hey, everyone ignored my steering wheel question....I feel all alone......Does anyone know if the airbags are in the steering wheel any more, and if not, could I replace the maxx's steering wheel with something sharper looking without jeapordizing my life??
the steering wheel looks too thin to have a bag. I thought that maybe the bag came out of the dash, and up and over the steering wheel. I guess the steering wheels are getting thinner and thinner in the center, that's all.
They're getting thinner because the airbags are being folded up more and more to make for a smaller steering wheel. Some cars still have a huge middle section. (Saturn ION)(That's where the bag is stored)
Some wheels today, you can't even tell they have air bags. I remember that was what I used to hate about them, the big pouches in the middle of the wheel.
Sorry, all. Had a busier week than expected. Some new things...
I did see that the new sedan began production last Monday, right on time (there's a link posted in the Malibu Discussion). However, personally, I don't plan on trekking to my Chevy dealer (to try out those adjustable pedals) until after Labor Day to be sure that one is on the showroom floor (my dealer had a ton of pre-orders and they'll all be gone right away). Remember that you can also use gmbuypower.com to check up on your local dealers' inventory before you head out the door.
While running around, did manage to pick up a copy of the Sept. Automobile magazine. Has some info on the Maxx. Turns out the 3.5 IS actually an "extensively reworked" 3.4. Hmmm... Also, despite your fears, it too states that the on-sale date for the Maxx is January, not March. I keep forgetting that the Miami Int'l Auto Show (one of the nation's first) will be here in early Nov. We know that a ton of sedans will be on the floor, but it'll be interesting to see if a pre-production Maxx is. I'm still curious about the luggage capacity story. Will let you all know after the Show.
Something else caught my eye in Automobile, for those interested. Not that I'm a fan of 4-cylinders, as you know, but the new Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback Ralliart is a small wagon, much larger than I thought, and is very good-looking (sort of like a mini-Volvo wagon). 2.4 litre, 162 hp. For those that can't wait for a Maxx, might be something to look at. But, let's not get off on a tangent discussing Mitsus...
Btw, feel free to share your thoughts about the new Lancer wagon in our 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer discussion. We could use some more opinions over there. ;-)
I have the Sept. 03' copy of Automobile. States that the Malibu Maxx goes on sale in January- which means pre-orders might be taken around November-December for the first couple thousand cars produced. The DVD entertainment system looks great- checked it out on Edmunds.
harry: thanks for the info about GMbuyingpower.com. I will indeed go there to check out the inventory of my local (incompetant) Chevy dealer. I'm sure glad they are not my UBS dealer. I have to go elsewhere to buy my Maxx, although I will get my warranty work done at the local place. I have talked with the local Chevy service manager twice (regarding bringing my Vibe there for service since GM was to allow any GM owners to go to any GM facility to get work done), and he at least had a brain in his head, unlike the salesmen working the showroom.
This car is awesome! I don't mean that compared to exotics, but it's about time we got a good sized, well equipped, well priced station wagon. It is pretty cool how the seats can move far back, and if I convince my family to get it, I'd get the DVD player! My wife wants an SUV or Minivan, but this is at least 5 times nicer. I give Chevy a congratulations on their wonderful new "extended sedan". I hope I can convince my family to get it! :-)
Just wondering, do Skylights tend to take up head room like sunroofs? I would think not since they don't nedd a lip to open, but do they? I am definitely not getting the sunroof on it, but I'll have to get the Skylight, which is actually pretty cool, because it's standard.
Sky light should not take any head room, it doesn't open.
I'm in the same boat as you. My wife wants a small SUV but I don't want to pay for the insurance on one. I'm hoping I can sell her on the idea of the Maxx. She says right now she will take a look when they come out.
Last night, reread the Sept. Automobile article on the Malibu & Maxx. Glad I did, because I overlooked something very important the first time through. Was gunning for a Maxx LT simply because it's easier to clean up leather after the dog's muddy feet. Well, the best laid plans... Had been wondering what the heck UltraLux is, and now I know. It's not some sort of fortified vinyl as I'd assumed. Anyone remember UltraSuede? UltraLux is GM's term for UltraSuede. And the seats are 75% UltraLux! Me thinks it'd be better to stick with the LS (Custom Cloth), since suede is a bear to clean. So, guess I'll save some money and go with an LS.
Note to maxx4me: So, I guess we'll be driving the same vehicle, except that I'll wait for the juicy rebates closer to the end of the model year. Also, maxx, note that you copied down the dealer vehicle inventory website incorrectly. It's gmbuypower.com, not gmbuyingpower.com.
he, he, he...you are correct. It took me a while to figure out what I had done wrong, especially when gmbuyingpower.com is a bonified web site. Thanks again. I actually learned something new about the Malibu myself (despite 8 months of maticulous reseaerch). The Malibu and Maxx will indeed have a stainless steel exhause system.
Leather & suede (mostly suede) seats are standard on the LT, custom cloth on the LS (can't get the former on the LS). Can't get leather seats (like I have on my '98) without the suede. Guess GM thinks suede is a step-up. There IS a chance, however remote, that UltraLux has some easy-to-clean attribute, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Knew the loaded Maxx LT would clear $27 grand. Not too much, WAY too much. But if they're pricing in a $3000 rebate, which I think they are, then it's OK. But you'll have to wait 6 months to see that kind of rebate...
Like Revka, I too was intrigued by the HHR until I found out it's only available with a 4-cylinder. Supposedly based on the new Malibu, so don't know why no V6. In any event, it won't be out until at least the '05 model year.
The GM media site is www.media.gm.com for those interested. I found it interesting last week that not a peep was mentioned about the sedan beginning production, but per the Malibu discussion, it first appeared on a Canadian site (since has been on the Car&Driver site). Also, for those just "catching up", another good site of note is www.chevy.com/fullthrottle. That site has all the info on soon-upcoming Chevys, and also where I got on a list last January which has resulted in my having received 2 brochures on the new Malibu (first one came Fed-X early in February!!). Since the full brochure is probably being printed right now, I doubt you can still sign up for the mailing list, but maybe not (?).
Before you all venture to the media site, I'll spoil the surprise. The Maxx begins arriving in dealerships in December! (can just hear some yelling). Better get a move on.
Based on the sedan options pricing, per Edmund's, without the rear audio and rear DVD (which I have no idea what the pricing on either will be), a fully loaded LS will sticker for $25,070 with a dealer cost of $22,900.
The only options I would add to the base is a remote starter and an MP3 compatible CD player (if available). The base car has every option I would want and then some. Don't expect to see 0-60 anytime soon though, GM will be trying hard to keep incentives down and with the economy getting better I suspect they may succeed.
Yes, maxx, you were the one I heard yelling in the distance. At least I'm the bearer of good news. Can't make heads or tails of your post, however. Guess it was the yelling....
Hi, dindak. Unfortunately, the remote starter only comes as part of option package 1SB (see the sedan pricing on Edmund's). MP3 on a Malibu, are you kidding?? For that matter, DVD Navigation on a Malibu??? Maybe in 10 years.
Looks like the '03 Honda Accord is going down in flames. I'm really in shock. That's why I'm staying close to home (i.e. Chevy).
Boy, talk about a busy day. Good thing I'm still slow re:work for another 2-3 weeks.
As far as the Miami Auto Show, the December release date nails that coffin shut and means that FOR SURE the Maxx will be there ("we ain't talking no small Auto Show"). So, for those that can wait to buy (like me), I'll for sure have impressions by mid-Nov.
As far as pre-ordering, maxx, I'll bet they start taking orders by Oct. 1, or sooner. That's why I said, better get a move on. You might have to drive a few hundred miles (or fly to KS) to check out the pedals pretty soon.
Will be interesting to see if the HHR ("High Heritage Retro", I think is what it stands for) will be Chevy's new "PT Cruiser". Sounds like it. Probably a good replacement for a Vibe that'll be shot by then, maxx.
My '03 Vibe shot in '06?? Geez, I hope Toyota builds better cars than that!! My posting was Simpson-esque. Note the Homer-like guy at the end. As for the Maxx, your comment about GM offering 3k in rebates only 6 months after initial production grabbed my attention. I doubt my Ford 626 will last that long however. I'll just have to enjoy my buying service price and drive one home right away. Besides, you need people like me to work out all the bugs before you buy. I did it with the Vibe (gas tank vapor recovery system), and I'll probably find something on the Maxx to alert everyone to as well.
You CAN get the remote start as a stand-alone option on the LS (it's the LT that has some options only available in a Preferred Equipment Group).
So, dindak, you're looking at $22,375 sticker, $20,524 cost. Not bad. Add in a $3,000 rebate (which, I disagree, they will have sooner rather than later; read a clip this week on the AutoWeek Web site that reveals that GM intends to keep rebates for a good long time. It moves buyers into more expensive vehicles and keeps the market share growing), and for $17,500 + tax + a bit of dealer profit, I'd say that's a darn good deal. If only my desire for gadgets wasn't such an issue....
Maxx, thought the Vibe was an '01, not an '03. How did you ever miss the rebates on that one. Actually, was just kidding about the HHR. Sounds like the 626 is mid-90's or older, so I doubt you'll be in the market for a while. Geez, 2 car payments. Better you than me. He,he.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Before you dig into me too badly, the Vibe was new for '03. Seems like it's been around for years. Guess it was introed in early '02 as an '03.
4-cylinder-only vehicles go in one ear and out the other.
I used to live in Florida. The Miami Auto show showed all the vehicles coming out December the same year or Jan/Feb/March the next. So it probably will appear there...
harry: that's right. we got one of the first Vibes made in January 02. I can't wait for any future rebates on the Maxx. I'll have to move quicker since I'm running out of duct tape to keep my 626's rack and pinion, exhaust, tranny...cranking along. Someone posted the other night about the 3.5 being a significantly retooled 3.4. I have not heard anything from regfootball on that issue since it was posted. Is that a good thing? Bad thing? Was the 3.4 any good? Tell me, oh GM gods, tell me.
Quick Notes: Haven't seen a post from reg anywhere recently. I'll be upgrading to AOL 9.0 at some point today, so if you don't hear from me for a while, you'll know what happened.
The 3.4L V-6 was an upgraded 3.1L V-6 (3.1 is in my car). Both are pretty good engines, although both have the same intake manifold glitch (the gaskets usually go around 50K miles or 5 years; mine have been replaced recently). Until I read a full road test on the new Malibu, it's hard to say what the upgrades with the 3.5 are, but I'd hope the intake manifold issue is history.
Don't consider the 3.5 an issue to worry about,IMO. I've seen many vehicles with 3.1s and 3.4s with over 100K miles on 'em.
Wpbharry mentioned the HHR would be based on the Malibu platform -- that's not true. Malibu is based on the mid-sized GM Epsilon platform, whereas the HHR is based on the smaller GM Delta platform. That's why it will get the Eco-Tech engine and not a V6.
Delta is being shared with the new Saturn ION and Chevrolet Cobalt (Opel's next Astra was to be based on it too, but they've carried over the existing architecture).
Upgrading to AOL 9? Do yourself a favor and get rid of AOL.
My mother in law has 144K kms on her 3.1 with no issues. The engines are are generally reliable. She drives a 100kms + a day so if it wasn't reliabile I'd hear about it.
(Aside from annual upgrade glitches, I'm very happy with AOL and its many exclusive features, thank you)
Dindak, I think we've discussed this before, but maybe in another forum, so for the benefit of this discussion....
In a way we agree, in that the Maxx may take off like a rocket and then forget any rebates (in which case maxx will laugh all the way to the bank). I do think the Maxx will increase showroom traffic for Chevy for a while at launch. But, once things settle down, in my opinion, I think the bulk of Maxx sales will come from Malibu sedan-intenders (like me) with a few "Camcord"-intenders thrown in. There is no way that soccer moms will abandon their beloved SUVs and minivans for a Maxx (sorry, IwannaMaxx). I think the rebates on the sedan will happen pretty quick, but the Maxx might take longer.
In my case, I can afford to wait for an early '05 if need be, and if no rebates by then, then "Plan B" will be to default to a Malibu sedan or Accord (if the Accord's problems are fixed). Since my dealer has already approached me on the topic, I'm counting on them giving me one heck of a deal, since this would be my 3rd in a row from them.
Let's see what excitement lurks in THIS AOL upgrade...
GM offers a whole lot of rebates. That is how I got my CTS for under $29K! Brand new and everything.... GM does a lot to get people out of there dealers with a new vehicle. If the Maxx gets a $5K rebate and the price ends up to $27K you'll get the top of the line for under $23K... That is a good deal.
Time will tell I guess. I certainly like getting a good deal and I'm in no rush so i could wait it out also. That said, I'm not sure I will get a Maxx, I still have not seen one and until I do it won't know it it will be on our shopping list.
I can imagine GM offering an incentive to push the new Malibu. I would not think it would be 3,000 dollars.That sounds way high for a new platform. I would think 1,000 to 1,500. You can't compare a CTS rebate to a Malibu rebate because the CTS cost way more. As far as 27.000 being too much,it depends on what's in it.People complain that we don't get nice small cars like in europe.Well they pay more for small cars with higher content and trim levels.
(Yes, I'm back. Don't know what the heck I'm doing. AOL 9.0 is a lot different. Looks good so far. The press says it takes AOL back to the top of the heap.)
My beef with the pricing on the Malibu is that it's a Chevy. I don't care if it launches with not one problem, it's a Chevy. And priced scaringly close to an Accord. Yes, the '03 Accord is a mess, but the resale market doesn't seem to care. The new Malibu won't hold its value any better than mine, which is to say, not too well. To the unwashed folk, a Malibu is a Malibu and they could care less which generation it is. If they try to get away without any rebates and keep the pricing too high, do you think the trade-in value of my '98 will increase??
The new '04 Grand Prix lasted exactly 3 months before a $1000 rebate (don't know what it is now). I don't think it's included in SummerDrive2, since it's an '04. Next summer, ALL '04s should be included, and that's what my sights are set on. By the way, the Maxx will be an '04, even though it's coming out late.
for the Malibu and Malibu Maxx is spelled I-M-P-A-L-A. Even though its a good car and sells in the top 10 due to fleet sales, according to the Sales Mgr. at my dealership, they have trouble moving the LSs (priced in the mid to high 20s) even WITH a $3,000 rebate (the base models - $22-24 pre-rebate - apparently "fly out of there"). Last time I was in for service, I laughed out loud when I looked at an Impala LS priced at $27 with no sunroof and only an (optional) driver's side airbag (for cripes sake, Chevy hasn't even bothered to make dual side airbags standard over the years); granted it had everything else. Now, when Mr. or Ms. New Chevy Buyer walks into the showroom and sees an Impala LS going for $24 after the rebate and then sees a Malibu at $25 with no rebate, guess what'll happen?
Funny aside: I discovered earlier this week that the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office just took delivery of a large fleet of '03 Malibus to be used for "low-duty" work. Since my car is white, it's humorous to think that in a rearview mirror, other drivers might think I'm the heat. Fun!
harry: cop cars for sale to the public should be outlawed (8 ^ (l) How dare I have to use my brakes every time I see one!! I intend on keeping my Ford 626 as long as I can to take advantage of these juicey rebates you are talking about. I doubt I'll ever see them with the Maxx. In fact, I'll bet AOL goes out of business before the Maxx has a rebate!!! LOL
I was thinking that GM should bring a 245 hp V-6 engine to the Malibu and Malibu Maxx. Then add a navi system optional to the features and add dual side airbags standard. That'll do good competing.
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I did see that the new sedan began production last Monday, right on time (there's a link posted in the Malibu Discussion). However, personally, I don't plan on trekking to my Chevy dealer (to try out those adjustable pedals) until after Labor Day to be sure that one is on the showroom floor (my dealer had a ton of pre-orders and they'll all be gone right away). Remember that you can also use gmbuypower.com to check up on your local dealers' inventory before you head out the door.
While running around, did manage to pick up a copy of the Sept. Automobile magazine. Has some info on the Maxx. Turns out the 3.5 IS actually an "extensively reworked" 3.4. Hmmm... Also, despite your fears, it too states that the on-sale date for the Maxx is January, not March. I keep forgetting that the Miami Int'l Auto Show (one of the nation's first) will be here in early Nov. We know that a ton of sedans will be on the floor, but it'll be interesting to see if a pre-production Maxx is. I'm still curious about the luggage capacity story. Will let you all know after the Show.
Something else caught my eye in Automobile, for those interested. Not that I'm a fan of 4-cylinders, as you know, but the new Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback Ralliart is a small wagon, much larger than I thought, and is very good-looking (sort of like a mini-Volvo wagon). 2.4 litre, 162 hp. For those that can't wait for a Maxx, might be something to look at. But, let's not get off on a tangent discussing Mitsus...
Harry
Btw, feel free to share your thoughts about the new Lancer wagon in our 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer discussion. We could use some more opinions over there. ;-)
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I'm in the same boat as you. My wife wants a small SUV but I don't want to pay for the insurance on one. I'm hoping I can sell her on the idea of the Maxx. She says right now she will take a look when they come out.
Note to maxx4me: So, I guess we'll be driving the same vehicle, except that I'll wait for the juicy rebates closer to the end of the model year. Also, maxx, note that you copied down the dealer vehicle inventory website incorrectly. It's gmbuypower.com, not gmbuyingpower.com.
Harry
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And now, back to the subject of the Chevy Malibu Maxx. Thanks for your participation!
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Maxx LS 22225
LT 24725
loaded LT $27075
Like Revka, I too was intrigued by the HHR until I found out it's only available with a 4-cylinder. Supposedly based on the new Malibu, so don't know why no V6. In any event, it won't be out until at least the '05 model year.
The GM media site is www.media.gm.com for those interested. I found it interesting last week that not a peep was mentioned about the sedan beginning production, but per the Malibu discussion, it first appeared on a Canadian site (since has been on the Car&Driver site). Also, for those just "catching up", another good site of note is www.chevy.com/fullthrottle. That site has all the info on soon-upcoming Chevys, and also where I got on a list last January which has resulted in my having received 2 brochures on the new Malibu (first one came Fed-X early in February!!). Since the full brochure is probably being printed right now, I doubt you can still sign up for the mailing list, but maybe not (?).
Based on the sedan options pricing, per Edmund's, without the rear audio and rear DVD (which I have no idea what the pricing on either will be), a fully loaded LS will sticker for $25,070 with a dealer cost of $22,900.
December was a nice surprise!
Revka: mmmmm, Wagonnnns......hlthhllll (8 ^ (l)
Hi, dindak. Unfortunately, the remote starter only comes as part of option package 1SB (see the sedan pricing on Edmund's). MP3 on a Malibu, are you kidding?? For that matter, DVD Navigation on a Malibu??? Maybe in 10 years.
Looks like the '03 Honda Accord is going down in flames. I'm really in shock. That's why I'm staying close to home (i.e. Chevy).
As far as the Miami Auto Show, the December release date nails that coffin shut and means that FOR SURE the Maxx will be there ("we ain't talking no small Auto Show"). So, for those that can wait to buy (like me), I'll for sure have impressions by mid-Nov.
As far as pre-ordering, maxx, I'll bet they start taking orders by Oct. 1, or sooner. That's why I said, better get a move on. You might have to drive a few hundred miles (or fly to KS) to check out the pedals pretty soon.
Will be interesting to see if the HHR ("High Heritage Retro", I think is what it stands for) will be Chevy's new "PT Cruiser". Sounds like it. Probably a good replacement for a Vibe that'll be shot by then, maxx.
So, dindak, you're looking at $22,375 sticker, $20,524 cost. Not bad. Add in a $3,000 rebate (which, I disagree, they will have sooner rather than later; read a clip this week on the AutoWeek Web site that reveals that GM intends to keep rebates for a good long time. It moves buyers into more expensive vehicles and keeps the market share growing), and for $17,500 + tax + a bit of dealer profit, I'd say that's a darn good deal. If only my desire for gadgets wasn't such an issue....
Maxx, thought the Vibe was an '01, not an '03. How did you ever miss the rebates on that one. Actually, was just kidding about the HHR. Sounds like the 626 is mid-90's or older, so I doubt you'll be in the market for a while. Geez, 2 car payments. Better you than me. He,he.
4-cylinder-only vehicles go in one ear and out the other.
wpbharry : A lot of GM vehicles are offering MP3 upgrades on CD players for 04. I don't think it's far fetched at all?
As for pricing, not sure yet what CDN $ will come out to be, nothing yet. Don't hold your breath for 0-60. If it's a hot vehicle you will not see it.
The 3.4L V-6 was an upgraded 3.1L V-6 (3.1 is in my car). Both are pretty good engines, although both have the same intake manifold glitch (the gaskets usually go around 50K miles or 5 years; mine have been replaced recently). Until I read a full road test on the new Malibu, it's hard to say what the upgrades with the 3.5 are, but I'd hope the intake manifold issue is history.
Don't consider the 3.5 an issue to worry about,IMO. I've seen many vehicles with 3.1s and 3.4s with over 100K miles on 'em.
Harry
Delta is being shared with the new Saturn ION and Chevrolet Cobalt (Opel's next Astra was to be based on it too, but they've carried over the existing architecture).
My mother in law has 144K kms on her 3.1 with no issues. The engines are are generally reliable. She drives a 100kms + a day so if it wasn't reliabile I'd hear about it.
Dindak, I think we've discussed this before, but maybe in another forum, so for the benefit of this discussion....
In a way we agree, in that the Maxx may take off like a rocket and then forget any rebates (in which case maxx will laugh all the way to the bank). I do think the Maxx will increase showroom traffic for Chevy for a while at launch. But, once things settle down, in my opinion, I think the bulk of Maxx sales will come from Malibu sedan-intenders (like me) with a few "Camcord"-intenders thrown in. There is no way that soccer moms will abandon their beloved SUVs and minivans for a Maxx (sorry, IwannaMaxx). I think the rebates on the sedan will happen pretty quick, but the Maxx might take longer.
In my case, I can afford to wait for an early '05 if need be, and if no rebates by then, then "Plan B" will be to default to a Malibu sedan or Accord (if the Accord's problems are fixed). Since my dealer has already approached me on the topic, I'm counting on them giving me one heck of a deal, since this would be my 3rd in a row from them.
Let's see what excitement lurks in THIS AOL upgrade...
The 0-60 type deals can't last forever.
MSRP doesn't really mean anything any more.
-juice
My beef with the pricing on the Malibu is that it's a Chevy. I don't care if it launches with not one problem, it's a Chevy. And priced scaringly close to an Accord. Yes, the '03 Accord is a mess, but the resale market doesn't seem to care. The new Malibu won't hold its value any better than mine, which is to say, not too well. To the unwashed folk, a Malibu is a Malibu and they could care less which generation it is. If they try to get away without any rebates and keep the pricing too high, do you think the trade-in value of my '98 will increase??
The new '04 Grand Prix lasted exactly 3 months before a $1000 rebate (don't know what it is now). I don't think it's included in SummerDrive2, since it's an '04. Next summer, ALL '04s should be included, and that's what my sights are set on. By the way, the Maxx will be an '04, even though it's coming out late.
Harry
I-M-P-A-L-A. Even though its a good car and sells in the top 10 due to fleet sales, according to the Sales Mgr. at my dealership, they have trouble moving the LSs (priced in the mid to high 20s) even WITH a $3,000 rebate (the base models - $22-24 pre-rebate - apparently "fly out of there"). Last time I was in for service, I laughed out loud when I looked at an Impala LS priced at $27 with no sunroof and only an (optional) driver's side airbag (for cripes sake, Chevy hasn't even bothered to make dual side airbags standard over the years); granted it had everything else. Now, when Mr. or Ms. New Chevy Buyer walks into the showroom and sees an Impala LS going for $24 after the rebate and then sees a Malibu at $25 with no rebate, guess what'll happen?
Funny aside: I discovered earlier this week that the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office just took delivery of a large fleet of '03 Malibus to be used for "low-duty" work. Since my car is white, it's humorous to think that in a rearview mirror, other drivers might think I'm the heat. Fun!
How dare I have to use my brakes every time I see one!!
I intend on keeping my Ford 626 as long as I can to take advantage of these juicey rebates you are talking about. I doubt I'll ever see them with the Maxx. In fact, I'll bet AOL goes out of business before the Maxx has a rebate!!! LOL
wpbharry : No one is saying there won't be incentives on the Maxx. Just don't expect them right away and don't expect 0-60 type stuff for a long time.
http://www.media.gm.com
LT sedan models definitely have 4 wheel discs (Maxx also but I knew that).
Harry