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You will ***probably*** get more for your used car if you sell it yourself but maybe not. You might advertise it for a month with no takers. If it's something unpopular you may never get a call.
There is hassle and risk involved that some people just don't want to deal with.
And in states like ours there is a sales tax credit that can be substancial. We have a whopping 9.2 % sales tax on cars. this means if we were to give you 10,000 for your trade in, you would have to sell it yourself for 920.00 more not counting the hassle factor.
" You will pay less for the CR-V if you don't have a trade in"
You lost me there. I have no idea what kind of a store you worked in!
Korean cars depreciate worse than domestics do!
2008 Honda CR-V LX List $21,335 +$99 Splash Guards= $21,434
OUT THE DOOR $19,482 no doc fee
Just brought one home tonight and this is the breakdown..
08- EX-L AWD w/ Navi MSRP 29,035
Price: 27,100 ( inc Dest, dealer add-on BS for Doc & Business tax)
tax: 1,973 ( our local sales tax.. nothing can do here)
temptag 5
Total 29,082 ( actually paid )
I did not purchase any extras like ( warrantee, oil change, low-jack etc)
The car had the normal Dealer add on profit items (Mud flaps, wheel locks, paint sealant). To me all of these are major profit items. I am not 100% sure that the paint protectant is a bad gig. This dealers price was less than some others.
In any case they really did not want to go here (typical). The way I see it I still paid a bit over DI according to Edmunds (27.033) however they did meet the price I planned on offering. I thought I did about as good as I could given the rarity of the EX-L's at this point, however it APPEARS others have managed to dip below DI but I am unable to determine from most if they included all fees etc..
BTW There is a 2% holdback on these cars so these guys are making $$ even if they do drop below advertised delear invoice.
Good luck with your dealings. I am interested in how yours progress.
It's 2% on ALL Hondas and it sure doesn't fall to the bottom line as evil profit. It HELPS pay some of the bank flooring costs.
I won't attempt to bore anyone by talking about the trememdous overhead we pay just to open our doors every month.
Besides, it always the MARKET that determines pricing, not what a dealer happened to pay for the car.
Please carry on....
Wishing I had some 2008 EXL's to sell!
1. base price + destination charge + tax + license fee = $19,482
if possible which state?
Thanks,
"2008 Honda CR-V LX List $21,335 (includes destination) +$99 Splash Guards= $21,434
OUT THE DOOR $19,482 no doc fee"
I need your opinions on the AWD in CR-V.
Even for people living in the NorthEast, Do you thinks AWD is worth $1000.00+worse MPG+possible headaches if the AWD system breaks down etc?
Some people argue AWD is not safer ant all.
I 've never had 4WD/AWD, but no problem getting around in snow in a 4door sedan.
For those of who have AWD cars, do they help in the winter in NE?
I was SO GLAD last winter that our CRV has 4WD! That car was unstoppable!
You won't have any "headaches" with 4WD. These never cause trouble and the gas mileage difference you won't even notice.
By all means, don't even THINK of buying a 2WD with a CRV where you live!
If you are in snow states like IL, NJ, NY it make sense to get 4WD but it has problems in differential fluids in 2007 model. what 4WD will do is if your front wheel is in slippery position rear wheel will help getting car out of that position but not guaranteed to move forward (just to give you peace of mind)
I have 2WD LX and live in CA so no need for 4WD. I think ABS, Vehicle security and side air bags and beams make me feel good about this car.
Also I have no idea what you are talking about with diff. fluid problems?? I checked and our Service Dept said they had never heard of a problem.
Just change the diff. fluid every 30,000 miles or so.
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You also said your service dept. had no knowledge of the CRV A/C problems!!!! I am not trying to be a smart a--...but just because your service dept. has no knowledge of a particular problem, that doesn"t mean there is not a problem.
I have a 2007 CRV with NO problems, but I follow the SUV CRV forums, as you evidently do, also...but you evidently don't read the problem areas.
NORTSR
Someone without a problem will read of a "problem" and suddenly they too, are affected. People with problems real or not are attracted like a magnet!
CRV's do NOT have rear differental problems. Oh, I'm sure given the huge numbers of CRV's on the road, SOME have had trouble but the majority of the troubles are caused by not changing the fluid ofen enough.
Any Honda tech will tell you that 90,000 is too long and 30,000 miles is better. Honda may have goofed up by reccommending such a long interval.
Even so, the noise almost always go's away when the unit is flushed so it isn't that big of a deal. Another Tempest in a Teapot.
But, hey, if scares someone away, oh well.
As far as the A/C compressor problem. I'll same thing applies. Sure, some people have had some isolated problems I'm sure. WE, however haven't seen this.
It's like you think I'm lying or something.
Is this a good deal? In general, is extended warranty necessary for a CR-V? Please share your opnion. I have 30 days to cancel it.
Thanks a lot!
Change the fluid every 30K and you'll be fine.
Do you consider that a "problem"?
guys take it easy people in east coast with cars (sedan and vans) don't have 4WD. I know SUV has rollover problems but honda has put VSS as built in. If 4WD was must all vehicle sold in east coast should have 4WD. Also without 4WD you can't sell your car because nobody will buy it as if cars don’t stay on road without 4WD.
when you add something to car maintenance will come into picture. Even my Nissan maxima has coil problem after 8 years of use (spend around $700 to change). I am not saying maxima is bad car because of one problem but you take it or leave it.
BTW host has point to the thread where so many differential fluid problems where reported for 06 models but 08 time will tell.
I am not bashing 4WD nor in love with 2WD but purchase 2WD according to my needs.
I would like to get a Honda CRV to replace this vehicle even if I loose money. I don't think I can sell to a private party since it's worth considerably less. I'm in Los Angeles.
I was hoping to get some advice on how to buy a new '08 civic. I don't understand dealer holdbacks and other terminology, any advice while i'm inside the finance office? I also don't understand invoice. Any advice with a trade that will be upside down.
I can't wait for the day when i can just swing into a parking spot without needing to straighten out the vehicle and park. sigh..
Also, I read a review for the crv that this vehicle is designed for women buyers. Any problems with a dude driving this thing?
deperate in los angeles.
I have been reading and posting on Edmunds for several years and am a big fan of yours as to the advice and honesty of your posts. In fact, if I lived near your dealership I would have purchased my 2007 Honda CRV EXL from you, however; I live in Florida and NJ, so that was out of the question.
The Edmunds forums are very informative .... a lot of people that never post...DO POST when they have a problem (certainly a lot more than if they never have a problem).
I have to agree with you that of the thousands upon thousands of Hondas sold, most of them ar PROBLEM FREE!!!
Someone will have a problem and others will quickly chime in with thier "me too" tales of woe that cause many of us to jump to the conclusion that a major problem exists.
I never said problems don't happen. They do with ANY make and model and I never said the problems weren't real. I just said they represented a very small percentage of production.
Significant? If 2% of owners have a problem, that qualifies.
If we get 50 CarSpace members that have problems with their rear differential, then that is significant. If we get 100 or more that have their A/C compressors fail, that is significant. We are a very small part of the motoring universe. You can't just pull up our forums and start posting... you have to join. If that many people are complaining about a specific problem, you can bet that there is an issue.
Just because it hasn't happened or doesn't happen to your CR-V, has no statistical significance at all. As far as your service department? I don't believe they've ever had a problem with any Honda. At least it sure reads that way..
I'm a die-hard Honda fan.. I would recommend a CR-V without reservation.. But, they can have issues, just like any other car... And, if you see a discussion here on CarSpace dedicated to one particular problem, you can bet it's real. No one has the time to post about a problem they don't have. I'm betting against mass hysteria.
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I really didn't appreciate your post to me. I have always tried to be upfront and honest in everything I ever post.
If it requires a trip to the dealer, and an unscheduled service, then it's a defect... No matter how easily it is fixed. Not only that.. anything mechanical that is making an unwelcome noise, that is fixed with a fluid change... would make me nervous.
I don't doubt your sincerity, but down-playing someone else's problem is not what anyone needs to hear. These problems aren't "imaginary" (note the quotes).
Your honesty is not in question.... No one else's should be, either..
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The internet is a powerful tool but it is easy to jump to conclusions and assume minor problems are catastrophic or affect more than a very small percentage of the cars.
P.S. I'm the same guy who jumped in when Toyota (my main competition) was being blasted for their "sludge problems"...remember?
What's the real story with the delay and when are they really scheduled to be available?
Thanks.
It's not like we've got a bunch of 2007 EXL's in stock because we don't!
Being a Honda employee, what are you hearing as the actual reason for the delay? Is it a parts issue? Why is it just the EX-L's?
I haven't been to many dealers in person recently, but I see a TON of ads in the LA Times Sunday paper for Honda dealers touting plenty of LX's. Why are the EX-L's in particular so delayed?
That's my big issue - What is the big problem with the EX-L's w/o Navi in particular. Why is this model so long delayed? Are there problems with it that are being worked on??
Why is this particular model so scarce? As isellhondas mentioned, the dealers here also do not have any '07 EX-L's left to sell, so why is there NO inventory available in a city like Los Angeles where I can choose from probably close to one hundred Honda dealers from Central California to the San Diego area - all within a two or three hour drive from here.
What is the problem and why is it so "mysterious?"
Taking matters into my own hands I got really lucky and found White EX-L w/ Nav on a local dealers lot. BINGO...Took a look.. Liked it didn't need the AWD but was not going to turn it down for the right price. The dealer I purchased from made the statement that the AWD do not sell as well in the mid-south so maybe that helped the price a bit.
Either way they still made money and a friendly sales dude said they average about $1k over Dealer Inv for the CR-V's.. There are forum posts that appear to have folks getting some awesome DI or lower deals, however I have had a hard time if that was inclusive or excluding the "other fees".
I dispise the dealers attempt at the high $$ add-ons. don't take me wrong.. Some are nice and dress it up, but the price is way more then the cost and really jerks the buyer around. I.e. The paint sealant. Every dealer seems to have their own special sauce Appearance package ranging from $200 to $800 with the promise of a "warrantee" if anything ever harms the paint.. Well that sounds great but sounds to me like an insurance policy and some wax. Honda builds great cars and if the designers felt that the extra protection was warranted then the factory would have applied it. ( My thoughts anyway)..
What has been the range of the quotes you received?
thx
Also, and additional question: I have a 2002 CR-V now. Love it, except for it being noisy on the freeway. Is the new model much quieter? I have heard that it is, but only from the salesmen, and it would be great to hear from others who have driven both the last model and the current model.
The EXL's don't sell as well as the EX-cloth cars so maybe they ae trying to produce the best sellers first?
I don't know but if I hear anything, I'll report it.
I lived by the ocean so I didn't care!
Two dealerships called same delivery timeframe, and one, which gave best quote, said they expect one in late November and can sell it to me. However my wife wants the car to be royal blue pearl or at least black
He did not ask for any deposit and did not give VIN number, so I assume he is not sure at all he can actually do it. At least I know he is a honest one, because I know sometimes they ask you for the deposit and then keep feeding the promises.
We are going to wait until the end of the month, then if there is no car, we will put new tires on my wife's Civic and forget about CR-V for 7-8 months. I hope by that time they will have EX-L w/Navi sitting on their lots.
Good luck !
I really didn't leverage myself that well because my original intent was just to stop by there and see the Costco pricing on this vehicle then walk out of the dealership. I saw the Costco pricing on the 08 EX-L and it was ...I believe it was $1500 over invoice. I didn't like that price.
They had no EX-Ls on the lot and only one coming in a couple of weeks later. So the vehicle is very limited in quantity. We began talking about the vehicle that was to be delivered and I figured what the heck let's talk. After some negotiation I purchased a 2008 EX-L with Navigation with the following options:
- Tinted Windows
- Mud Guards
- Wheel Locks
- Roof Rack
- All Season Mats
- Cargo Tray
Price including destination was $28,218.16 this price does not include tax and title.
I dealt with John Mann (salesman) so if you do purchase your vehicle from him let me know as he will give me a referral payout.
Overall I thought it was a fair price not drop your pants awesome but fair.