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The short answer is that Danno is correct. If a display is controlled by an interlocked device (such as only in PARK). It is legal in CA.
VSA goes beyond traction control. It fights to prevent sudden yaw rate change by selectively braking one of the four tires automatically and quickly to counter yaw rate change. It also cuts engine output as well for braking to be effective. Sudden yaw change happens when your vehicle starts to spin such as skidding on snow, approaching curve too fast etc. Just to add my thoughts.
If you buy an Odyssey with NAV and have the dealer install the factory DVD RES for $2K+tax, the DVD player will also be on the front dash, but in the slot of the coin holder and the DVD screen will be on the ceiling.
The NAV screen and DVD RES screen are two different screens.
The question is, where is the dvd PLAYER, NOT the screen, located on the new Odyssey?
On the Sienna, the dvd player is combined with the DVD screen, so BOTH the dvd player and dvd screen are mounted on the ceiling.
But on the MDX, the dvd player is up front at the bottom of the front dash; on the Lexus LX and GX, the dvd player is mounted in the center console.
I prefer having EVERYTHING, except for the REAR dvd screen, on the dash. For one thing, it looks very cool. Second, it is more convenient.
On the Sienna the single-CD player and cassette player is hidden behind the 6.5" Navigation screen.
I love the layout of the Acura MDX the best. Everything is located on the front dash, except the RES dvd screen.
However, unless they changed it to equal the Honda Accord, the old MDX had the 6-Disc CD changer under the front seat, which sucks.
So the new Odyssey better have the Accord's in-dash 6-Disc CD changer to beat the Sienna, have the MDX's 7" Touch-Voice NAV screen and dvd player both on the front dash (in place of the coin holder) to also beat the Sienna.
One thing I am disappointed in is that the new Ody will not have woodtrim :-(
BTW, I install after-market sonar sensor myself. Parts from eBay for $70. It works great with matching color. Honda OEM parts are very expensive but connection is easier.
BTW, I install after-market sonar sensor myself. Parts from eBay for $70. It works great with matching color. Honda OEM parts are very expensive but connection is easier.
I would end up clipping the wires the second day!
And, I don't sell Honda, by the way.
I think back-up sensors are very cool, but I would not buy it if the dealer had to install them since they rip you off completely.
For example, the rearview camera came along with the NAV on the Sienna. The NAV is about $1,500. The r/v camera is probably $100-200. But if you have it installed at the dealer, it would cost you around $1000 after parts, labor, and tax.
Here is the pic:
http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v126/retrolax/odyssey.jpg
Another useless and annoying option, at least in my opinion. To each his own, I suppose.
>>miserable back up sensors? That would drive me nuts in short order!
I would end up clipping the wires the second day! <<
I thought that same thing before i had the option now in my new 04 Sienna (the excuse for having it was for my wife's mistakes, not mine!), and it saved my back bumper now twice (just from me alone) from getting hit by my stupidity! Maybe not used to driving a huge truck (i'm a sedan-man for 25 plus years) I don't care how long you drive, your one day not going to pay attention to what your doing (like driving) and going to bump something! My kids (1 yr old & 4.5 yr old) was distracting me (not an excuse, i know but it happened) and i lost it... if it were not for that obnotious irritating horrible sound comming from my dash or where ever it comes from, I would have been looking at a nice scratch on my shinny new Sienna's bumper! Boy would that have p'd me off! Now I've about faced!
Just got news from a friend of mine who works for a Honda dealer. He said Honda is giving people a $500 cash incentive on all '04 Odysseys and that the dealers will no longer get the 04 models in May. Thus, the word is that the '05 Odysseys may be here in June or July.
are more infos I got from this friend who works at a Honda dealer.
I have the impression that Bamaboy is a Parker. (A Parker is the person who drives the vehicle from the last production station out to the temporary storage lot.) He did mention he drives them...what was it?...at least once a day. At this rate, he must be driving hundreds of them a day.
Also present for 2005 will be an Advanced Compatibility Engineering Body Structure. This structure is an evolution of "G-Force Control" which employs a front-end frame structure that helps reduce concentrated force of impacts by absorbing and dispersing energy over a large area. This design will help enhance occupant protection and reduce the aggressively towards other vehicles involved in a collision.
But what will the new Odyssey look like and what features will it have? For beginners, the all new Honda Odyssey in Japan will not be the vehicle we will see here in the United States. The ASM that was unveiled recently at the Tokyo Auto Show is a better Odyssey candidate, but keep in mind that this vehicle is strictly a concept. Concept or not you can expect some of this vehicle's features to be present in the new model.
There are plenty of rumors circling around on what the believed features of the new Odyssey will be. One thing can be said for sure, nobody knows but Honda. They will tell us and show us the vehicle when they are ready.
BUT, HERE IS WHAT WE KNOW FOR SURE.
1. VCM or Variable Cylinder Management is slated for introduction on the 05 which in short will shut off three cylinders when they are not needed, increasing your fuel mileage.
2. AWD will not be making an appearance in 05 despite the request of dealers asking for this feature. Honda is stating that the standard traction control that is now available offers substantial traction and safety. AWD will be considered at a later time if demand increases.
3. The Voice-Activated Navigation System which is now available on the Accord will be present in the 2005.
Unless we are told differently the 2005 Odyssey will be hitting showrooms in September 2004.
795 - NO !!
800 - I cannot get specific , but here is a VERY close pic given by message 638 http://www.prelude-fan.de/pics/odyssey-2gen.gif
803 - 2004 models will be built until the middle of August with 2005's to follow. Your friend has VERY BAD info
805 - You got that right !!!!!
806 - NO AWD !
811 - Your info is very accurate
Also, it seems that the sensitivity of the power doors to obstacles differs significantly between vans. I have been told that the sensitivity cannot be adjusted. (Is this true?)
I have considered purchasing an LX to get manual doors; however, you sacrifice creature comforts.
My question...
Will the 2005 Odyssey have the same type power sliding doors as the 2004's?
814 & 815 - The new doors are MUCH more sensitive than the 2004 & before models. The sensor is in the blak trim that is on the door. You can take your pinky & stop the door from closing !!
a lower car)....my wife was in love with the Accord except for the above reason...my question is: I have seen it posted that the dash layout is going to be the same as the 2003 Accord....We thought it was one of the best features in the car...is the new Odysseys dash going to look somewhat like the Accords and have the Auto shifter on the dash like the RX 300-330?
Thanks!! and God Bless
Does this mean that operation in "manual/disabled" mode is easier than the 2004's as well?
This picture you showed in your last message is very accurate. I saw that picture sometime in the early fall. I really hoped it would be a 2004 model. I own a 2002 Odyssey, and plan to trade it in for a 2005 model. Will the 2005 model have an automatic tailgate, and will the 2nd row seats fold into the floor, as do the 3rd row seats? I read somewhere, in the New York Times several months ago that the 2nd row seats will be magic seats. The last thing I was told is that the 2005 Odyssey will blow its competitors out of the water. Is this true? Will it be as smooth, as comfortable as ride as the Toyota Sienna is?
NAV----if you buy a Comparable NAV, it costs $2K plus installaion costs. Even so, it will LOOK like you had it installed AFTERMARKET. It won't look like a perfect FIT.
Sure you can get a $1,000 Portable NAV, but it's just not the same quality.
Even if you got a fancy $3,000 NAV, it still won't look like a perfect fit to your $30K vehicle.
DVD---All aftermarket DVD players are RF modulated, which sucks since you get a lot more static, interference signals, and you have to turn up your volume WAY UP to hear anything decent. Factory DVD has a direct-connect dedicated Audio/Video line which is a lot clearer and easier to operate.
I was going to add back-up camera to my Ody w/NAV, but the dealer said $1,000 total!
What a rip-off.
Most factory NAVs (Acura/Lexus/Sienna) are still $2K and they include a back-up camera.
Factory installed equipment is always the way to go.
There are a few thousand dollars in difference between the LX and EX. If you factor in the dealer installed cost for the options I mentioned, you'll find them to be in the ballpark.
As for the statement that factory installed equipment is the way to go, there is a huge aftermarket in audio, video, security, NAV systems and other accesories.
In many cases this equipment is a better deal both in price, quality and in specialzing to the buyers needs instead of the one size fits all factory approach. Audio systems are a prime example.
The price you stated for aftermarket NAV systesm are ridiculously high. Look around to see what a quality system actually costs.