilot VP 4WD for $25,159 - about $1700 under invoice - Does anyone know if that is a good deal?
  • slamtazslamtaz Member Posts: 55
    I got a dealer no-haggle quote on the 2008 VP Pilot FWD with no other option for $23.6k plus TTL. Is this a good price or should i make a lower counter offer? How much should i go for? Please help and thanks in advance.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I can answer both questions at one time.

    Edmunds is still showing $1,500 in dealer money for the VP Pilots in either FWD or 4WD if you BUY them. So take invoice, less $1,500 and you should have a nice target. They still make 3% of MSRP in hold back and several dealers have been seen to be dealing down into the hold back to move a Pilot.

    So get your quotes for the Pilot, destination, and any dealer doc or prep fees. Then compare those to each other and to invoice less incentive and if you are near or below that number, then take your best price and go buy.

    Dennis
  • dfwhondadfwhonda Member Posts: 45
    That is helpful info. From a review of Edmunds, it appears that $1500 dealer money applies to all 08 Pilot styles, so for a EX-L FWD w/NAV, invoice less incentive is $30k. I've received two quotes from dealers in the Dallas area below that, each of which does not include TTL and one of which does not include "D&H" (which I've e-mailed the dealer about to confirm the amount).

    I presume these "deals" are decent, but if anyone disagrees, please let me know.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    If you are under invoice less known incentives and the price includes the Pilot, destination, and dealer fees then you have a good price.

    Dealers in large metropolitan areas know you are price shopping over the phone/Internet and SOME will leave off destination and/or dealer fees to make their price sound the best, then you show up and they tack that on.

    Keep in mind that the larger the MSRP the larger the hold back, on a top of line model like you are looking at it should be over $1k. So they can deal under invoice less incentives and still make a nice profit.

    Dennis
  • rookie007rookie007 Member Posts: 1
    Got a lease quote prior to January month end. Dealer told me that the deal still holds for February. Just checking to see if MF,Residual, or incentives are accurate or have changed for Feb....

    MSRP: $34080
    Purch Price: $30190
    MF: .0003
    Residual: .53
    Term: 12K/yr, 36months
    Money Down: $2100
    Monthly Payment: $351

    Dealer applied some of the $1000 manufacturer to dealer rebate.
    This deal was made in Suffolk COunty, Long Island, NY.
  • vik4vik4 Member Posts: 2
    I am planning to buy a 2008 VP 4WD or EX 4WD. Anyone on this forum in NJ/NYC area can share their experience - pricing, dealer experience etc ? Is inv less $1500 a still good baseline for negotiating ?

    thanks
  • normkolnormkol Member Posts: 135
    Anyone have a feeling for whether Honda will increase the $1500 dealer incentive after it expires March 3?

    I'm thinking of getting an EX-L, but I know in the past, usually end of the year, the incentives have increased.

    Since the 2008's are being phased out in the next few months, does anyone have a feeling for what Honda will do in March/April?
  • jmzootjmzoot Member Posts: 7
    I believe they already increased the rebate by an additional $1000... not that I see it noted anywhere.. but check with your dealer
  • djw1212djw1212 Member Posts: 7
    I am picking up a EX-L AWD next week. Was given a price of $28,417 plus tax and tags. I am not sure if Honda upped the incentives to the Dealer, but with the research i've done this seems to be well into the holdback. This was at Piazza Honda in Philadelphia
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    You might not be a lease person and may never have done a lease before, but right now AHFC is running lease money factors of 0.00015 (0.33%) and 0.00041 (0.71%) - a LOT lower than you can finance the Pilot.

    The downside: your dealer make get $500 less incentive if you lease VS buy, so you may pay $500 more for the Pilot. You have to pay the $595 bank fee on the lease. So you end up being $1,095 over your purchase price, but YMMV.

    The upside: cheap, near 0% interest for 3 years. Guaranteed purchase price at lease end (between 49% and 54% of MSRP). The option to just turn the Pilot in at the end of the lease - didn't like it, ready for something new, gas is $5 per gallon, etc. In most every state sales tax is only due on the payment, and not the whole car, so you defer paying about 1/2 the tax until you purchase the Pilot - or pay nothing else if you turn it in. The freedom to new car shop in 3 years w/o the hassle of a trade. The lease bank (AHFC) takes all the risk in future value - if the Pilot does not hold value then at lease end just turn it in. If the Pilot is worth more than buy out price, you still get to buy at the agreed price.

    If you were planning on financing your Pilot, then I would run the numbers both ways. I think you will find that leasing the Pilot at these insane low rates THEN buying the Pilot compares favorable with financing the Pilot new at a much, much higher rate - even counting the price difference and bank fee.

    Just something to think about.

    Dennis
  • gohonda12gohonda12 Member Posts: 19
    The price you got is almost 2500 below invoice for an EX-L AWD (No NAV no RES). Is this price for a special lease or financing. TIA
  • djw1212djw1212 Member Posts: 7
    No dealer financing or lease. i was surprised that they would go that low. I am not sure if they are cutting into thier holdback or if Honda has given them more $ on incentives. I have looked around and can not find any info on new dealer incentives.First price was $29500, phone call the next saying they could do $28417. $2500 below invoice and $5500 off MSRP
  • gohonda12gohonda12 Member Posts: 19
    I also have a feeling (but no confirmation) that Honda recently upped its incentives to move inventories. Check out this news article posted on Bloomberg today (2/6/08) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aOVOudDTmfN0&refer=japan
  • djw1212djw1212 Member Posts: 7
    I am not really sure where to start with pricing a lease. I called the dealer and he let me a message that for a Pilot EXL zero down lease would be $423 for 36 months, 12k per year and a residual of $18062. Ant idea if this a decent deal. Sorry i never leased a car before and i'm still trying to figure it out Thanks Dave
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    You start with the price of the Pilot, just like you are buying it. A price around $1k under invoice would be a nice price. Then you just plug in the lease numbers and you are done.

    Dennis
  • carslycarsly Member Posts: 32
    I can confirm (indirectly) that the dealer support must have increased by $1,000 in the last few days as the carsdirect.com pricing for an EX-L dropped by exactly $1,000 some time between Sunday night and this evening (Wednesday).
  • slamtazslamtaz Member Posts: 55
    Dennis,

    At the example given by the poster above, can you please detail to us how to plug in the numbers? I myself am torn between lease and purchase, so if you let us pick your brain, that will help us make a more intelligent decision.

    Thank you much!
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Sure, when I have some time later today/tonight let me run the numbers as a sample and show them here.

    Dennis
  • buydotcombuydotcom Member Posts: 2
    $26850 OTD for 2008 Pilot AWD EX. Pay with CASH.

    Is this a good deal. I checked it is around $2700 below current invoice.

    Thanks
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    I got this email from Livermore Honda in northern CA. In case anyone is interested in the going price of a VP Pilot.

    Weekly Specials at Livermore Honda

    2008 Honda Pilot VP 4WD
    MSRP.......................................................$29,630.00
    Weekly special price..................................$6,000.00 off MSRP *
    H80143 H80179 H80202
    Price good through 2/10/2008.
  • paindocpaindoc Member Posts: 2
    Hello All,
    In the market for a 2008 Honda Pilot. I've been quoted the following:
    2008 EX-L RES $28,127 + Dest + TT&L. Looking to purchase at this time.

    Seems pretty good to me? What do you all think?

    Thanks in advance!
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    IMO it is a good deal if it is 4WD, for a 2WD I think you could do a little better specially that it does not include the destination charge.
  • paindocpaindoc Member Posts: 2
    Oops. Forgot that detail. Yes the quote was for a 4WD model.
    So, sounds pretty decent?

    I guess I'm also wondering with the new 2009 pilot coming out,
    can I expect to get a better deal down the road on remaining 2008 models?
    And when would be a good time to jump in and grab a 2008 model?

    Thanks again in advance!
  • carslycarsly Member Posts: 32
    ...the cheaper the 2008's will get. Of course, they may stop new builds in the next month or two of 2008's so if you want some special color / feature combination your choices are likely to wane but pricing will have to go down. This is precisely why they don't give us a target launch date for the 2009 model. If they said the 2009's would be available at dealers on April 15th (tax day!) then anyone interested in a 2008 would wait until near or after that date to buy thereby impeding near-term sales and forcing more 2008's to be sold at a higher discount.

    If you're not forced to buy now, the best advice I can give is keep waiting until they give a firm launch date for the 2009 models, then you'll see heavy discounting on remaining 2008 inventory and knowing that they are carrying over 75 days of inventory you can expect the discounts to be very aggressive.

    When might that be? If I were Honda I would use the NY Auto Show the third week in March to perhaps introduce and give a firm launch date on the 2009 model. They have already publicly committed to a spring launch and the most noteworthy show that would give them a lot of press in that timeframe is in New York. It's right around the corner so might as well wait and see. The worst case is that they will continue to creep up dealer marketing support by another $500-1,000 every few weeks to clean out 2008 model year inventory since I can't see them pushing back the launch as they must have already tooled up the factories for the 2009's.

    Good hunting!
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    The most I have ever seen Honda give in Pilot dealer incentive is $2,500, but they could go lower than that for the end of the run deals.

    Folks shopping Accord went through the same deal last year - the longer you wait the more you may save but the fewer your choices are.

    I would say if you could lease a Pilot now for nearly no interest and pay $1k or so under invoice or purchase one now for $2,500 or so under invoice those are smoking hot deals. Could you save a little more later, maybe on the purchase or with some cheap financing, but I think the lease deals will go away soon. And Honda may not offer much more than $2,500 in incentive money. We just don't know for sure.

    Dennis
  • djw1212djw1212 Member Posts: 7
    I have been shopping for a pilot for few weeks now and the pricing just keeps getting more aggressive. Today i got a qoute for a EXL AWD for $27,417 to BUY and $29,635 to lease, MF.0003, 36 month/12k per = 370 a month. How much lower can they go? I think i will jump on the lease now, 3 years @.7% and the color combo i want. Besides' it seems that most dealers I've checked with, Philadelphia, are sticking very close to the invoice on a lease.
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