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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    "look what we got.....engine made in Mexico"
    ???? So what?

    "coulda done much better". Well according to alot of car experts, it's pretty good.

    And if it had all the concept car's equipment, it would cost $35K. Who really thinks that a production car will be exactly like a concept? Has one EVER? When Asian makes bring out new cars, they are never compared to the concepts.
  • 6thbeatle6thbeatle Member Posts: 180
    that's all true, but i thought the concept was SOOOO excellent, i couldn't help but be disappointed with the production version. pontiac could have made the interior much nicer all around, and given the production car a more muscular rear haunch as in the concept. of course i don't expect everything to carry over intact from a "concept" but i feel too much of that flavour was lost in the translation. it's still a much nicer car than before, though, and that's saying a lot. perhaps when the gxp model comes out in the metallic orange colour, i'll start drooling again.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    AWD and more power are still coming, right?

    -juice
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Member Posts: 854
    Which production car was 90-100% the same as the concept? I can't think of any.

    Mitsubishi usually shows some radical coupe before the actual Eclipse, which ends up watered down.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Solistice came pretty darn close. Maybe more than 90% really.

    -juice
  • breetai52breetai52 Member Posts: 91
    Yeah that car is about 99% of the concept. They are even saying there'll be a 240 HP version like the concept.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I saw the production model at NAIAS, I thought it *was* the concept. The concept was nearby, but you had to stare closely to tell the differences. They just cleaned it up very slightly.

    -juice
  • 6thbeatle6thbeatle Member Posts: 180
    the solstice looks very faithful to the original. other good examples are the prowler, and the 300C. i would include the magnum as well, but i'm still mad at chrysler for changing the front projector lamps and all-red rear lenses (they were red plastic covered chrome altima-like lamps on the concept).

    the eyes and face of a car are extremely important to me, as i don't want to look at the wrong expression, whether it's too smiley, like on the RX-8 (the concept car was WAYYYY more handsome), or dumb fish-mouthed, like on the sante fe, or just plain ugly, like on the aston martin vanquish. just kidding about that last one.
  • vpp6vpp6 Member Posts: 14
    I have maybe some stupid questions not knowing all that much other than what I like to look at, anyway when this GTP comes out with the super cool 18 inchers and the DOD I might want to grap it as by the time good finance rates come it might be after its arrival anyway. Do you car heads worry about this DOD not being reliable or not feeling good to drive? Howabout the drive itself on 18 inchers compared to 17? It would already cost an arm and a leg to replace the 17's let alone 18's. In addition, this long wheelbase seems great for the family but will it really handle great? Also, these Xenon lights the G6 will not offer are they all that great? Thanks!
  • theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    DoD will not be activated on the G6. No one has really driven it yet, so it is still unclear how the 18" wheels and longer wheelbase will affect handling.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    I'm guessing the turning radius on the GTP could be a football field :-).
    Hopefully 17" are standard on the GTP and 18 inchers are an option because that would get pretty price to replace.
    Early reports on the DOD are that it is transparent to the driver other than a light on the dash.
  • exalteddragon1exalteddragon1 Member Posts: 729
    Don't knock the Bonneville GXP. B/c of the 300C I bet the GXP will have incentives and therefore you can get a great deal on a big car that is sporty in appearance AND performance. Don't forget the FWD is a plus in colder climates.

    Hey, the thing might not have a Nav system (Dam you GM) but its got a Northstar V-8!
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I can't see Honda or Toyota doing a concept version of the Accord or Camry. They might do a concept of the Accord and Camry. Honda and Toyota they like to keep you in the dark before each generation of Accord and Camry are released. There was a concept of the 04 Acura TL. The concept looks pretty looks close to the real thing.

    I;m not a GM hater. I don't like the back ends of the current GP or G6. The front end looks sharp and defining on both cars sort of like my fave sedan(the Mazda 6) but the back ends of the GP and G6 I can't warm up to them. I do like the interior in the G6. If I was a hater I would say it was the worst interior I have ever seen. I happen to like the Caddy SRX better than the Lexus RX 330 and Infinti FX on the exterior so I don't think I'm biased. The reviewers who review the GTO blast it for being conservative in the styling area. The styling on the GTO the positive thing it could still look good in 10 years. The 90's Pontiac Firebirds still fairly look good.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That TL concept had no windshield wipers, remember? It was shown at NY last year. It blew a jet of air to clear the windshield. The styling was close to production, however.

    -juice
  • sirlandsirland Member Posts: 16
    Does any one know if there are going to be any changes to the interior of the G6 between the intro of it from the NAIAS to when it starts selling or will the interior of the G6 be what it is in the pictures we have seen so far?

    Could there be any other color choices on the dish bored of the G6 besides gray, like black or a littler color?

    When Bob Lutz came to GM, he became an important person in the design of new cars and trucks for GM. Does any know if he help shape the design of the interior of the G6, like how he did with the Solstice or someone else had put it there before?

    Does any one think that the Coupe and Converilbe will follow the sedan's interior layout and look or be a bit better then the sedan?

    By reading the many comments of how the G6 came out, good reviews on exterior, but many feel the interior's layout and look is a foot short of other cars out there. Chevy's Malibu has a seemlier problem, interior layout, look and build is an improvement over pass chevy cars but not up to par with other cars. Now, from what I have heard the build feeling of the interior of the malibu is showing good signs, but it seem that the layout or the look is in need of some more improvement. The G6 at this point maybe be following the same course.

    Now I am happy with how the interior has come out, but some think other wise. If you know how the interior can be improve, please tell me how it can be.
  • vpp6vpp6 Member Posts: 14
    You will like the interior even more when you see it in person. The darker color is great inside not black but nice and dark and maybe a little easier to keep clean! The car is cool all in all. Obviously a cooler steering wheel and a better stereo unit, climate controls would even help more it still is a desirable interior no doubt about it!
  • exalteddragon1exalteddragon1 Member Posts: 729
    were is the nav system... altima has it.
  • setzersetzer Member Posts: 127
    the current Grand Am is like a ho-hum car to me. The G6 looks promising. Even if it doesn't have some of the things competiton has, it is way better than the "so what?" Grand Am.
  • mbukukanyaumbukukanyau Member Posts: 200
    They have no navigation in a lot of upcoming cars, including the minivans, the La Crosee, Solstice, etc… while competition already has Navigation.
    Imagine you cannot get navigation in GTO a 30 K car.
    Instead GM trys to push its own technology like the Onstar and XM radio.
    Navigation is going to kill GM, unless GM styles up.
    GM has the volume necessary to exploit Navigation and kill competition by offering navigation on all its cars at lower and lower prices.
    But they choose not to
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Satellite radio seems to be in demand, a lot of people ask for that.

    Not OnStar, though.

    -juice
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    Is it the MTV culture that we must have video games on our dashboards? How many people use a Nav system in your everyday driving. Do I really need to go through 4 screen menus to turn the AC on? Probably causes as many accidents as cell phones.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    Yea, GM is afraid of navigation which is puzzling to all of us. When I went to the Chevy dealer in January for the Hot Button game, I asked the sales guy why the Malibu didn't have a navigation system. He said because it has OnStar to guide you along the way. Then I asked why the TrailBlazer has a navigation system AND OnStar. He paused for 5 seconds and finally sighed and said he didn't know. Frankly, I'd rather have both - I don't really want to listen to a person give me directions...
  • herzdawg007herzdawg007 Member Posts: 18
    Hey, does anyone know the base price of the '05 G6? I thought it was a little higher than the Malibu. It's in the same class as the Grand Prix, right? And the Grand Prix is around 30,000. Anyway, the G6 looks like a wonderful car and I can't wait until it's released.
  • montanafanmontanafan Member Posts: 945
    I would guess that Pontiac will announce the prices this summer just before/as production starts. With the G6 only coming V6, I would expect the price to be fairly close to the $23,000 starting price on the Grand Prix.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    The GM minvans will offer NAV as do all of the midsize and full size SUVS and Cadillacs.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    All the full-size GM SUVs have nav now? Finally, they added it to the Suburban!
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    yeah, as far as I know they all have it. Same for the rendevous.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Member Posts: 1,058
    one on the road today. Unfortunately it was going the opposite way. Was white and definatley a GM company/test vehicle. Some computer equipment and such on the dash. I did notice it had dual exhaust - is this standard, I forget.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    Actually, not all GM SUVs have a NAV system available. I thought they did too, but I checked it out. The Equinox, Vue, Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, and Yukon XL DO NOT YET offer a NAV system.
  • e2helpere2helper Member Posts: 1,002
    What you saw was a GTP model with the 3.9 L. Those are the ones with dual exhaust. Pretty good catch. I think there are less than 20 of those in existance at this time
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Member Posts: 1,058
    Just curious how you know that info (only 20). I believe it had the number 6 on it - on the front window I think. I live fairly close to the Orion plant so I imagine sightings will become more frequent. I tried to take a picture but was not fast enough.
  • e2helpere2helper Member Posts: 1,002
    ;) Yes the Orion plant now is building initial non-saleable vehicles and will start saleable vehicles fairly soon. Although still months away from being in dealership. Those are the 2005 model year ones. I thought the vehicle you saw was a 2006 pre-production job - of course if you saw it around Orion maybe I am mistaken and dual exhaust is on some 2005 models - I'll have to check on that.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    Saw the G6 at the NY autoshow. Much better live then in pictures. Too bad it wasn't bigger and a replacement for the Grand Prix. Only a turn-table no touch model. Wasn't drawing any interest from show goers.
  • mlm4mlm4 Member Posts: 401
    ...much interest here either. Too much of a practical sedan? People are still ga-ga for those so-called "crossover" utes, I guess (and the Aztek ain't workin' for Pontiac either). I like the styling of the G6 much better than the GP; same was true of the Grand Am/Alero vs. the GP. But I think the G6 is bound for the rental fleets in mass numbers...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Are they here yet? May not be much to talk about until then. This is the calm before the storm. We've all seen it by now.

    -juice
  • mlm4mlm4 Member Posts: 401
    The Corvette C6 board is quiet too, but do you really think a "storm" is coming with the G6? Or maybe just a passing shower?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Light drizzle? :o)

    Dunno, I liked the way the Malibu drove but didn't like the styling inside or out. G6 does address both of those, for the most part.

    I'm not shopping sedans, nor do I like FWD, but on paper the G6 looks competitive in its class.

    -juice
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    The small/family sedan, crossover/SUV segments are real tough with so many options. Unless you come out with great styling + performance + value + price, you're not gonna make a splash in the market.
  • z9z9z9z9z9z9z9z9 Member Posts: 101
    > Wasn't drawing any interest from show goers.

    It didn't appear to be getting much attention in MPLS either. I saw the same blueish-green car that they've been dragging around the country. Maybe it would have gotten more attention in red or bright blue.

    BTW, the interior looks much better in real life than in some of the pics. It's hard to figure out why the official media picture of the dash is so bad.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    At the Dallas Auto Show, the G6 was in the back of the convention hall and barely anyone saw it. More people looking at the GM displays were WOWED away by the HUMMERs.
  • setzersetzer Member Posts: 127
    Is the G6 and Grand Prix going to be like the Altima and Maxima? Meaning they are both midsize sedans "working" together to conquer the midsize market?
  • theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    GM was actually thinking ahead for once when designing the G6. It actually has larger interior measurements than the Grand Prix in a lot of ways, but that is in anticipation of the GP moving to Zeta in ~08. That new RWD platform will reportedly replace the Bonneville and Grand Prix, meaning that it will be bigger than the current Grand Prix. Also, that would leave the G6 as Pontiac's only FWD sedan, and it would only have 2 FWD vehicles by that point. Some people want FWD, and Pontiac can't lose those sales. So, they made the G6 closer to the GP than the Grand Am.

    Totally unrelated, but I think the press will destroy the G6 for launching with the pushrod 3500 with the 4-speed auto. The 6-speed, VVT 3.9L can't come soon enough.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Member Posts: 1,058
    The press will destroy them because of the lack of the 3.9 and the 2.4 at launch. There is no excuse for them not being ready. GM needs to learn that it is important to launch a new vehicle with all of the engines available. Sometime they really shoot themselves in the foot. It would really have been sweet if they could have put the 3.6 in there instead of the 3.9. Heck why not even use the 2.8 in place of the 3.5.
  • theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Now you're speakin' my language, bigdaddy. I agree with every word in that post.

    I don't see why they even bothered to develop the 3900, they could have saved that money for the higher cost of putting the DOHC HF engines in cheaper cars.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    Totally!
  • theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    Ah, here we go:

    "Later in the ’05 model year, the G6 GTP debuts with an all-new 3.9-liter HO V-6. Rated at 240 horsepower, the powerful V-6 also benefits from variable valve timing and active air intake technology. Transmission choices include a Hydra-Matic 4T65-E electronically controlled four-speed automatic with manual shift mode or an all-new, high-performance six-speed manual transmission.

    For the 2006 model year, the G6 will add a 2.4-liter HO four-cylinder to its lineup. The all-aluminum, DOHC 16-valve Ecotec engine delivers 170 horsepower and 170 lb.-ft. of torque. It is mated to the 4T45-E transmission"
  • dan165dan165 Member Posts: 653
    I think a 240hp 3.9L with displacement on demand efficiency would be a choice engine. I think they should have gone with only a 2.4L and the 3.9L, do they really need 3 choices?

    BTW, I love the 3.5L in the Malibu. I have no problem with OHV engines so long as they are efficient and refined, the 3.5L is that.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Its a very impressively fuel efficient engine. But refined? Well, I wouldnt call it unrefined. It lags in power and refinement compared to the Camcord V6s though. People talk about the engines torque, and it does come at a low and usable 3200 RPM, but 220 foot pounds from that displacement sucks.

    ~alpha
  • theo2709theo2709 Member Posts: 476
    It will be 4 engine choices soon. ;)

    I agree though, the 3500 is not suitable for the G6 and they should have waited to launch with the 3900.
  • dan165dan165 Member Posts: 653
    I have read a couple of reviews that clearly state the 3500 is as refined as the Camry V6 but not quite as good and an Accord. I have not driven a Camry back to back, but I tested a Malibu recently with my dad and it's very nice. Even the 3800 in my Grand Prix is pretty darn close.

    I don't buy the OHC / Toyota/ Honda hype. I have owned all of the above and frankly I notice very little difference in engine refinement.
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