2013 and earlier-Honda Pilot Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • cl601amtcl601amt Member Posts: 9
    I know it varies by area, but I was offered 2.9% for up to 63 months yesterday (2/26)
    Personally I would not increase what I owe on the house, but that is just me. If the it is simple interest you can pay it off early with no penalty. Make sure it is simple interest before you sign on the loan.
  • kjehlingkjehling Member Posts: 6
    If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? I'm in SF bay area. Simple interest, good tip.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    It is a regional deal for a "President's Day Sale" that has now expired in most places - but most states never got the deal at all.

    Dennis
  • cl601amtcl601amt Member Posts: 9
    I live in the Kansas City area. And to the person asking about how I found out about it, I emailed a dealer and he told me they were running 2.9% in his reply email.
  • ksr674ksr674 Member Posts: 11
    I think we should convert the incentive into percentage and negotiate a price from there. The conversion for the lowest model (VP 2WD) from Invoice turns out to 13.65%.
    (Incentive/Invoice x 100) (3500/25631 x 100 = 13.65%).

    Add the 2% hold back to 13.65% (2+13.65=15.65%). Your price should be 15-16% off the invoice. That comes to:

    Honda Pilot Best Price

    VP 2WD $21620
    VP 4WD $22686
    EX 2WD $23258
    EX 4WD $24325
    SE 2WD $24668
    SE 4WD $25735
    EX-L 2WD $25011
    EX-L 4WD $26078
    EX-L 2WD RES $26231
    EX-L 4WD RES $27298
    EX-L 2WD NAV $26688
    EX-L 4WD NAV $27755

    Any deal around these prices + taxes+ttl+doc fee of 150 (standard for honda dealers) will be good. I have taken hold back of 2% from invoice (it should be from MSRP, even more less than above prices.

    The deals get better as u go for higher models. What every one thinks.

    ksr674
  • charora_pilotcharora_pilot Member Posts: 1
    Hello Friends,

    I bought 2008 Honda Pilot 4DR 4dr EX-L w/Navi for $29250 + TTL = $32,000 and 1.9% APR for 36 months.

    Can you please tell me if this is a good deal?
  • codrivercodriver Member Posts: 21
    ... and know of good deals from CO dealers lately?

    Thanks.
  • wyyangwyyang Member Posts: 29
    I like these numbers if they are possible. It's only the best quote (EXL 4WD) I have is $1272 more than your number.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Why ask now, why not ask BEFORE you purchased it?

    In any case, invoice is $32,905 less the $3,500 dealer incentive ends up at $29,405. So if your $29,250 includes the Pilot, destination, and any dealer doc or prep fees, then you are $155 into the hold back - which is a nice price. If they added fees and/or destination to that price then it is not as good.

    Dennis
  • nagamnagam Member Posts: 3
    Closed the deal on sunday for pilot 2008 ex-l, silver exterior , gray interior wheellocks, appearnce package+ mud guards.

    I Just paid no more than 28K
    28K(including all - OTD,including 4% tax)

    and got the finance 2.9% for 60months

    any thoughts on that?
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    You are making it way too complex.

    1) Pick a model
    2) Look up the invoice
    3) Take off $3,500 from invoice
    4) There you have a good price - it that includes the Pilot, destination, and any dealer fees
    5) Anything less than (invoice - $3,500) with fees included becomes a great price.

    Knowing the numbers does not mean anything if you can't convince a dealer to deal as low as you want to go. Most Honda dealers I have ever worked with will never deal down into hold back - never (unless you have a trade they can rip you off on or don't mind them adding their dealer fee back on top of your deal). Other Honda dealers routinely deal into hold back for all but the most sought after models. It makes it a lot less trouble and effort to just find the dealers who deal low - you get a price then get a new vehicle.

    Dennis
  • slamtazslamtaz Member Posts: 55
    i think those numbers are a bit off, because the 3,500 incentive is a fix amount compared to a variable invoice price depending on the model you'll get.

    so, if you're interested in the ex-l 4wd, percentage of 3,500 incentive from 30,917 invoice is actually 11.32% only and not 13.65%. Dennis is right, just take off the incentive from the invoice and you get $27,417 (and not 26,078 w/c is 13.65%).

    and if your best quote is $27,350 (i.e. 26,078 + 1,272), you're actually $67 (i.e. 27,417 - 27,350) into the holdback, granting that your quote already include destination. If your quote still includes all dealer fees, your even deeper into the holdback!
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    When I say invoice I mean the invoice for the vehicle including destination fee. That is what everyone else should use for "invoice" as well. There is no markup on destination and everyone has to pay it and pay the same amount for it, so when you lookup "invoice price" just make sure it includes the destination - if not add it in for yourself.

    Maybe THAT is how some folks get "seems to be too low" prices - they post what they paid for the Pilot (exclusive of the fees) and leave out the destination :D ?

    Dennis
  • ksr674ksr674 Member Posts: 11
    It is possible to get the dealer to around those prices. I am sitting on an email with 28405 price for EXL 4WD with Nav. Another dealer said he will beat that price by 150 dollars if I get the email copy (not willing to give a written quote). I did the test drive of the vehicle and did not close because of not getting a good trade-in price on my older vehicle. He said the price is good till end on feb 08. There have been messages here from people who got a price of 27650 on EXL 4WD with NAV (Boch Honda). So go try, there is no harm. U can tell them why the incentive has to be just 3500 on a 25631 vehicle and a 32900 vehicle. Percentage wise it doesnt look a good deal on higher cost vehicles. Good topic for discussion.
  • boozwaaboozwaa Member Posts: 3
    Received my lowest quote today and will be going in tomorrow to buy it.
    Quote was for a 2WD VP for $21,040. Includes destination.

    Was the lowest quote I can get. Got tired of going back and forth. Just want to buy it and get it over with. I'm in Southern Cal.
  • fiufiu Member Posts: 25
    We are going to buy a pilot soon, and noticed dealers always add some accessories in almost every pilot and asked an insane price for those add ons, does anyone have invoice price for those accessories, I won't pay more than invoice for those. Thanks
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I am sitting on an email with 28405 price for EXL 4WD with Nav. Another dealer said he will beat that price by 150 dollars if I get the email copy (not willing to give a written quote).

    There is a BIG difference between having a dealer's "promise" of a price and actually getting the vehicle at that price. The dealer could not honor it when you try to get it, they could then add destination on top of the price, or add a several hundred dollar destination fee on top of it.

    The price is no good until it is on your written and signed paperwork and you are driving off in your new Pilot.

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Not all dealers do that. Some add inexpensive stuff like splash guards and cargo nets and often when you deal with the Internet sales staff your nice quote means they throw in whatever dealer options are on the car you choose.

    You could also shop for the dealer before you shop for the best price. Look for dealers who have little or no doc or prep fees and do not add any dealer options that the customer does not want. It would seem if you limit yourself to those dealers you stand a better chance of getting a deal you want without paying for things you don't.

    You can check the online discount Honda accessory dealers, like H&A, to see what their price is for the add ons. Most of them are pretty simple to install, but thinks that involve drilling or cutting I would leave to the dealer. So figure the real cost to the dealer based on the discount price you could get for the same item.

    Dennis
  • rgustafsrgustafs Member Posts: 35
    I have been working to get a good quote on a new Pilot, as my lease on an 05 EXL NAVI is up at the end of March.

    This is the best I have gotten so far in Washington, DC area if i make a deal on/before March 3, 2008:

    $28,057.13 - '08 Pilot EX-L/Nav AWD (Black with grey leather)
    100.00 - Processing
    695.00 - Running Boards
    1,184.49 - Va. State Taxes/NVTA Registration Fee - 4%
    96.50 - Va. Tag/Title Fees
    $30,133.12 - Total on-the-road

    635.00 - Freight/Destination (now included in vehicle price of 28,057.23)
    125.00 - Rear Splash Guards (now included in vehicle price of 28,057.23)

    So what do you think?

    I will be leasing so I am also crunching those numbers. As far as I can tell, my payment will be lower than on my last Pilot.

    With a lease for 15k, 51% residual, and .0003 MF (current AHFC customer in good stading so no need for sec dep):

    MSRP $36,280
    Base Cap Cost $28,852 (Pilot with $100 processing and $695 running boards)
    Cost added $595 (AHFC acquisition fee)
    No reductions taken
    Net Cap Cost $29,447 (base plus added cost)
    With 4% VA sales tax...

    Monthly payment of $331.14??? How can that be correct? It seems quite low to me. What am I doing wrong? (I will pay $96.50 for tags out of pocket.)
  • turtle3550turtle3550 Member Posts: 7
    [quote]
    1) Pick a model
    2) Look up the invoice
    3) Take off $3,500 from invoice
    [\quote]

    I just picked up a EX-L 2WD w/RES $27,200 + Tax + License. This was in NorCal

    $31,098 (Invoice) - $3,500 = $27,598 so I guess I got a pretty decent deal. The dealer threw in wheel locks, splash guards and door edge guards. According to them a $600 value (yeah right!)
  • qqluckqqluck Member Posts: 3
    My best quote received on a Pilot 2008 VP 4WD is 24107.11 (out of door price, everything included, Maryland 6% tax is also included.). Is it as best as i can get?
    I am thinking to make a deal at this price.
    Also need some advise on trade-in. I am thinking to trade-in my 2001 Accord, 4 door sedan, EX, Leather, power-seat, moon roof, spoiler, alloy wheel, good condition, 108K mileage. The dealer can take it for $5500. The KBB trade-in is $5540, private sale is a little over $7000. What number I should ask for seems more appropriate? Your replies are greatly appreciated.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Invoice on an 4WD EX-L w/Nav is $32,905 less the $3,500 PURCHASE incentive is $29,405. Less $725.60 hold back is $28,679.40. Yet somehow they are pricing this to you for $28,057.13 + $100 dealer fee? I don't see how they can, unless you had a trade or the priced a different model to you. Your running board price is a bit of a rip off, but that is not enough to cover the dealer to make any money given the figures you posted. Maybe you say the splash guards and destination are included in the price, but I would think the dealer will not say so.

    Your mistake is thinking they will lease you the Pilot at this price. If you take the cheap lease then the dealer does not get the $3,500 incentive. They get $1,000 (for sure) or $1,500 (maybe in some regions). So your Pilot price is going to go up a lot if you do the lease.

    If the dealer is dumb enough to price this model to you below invoice and all hold back, then go buy it. If they are dumb enough to lease it to you for this same price, then go lease it.

    Dennis
  • rgustafsrgustafs Member Posts: 35
    Just as you predicted, I just recieved this email from the dealer:

    Please forgive me, I made a mistake. I was trying to multitask when I was typing to you, and I erranously offered to include the destination and splash guards. With the base price of $28,057.13, I'm $4,212.90 below the invoice of $32,270.03. We used the dealer incentive and the dealer holdback to offer you this price, and I don't have any other room to go.

    Because I have been negotiating on sales price alone, the dealer does not yet know I am leasing. So I am now at:

    $28,057.13 - '08 Pilot EX-L/Nav 4WD

    635.00 - Freight/Destination
    100.00 - Processing
    695.00 - Running Boards
    125.00 - Rear Splash Guards
    1,184.49 - Va. State Taxes/NVTA Registration Fee - 4%
    96.50 - Va. Tag/Title Fees
    $30,893.12 - Total on-the-road

    I wonder what will change. I do not have a trade in, and I am not going to put any money down. Any advice on how to best approach this part of the negotiation process?

    (Also, I am iffy on the running boards. I am not sure if I want em, but I thought I'd price it out anyway...)
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    If you are under invoice and incentive for the Pilot, destination, and dealer fee then you did get a nice deal. Congratulations. What color is your new EX-L RES?

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    If you take the running board off they lose some profit, so they make not take the entire about off :D.

    Normally, I agree with the way you are negotiating this - you deal on the price with no mention of lease or trade. Once you have the price hammered down, then introduce the lease element, once that is done then bring in the trade.

    In this case, we KNOW the dealer incentive is not nearly the same so you need to disclose up front you are leasing - but be sure you ask for a PRICE on the Pilot and not a PAYMENT. That way you can know where you stand before moving on to lease terms.

    Dennis
  • rgustafsrgustafs Member Posts: 35
    I hear you. I just let the internet sales person know that I am interested in leasing. He said I'd have to come in to talk to the finance person to talk about it.

    NOT gonna fall for that one. I have requested an itemized lease quote based on the price we have agreed upon ($28,057.13). We shall see...
  • rgustafsrgustafs Member Posts: 35
    Grrrrrr. Email I just recieved.

    I spoke with my Sales Manager and showed him what we are trying to accomplish. He informed me that the $3,500 dealer cash incentive is only on purchases. Honda is doing a lease incentive rate special for leases. So the purchase price of $28,057.13 will not be the same as the lease price (which will be $30,770.13).

    I think I can do better. What do you guys think?
  • turtle3550turtle3550 Member Posts: 7
    [quote]
    If you are under invoice and incentive for the Pilot, destination, and dealer fee then you did get a nice deal. Congratulations. What color is your new EX-L RES?
    [/quote]

    We got the NGM, I really wanted the AWD but they only had one with Navi in that color. As hard as I tried, I could not convice my wife that the kids would rather have a navi than a DVD player. ^_^
  • k_grotek_grote Member Posts: 2
    I'm trying to deal on a 3yr/12K 2008 Honda Pilot SE AWD lease.

    The best monthly payment I've been able to get is $334.97. This price includes tax title and license.

    Invoice: $30,500 selling for $28,200.

    1) First payment due at signing, nothing else.
    2) $18,160 cost to purchase at end of lease.
    3) Money factor is .00030 and residual is 54%.

    Please advise as the dealership is a no hassle no haggle.

    I do have a trade but I have not told the dealer yet. Would I be at an advantage or disadvantage to trade my current car? It's worth about 3K.

    Thanks!
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    There should be either a $1,000 or $1,500 lease incentive so the incentive difference from $3,500 should be $2,500 or $2,000 more to lease than buy. The price difference you show is $2,713 higher than your buy price.

    That said, you had a really low selling price. Invoice is $32,905 and if they will do the lease on this for $30,770.13 (Pilot/destination/dealer fee) then you are $2,134.87 under invoice. I think I would tell them to write the lease up and you will come get the Pilot - as long as this is the 4WD EX-L w/Nav.

    Dennis
  • cl601amtcl601amt Member Posts: 9
    I have 2 quotes from local dealers at $27,600 + $250 doc fee for a EXL 4WD, no nav or DVD. This is in MO, so no tax or lisence paid until you register the car. One of the quotes was the first offer from the internet request. No one is really interested in moving below that. I might try to get one to throw in rubber mats or splash guards to sweeten the pot.
    Now I have to decide if we are going to sign or wait to see what next months deals hold.
  • andylaksh1andylaksh1 Member Posts: 8
    Hi all, I am totally new here. So please bear with me if I ask some totally 'beaten to death' questions.
    First, from the 4WD VP how better is the next option 4WD EX? I did browse a bit but I thought I'd rather ask the experts about the most telling differences.
    Second, I got a price quote for 23,395 + tax, title + 150 doc. fee. which works out well over 25,000. I think the offer price is invoice minus the incentive 3500. What do you guys suggest as a better price?
    Also, till when is this honda incentive promotion gonna be? do I have some time to make a decision?
    I live in North West Indiana, close to chicago area. Who do you suggest as a better dealer around chicago. I really appreciate any help. Thanks.
  • andylaksh1andylaksh1 Member Posts: 8
    Could you please tell me which area this is? I got a quote today for 23395 including destination but +doc, tax etc for the same $WD VP. Hope I can do a lot better than that.
  • kogiekogie Member Posts: 2
    Hi! Everyone..would like to thank you all for all advice and info on buying experience. Ive have bought today the Pilot EX-L FWD w/navi for 27,771. The sales manager was no pressure..and easy to talk too. Email yesterday, saw the vehicle and drove it today. They have the $3500 incentive but dont have the 2.99 APR. Good hunting to you all...
  • robsdadrobsdad Member Posts: 20
    We already got our pilot, but I just got this e-mail from Gwinnett Place Honda. So if you're close and in the market, it may be a good choice... this is where we bought our pilot.

    Leap Year 1 DAY SALE @ Gwinnett Place Honda, 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.



    2008 Pilot VP

    MSRP $28,190
    INVOICE $25,590

    SALE PRICE $21,165



    2008 Pilot EX

    MSRP $30,340
    INVOICE $28,960

    SALE PRICE $23,032



    2008 Pilot SE

    MSRP $32,190
    INVOICE $29,205

    SALE PRICE $24,640



    2008 Pilot EXL

    MSRP $32,640
    INVOICE $29,611

    SALE PRICE $25,030



    2008 Pilot EXL-RES

    MSRP $34,240
    INVOICE $31,237

    SALE PRICE $26,420

    Valid on in stock vehicles only, plus $399 documentation, sales tax, $28 title application and $3 GA Lemon Law. Price includes standard factory equipment, dealer accessories are not included. Not valid with other promotions.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,528
    Even with the $399 doc fee, those prices seem about $1000 lower than I thought they could do....

    I'd love to see someone drop in, and report back on an actual price, once they work it up..

    If no "gotchas", those are great deals..

    Edmunds Price Checker
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  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    I know of a few folks online that got Hondas from Gwinnett and they seem to be an OK dealer.

    The "dealer installed accessories extra" line COULD mean that all the Pilots have a bunch of stuff packed onto them that you have to pay for.

    I agree, someone needs to go by and take them up on the deal - if they can.

    Dennis
  • miamiboggsmiamiboggs Member Posts: 4
    I'm in ATL. I may get a chance to check this out and see if I can get one of those deals (although they didn't mention EX-L with NAVI).

    Thought I was picking up a new Toyota Highlander FWD Sport last night. However dealer delivered the wrong car and it didn't have leather. Dealer said they can add leather, but wouldn't come with heated seats. If I want heated I'd be paying extra.

    I thought the VIN# I was buying had leather. Apparently there is a difference between the ones that come from the factory with leather (have heated seats) vs. the ones they can install locally at the dealer (not necessarily heated). So we are in a standoff. The way I see it, they can either give me the heated for no additional cost to keep my business, or I walk - to the Pilot.

    This might give me enough time to decide that even though I like the Highlander better, it would be hard to turn down a smoking deal on a Pilot EX-L with NAVI.

    Compared to the highlander, I'd be getting the same features plus NAVI with the Pilot, and still come out $3,000 or more ahead. Perhaps I could learn to love it :)

    As Terrell Owens agent would say, I'd have $3,000 reasons to.
  • robsdadrobsdad Member Posts: 20
    This was the same type of e-mail I had gotten before we bought ours. They had advertised another "sale". Prices were true. No bait and switch. I hope someone reports back if they can one of these deals.
  • parvizparviz Member Posts: 484
    I would opt for factory installed leather rather than dealer, in either car. With all the new cars having so many devices in the seats (air bags, sensors, heater, etc.) I would rather not have the dealer mess with it to begin with and also to make sure I get all the features that come with factory installed leather. I like Highlanders as a friend of mine has one and I've sat in it but if you have not test drove a Pilot, try one, you'll like it a lot (if not love it!), We have an 06 EXL V6 w/Navi and still after a year and half when I drive it I enjoy it more than the first day (gas? another story!).
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I know that SE Toyota - the distributor for the Southeastern states - does many port installed options. Is the leather one of them? If so, then I wouldn't be that concerned.

    To the OP - as for heated seats - if you live per your user name, what in the world to you need heated seats for???!!!

    ;)
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    You would want the OEM, factory installed, leather seats and not some leather they paid a local shop to install. Factory installed would have full warranty and if some part of the leather had to be replaced down the road it would match with the leather as a replacement part from Toyota or from another SUV (like from the junkyard).

    If the car was priced to you based on the car they tried to deliver to you, then you didn't "pay" for leather in your deal. If they priced it based on the leather option then they "owe" you a OEM leather clad SUV for the price they promised you. It ATL the need for heated seats should not be that great, but the non-OEM would be a deal breaker to me.

    Go take a look at the Pilot and test Drive. Get what you like, but don't accept a "leather added" vehicle.

    Dennis
  • miamiboggsmiamiboggs Member Posts: 4
    Hotlanta can get pretty chilly in the winter. Could have used the seat heaters today.

    I haven't heard back from the dealer - they must be trying to figure out what to do with me.

    I already had a pretty deep deal, so they may have no incentive to make me happy by delivering the car with leather and heated. They may let me walk and figure they can sell the car for more to someone else.

    The real issue is that they gave me time to think about how much I can save with the Pilot. I'm fine with the Pilot but it felt big to my wife (no Michael Scott references please). If I can get her over the hurdle then I can save the $$$ and be happy with it.

    Thanks for the comments / advice.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Hotlanta can get pretty chilly in the winter. Could have used the seat heaters today.

    Try climbing into a Passat with "leatherette" in February in Boston when it's only 4 degrees out!! That's chilly!!

    Actually, I love my seat heaters although I never go beyond setting 2 and only for a few minutes. My DW puts them on 5 and drives around all day like that!!
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Cloth is much cooler in the heat and warmer in the cold (if the leather lacks bun warmers - but you still get cold until those heat up). I like the look and feel of leather (and the smell when new), but my wife prefers the comfort of cloth - and when I sit down on my freezing cold or burning hot leather seats I realize she has a point :D .

    Dennis
  • storm024storm024 Member Posts: 3
    I just purchased 2008 Honda Pilot EX-L AWD w/ Navigation in Nimbus Gray. I had to wait a few days to get it because they did not have the color in stock. They had the Billet Silver, but I had driven a VW Passat in Silver for the past 9 years and wanted a change. I love the dark Gray color.

    My budget was around $30K. I test drove Toyota Rav4 and Highlander(base model), Chevy Equinox, Acura RDX(not in budget, but brother made me), Nissan Rogue, Hyundai Santa Fe, Saturn Vue and the Honda Pilot. It came down to the Honda Pilot vs Toyota Highlander. I really had wanted the Highlander for it's looks and it's better gas mileage, but it was out of my budget with all the options added on.

    I'm happy with the Honda Pilot, and I'm glad that I went with the Navigation after all. We are planning on having kids soon, and I love the fact that it has a rear view camera. Also, the crash test rating is better than the Highlander.

    I also want to thank everyone on edmunds.com for having such extensive information on how to purchase cars.

    My OTD was $30115.99. They also gave me $3500 on my Passat. I was quoted only $2000 from CarMax. I probably could've gotten more selling it privately, but I didn't want to deal with that hassle. They also matched the 5.1% financing from Capital One.
  • codrivercodriver Member Posts: 21
    Congrats on your new Pilot!

    Would you mind telling us what is the price before tax? Sale tax varies from state to state, so price before tax is a better measurement that we can use for our car hunt.

    Thanks.
  • spoon6spoon6 Member Posts: 5
    In the process of negotiating my new lease on a Pilot SE, they offered to throw in wheel guard. Anyone know what this is?

    Thanks,
  • storm024storm024 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the Congrats!

    My price before sales tax was $28,204. I got my Pilot, which I failed to mention before, at Planet Honda in Matteson, IL.

    I was originally looking at an EX-L WITHOUT Navi, and the lowest internet quote I got for that was $26,417.04 at The Honda Superstore of Joliet. Planet said they would match that price, so I went with them since they are closer to me.

    The more I thought about it though I changed my mind and decided to get Navigation for the rear-view camera. If I had just wanted Navi, I guess I could've gone with a Tom Tom or Garmin, etc. and not spend $2000 more. The camera sold it for me plus it was still in my budget of $30K. I also love the XM radio which is included for 90 days. :)
  • storm024storm024 Member Posts: 3
    I'm assuming they probably meant mud guards.
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