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logic : I believe I read it will have a 3.3 or 3.4L version of the CTS motor.
wpbharry : I like the new GP a lot except the patterns on the cloth which I don't find attractive. Leather option is nice though!
It's too disguised for a final judgement, though.
-juice
Insane. You're not far from an A4 at those prices, or a base CTS even.
-juice
The GP I priced for myself is a GT2 and not a GTP. The price (sticker) was around $26,500 (yes, with leather, dindak). I agree that GM does inch prices up little by little, but it'd never hit $30K this model year. The current rebate is actually $1500, with another $1000 for GM owner loyalty, so another $1500 might appear before long. Actual purchase price would be more like $22,000, based on $2500 cash back. But, it's still my 2nd choice. Will wait to see what happens with the Malibu and Maxx.
What on earth is Chevy doing? Outpricing Pontiac? With less to offer? Now I'm looking at the Malibu and Maxx prices in a different light, as in they're out of their minds...
-juice
Should be able to get the $26500 GT2 for around $21-22K cash price.
...are you following me around? See your posts in the Accord discussions and the Grand Prix discussions. Or are we just on the same track? Thought maxx4me was for a while too, but bet he's on vacation this week (to take advantage of the long weekend, which a lot of folks are). (Disappointed; thought he actually went to Kansas City, yeah right).
Let's not succumb to reg's "charms" and think about a CTS. Nice car, though.
Reg: This one you can't dispute. Your "dream car" is a 'Vette, and it has pushrods. What's the deal with that, buddy???
Since I'm in FL, I tend to get the mags late (only subscribe to MT and C&D). Has anyone rec'd their 10/03 C&D or R&T? They are both (as well as MT) the annual "New Car Issues" and might well be late because of that. AND, I'll bet there's the first ad for the new Bu in all of them.. Can't wait to see how Chevy advertises it. I'll cross-post in the Malibu discussion to get attention over there, too.
Harry
Contrast that with the v6 pushrod engines GM fests on the public. Iron blocks, one is a 90 degree design. The output per litre is pathetic in relation to the Vette's mill. More noise and vibration and harshness than almost all competitors. What that says to me is the GM pushrod v6's receive little of the same attention that the Corvette mill does.
In theory, the 3800 is a 3/4 version of the Corvette motor. So why doesn't it put out 3/4 the power? Can't use MPG as an excuse....the Corvette gets decent mpg as well.
The 3800 should be able to put out at least 2/3 if not 3/4 the power WITHOUT a supercharger. If it was optimally engineered. Its not, so it only has 200 measly hp for 3.8 litres of displacement and not 270 like it should have for an engine its size.
ateixera, check the back seats on the A4 and Grand Prix. Not much difference in size.....the A4 looks to be more comfy and higher seat cushion too. People narc on Audi interior size, but the current A4 and Grand Prix are not significantly far apart, and the Audi manages to do so without the huge inefficient front and rear overhangs the general's cars typically has.
BTW, I saw a used CTS today an 03 with 7k miles on it and stick in black for 25,500. If it didn't have the Opel motor in it I might be all over it like stink on dung. Oh wait, no sunroof.
wpbharry : My main interest is sedans but our next vehicle will most likely be an SUV, van or some hybrid like the Maxx. Who knows though, it's at least a year off.
Reg: New baby and all (at your age, I'm early 40s, bet you ain't far off); don't know if this is the first, but get a Kia Rio Cinco (no pushrods!!) and then after it's paid off, have some fun. But the wife will want a Caddy Escalade. You deserve it, pushrods and all.
dindak: Not sure of your situation either. Granted this ain't a discussion about family situations, but if you're STILL wavering about the SUV and minivan bit, dude make up your mind and leave us alone. If it's the wife nagging you, it'll NEVER be a Maxx.
My situation lends me to either an SUV-alternative or a mid-size sedan.
Harry
All to replace a 2000 Impala LS with 131,000 miles (which replaced a 98 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP).
All I know is that I do NOT want a sunroof, leather or a boring car. And four doors, minimum, is a requirement, as is the ability to drive comfortably 800 miles a day (rarely, but it happens).
Will the Malibu Maxx fill the bill? We shall see.
Just can't imagine in this day and age that folks would be all over the map.
John, NOW we know about your vehicle. Mighty impressive. AND the fact that a GP was it's predecessor. You're hired as my new advisor. PLEASE stay in touch with this forum.
Sure you're in the GP forum as well, and most likely the Impala forum (don't want an Impala). What's your take so far on the chances of getting into a new Bu (much smaller than you're used to)??
Harry
The Bu I want to look at and see. If I were to go that small, I could see me in a Mazda3 Sport or even a WRX before then. Somehow, I doubt I get that little (and I didn't even mention a Mini Cooper!)
I am usually far more decisive than this. I bought the Impala for its high mileage durability that was reportedly designed in (cop car use). Now, given my long trips, I see myself trading it or selling it in the next six months. Did I also mention a slight interest in the Ford Five Hundred?
I am so confused, in a good way!
wpbharry : Showed my wife the Maxx and she thought it looked good. She didn't shoot it down so it's a possibility.
John: I made a big mistake, possibly. Switched the old GM Card over to the new one, which limits the amount you can redeem (was $1000 on the '03 Bu), but doesn't limit the amount you can accrue.
I have over $3000 on it right now, $1900 of it "grandfathered", and I'll bet the first thing that they take out is out of the $1900, limited by the amount you can cash in.
In any event, I get a free extended warranty, and you will too. Comparing the Honda Accord LX V-6 with the Malibu LT or Maxx LS or Grand Prix GT2, they're all a wash with $3,000 (hoped for) rebates on the GM products, but you'd have to spend another $1G for the warranty on the Accord. But you'd get a ton of more goodies (leather, sunroof, etc.) on most of the GMs. With the new Accord not doing so well, I'm inclined to go GM.
Expect the resale value on the Accord would be at least $3,000 more in 4 or 5 years, so it does make it a bit tough to decide.
The Malibu LT, loaded, is actually $25,575. That's big bucks. Agree that it's a relative bargain over the [non-permissible content removed], but resale is the unknown.
The Maxx LS, as I've said before, is a winner, but also over $25K with the stuff I want. Resale on it is probably going to be higher (let's hope).
Harry
That reeks of cheesiness just like 'professional grade'! LOL! What kind of complete idiots work in GM marketing anyways!
Wait a minute, Ultralux, they make vacuums right?
The new pics of the upcoming 9-3 sport hatch is my current fave......probably won't be here for a long time though....
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=00088789
Mazda uses an umbrella theme, as does Honda and Lexus. Why shouldn't Chevrolet?
BUT, it seems every time I turn on the TV (home now for the long wknd), its one of 2 things:
"This message has been approved for viewing audiences. Chevrolet presents Summerdrive2: The Max" (oh please) or "Living In America" (GP ad with the lease deal) (oh please).
Rebates on the new Bu are on the way!!! Yippie!!!
baseball, hotdogs, applepie and chevrolet..........baseball, hotdogs, applepie and chevrolet..........baseball, hotdogs, applepie and chevrolet..........
heartbeat of america.....
FIRE ALL OF GM MARKETING AND ADVERTISING!
I think "The Heartbeat of America" might be the solution....
Harry
Reg: They need to hire you as creative/marketing director. But, then, you'd have to drive a pushrod. You'd handle it, at $200K a year. Just remember us little folks.
And also remember we need the rebates on the Bu&Maxx. Until you get up to speed.
Harry
Basically, Ford will play a country music song and say "Texans prefer Ford F-150" and then GM will play a country song and say "Texas is Chevy Country!" Granted, it's focusing on the core demographic, but still.
Give me a few hours to digest. ON THE COVER!! Did see quickly that the "fold out" is F-150. Can't blame Ford. Live or die with that.
Have a few, I'll be back.
Harry
C&D proclaims the new Bu "another rental car" (with a few more positives) but gives the Maxx a sidebar which is a bit (however small) more encouraging.
On with the rebates!!!
Har
300,000 per year? In my dreams.
Harry
I'll have to check it out at the news stand tomorrow.
Did they have anything nice to say or did they roast it?
C&D wasn't that bad. See what you all think. Don't think an endorsement, but (you all know how I exaggerate at times), it wasn't that bad. The pix are UGLY. I want orange fusion; silver on it is terrible.
Let me ask this, did C/D roast the bu they way they roasted the Ion? That is, not necessarily burnt to a crisp, but charred and smoldering?
The ION review was really bad; kind of "middling" so far on the Bu.
If you don't subscribe, don't rush out to the newsstands tomorrow. It'll be at least a week before it hits. I'm VERY surprised that it's here already.
Har
Title: "Just Don't Call It a Rental Car", by fred M.H. Gregory
(Here goes Reg into lala land)
"GM has been trying to biuld a "European car" for nearly as long as the Chicago Cubs have been trying to win another World Series, and with about as much success. "European" in this sense implies an exemplary degree of style, quality, performance, and -- technical virtuosity -- think most German cars. Over the years, GMs efforts to emulate these elusive qualities have mostly produced such excremental vehicles as the Cadillac Cimmarron, to cite the worst example.
GM is trying once again, touting the 2004 Chevrolet Malibu as its latest European. But this time, instead of attempting to re-create a European car, (oh Reg) GM simply crossed the Atlantic and snatched one from the cradle at Opel, its German subsidiary. (I'm laughing too hard at he moment to continue. Will in a few.)
Har
...The paltorm, called the Epsilon, got its babtism in the Opel Vectra and Saab 9-3. GM then spent a reported $722 million (which includes a complete retooling of its Fairfax, Kansas assembly plant) to adapt the Epsilon for the US market.
This article is WAY too long, and I'm not a great typist. so that's it. Sorry.