I suppose being "related" doesn't necessarily mean being the "same". He seems to know more about the new Ody than anyone so far.
I suppose driving the new Ody several times a week in secrecy is something else. I assume the driving was done at some remote places where nobody would see. Man, sounds like a 007 secret government project or something. Good Lord, it's a minivan for crying out loud!
There is no Odyssey model line in Europe, at least in UK and Germany. The Stream is the biggest people carrier in those 2 markets. It is about the size of 1st gen. Odyssey.
Other than the Voyager, none of the minivans in US are sold in Europe. Kia does sell their minivan under a different name, but not sure if it is the same model. Previa is available, but it is not at all like the Sienna. It is actually quite good with diesel engine.
If they make this, call it the SPECIAL EDITION, then I might wait until year end, forget about buying a Lexus, and buy an EX-NAVI instead. I guess the seven trim lines must be variants of the EX model.
For what it's worth, from reading Edmunds for years you learn to notice things like: the ASM "concept" doesn't look like a concept. On the outside and inside (minus some electronics and wood)it's mostly production ready. A true concept wouldn't have the door track slash across the rear quarter panel (the Quest concept didn't)and there is just too much detail and finish inside and out. (Interior door panels look like my '99 Saab 9-3.) We'll know soon enough, (New York Auto Show) but the ASM looks to me like the 05 Odyssey.
I have read several reports from the 2003 Tokyo Auto Show and all point to similar structure and exterior but different interior which is technology showcase to 2005 Odyssey. I am thinking of trading in my 99 one for the new model.
As to the pricing, I am surprise to see comment on price comparison to the one in late 80 and early 90. They are way different! The average car pricing also increased from $18K then to @28K today. The cars today are roomier inside, more power (200hp is common), safer (most models have at least 4 air begs in mid size and above), structural stronger (seceral times) and more comfortable features that make your life much easier. Minivan is one with quantum leap. I still remember my boss bought a loaded 92 Chysler Town & Country for $30K+. It has CD player, leather seats and door inserts, 1 airbag (one speed), antilock break, sun roof and one mannual sliding door. The power came from V6 150hp+ with 4 speed Auto trans. Compare to todays' minivan, you got 3 times features and still cheaper. Even the inflation taking into acount, the price actually lower when compare feature content. The car sold $20k then will worth $23-24K just from inflation. I am sorry there is no $18K and below but you can get a 3 years old LX at the price range. And 3 year at todays technology, it's in such a great condition. You may enjoy the new car smell but definitely can enjoy the performance and comfort. Plus the reputation of the reliability from Toyota and Honda, you will be happy for several years down the road. Trust me!
I might add that the debt to Saab doesn't stop at the interior door panels. ASM adopts what Saab designers called the "hockey stick" greenhouse on the 9X concept two years ago. The vertical lines, blunt face, short rear overhang, however, show that the design target was less Sienna and Quest and more the Volkswagen Microbus concept. Smart and daring of Honda, considering the iconic impact predicted for the Volkswagen.
minivans have made huge gains in terms of features and safety. I had a 1991 Mazda MPV 4WD. It had seven seats, and the back row was hard to remove. It had 4WD, one swing out door, and no rear climate controls. I did manage to buy it cheap though, but later it became a problem and I got rid of it.
Having purchased a 1999 Odyssey, I must say that it was the best van that I could have purchased. Is it perfect? Of course not. I like that improvements that have been speculated to be on the 2005 model, but I hope that Honda fixes a few of the small things that have gotten under my craw over the last 5 years:
1. Dome lights that time out! I have jump started this van more times in any 6 month period than any car I have ever owned (that is a 20 year span) simply because one of the kids (or dad) left a dome light on the previous night!
2. Coin holder that vibrates its contents if left open (known to fray nerves!). (Spring-loaded coin holder, please.
3. Larger sunglasses holder to fit the actual sunglasses case.
4. A gear shifter that does not impede my view of the fog light switch or stereo controls.
5. Power doors that close correctly below 20°F!
6. Power doors that a child could open or close if the power switch is turned off.
7. How about a light in the glove box?
8. Could we have some cushioning on the armrests?
9. Lumbar support?
That is my minor wish list that I hope Honda includes in the 2005 Ody (in addition to more powerful engine with better gas mileage (VCM), TCS, VSA, side-curtain airbags, split "Magic Seat", continuation with 5AT, power lift-gate, roll down windows, in-dash 6-CD changer, DVD, Leather, etc, etc, etc....
Why not skirt Honda management by having one of us create a new profile, claim we work for Honda, and then pick the most likely of Internet rumors and post them as the things we've seen driving around the plant in Alabama?
Honda can't figure out if we work for them or not, because (1) we'll use an anonymous-sounding name, and (2) for added mesaure, we won't actually work for Honda.
I have a better idea for finding out the '05. Why doesn't Honda STOP acting like they created the second coming and release the darn '05 specs and looks. I mean it is due to come out in the fall so I understand the final mock and specs would be perfect but jeez. Honda thinks they have some top secret vehicle that will save the world. I love my Hondas but come on guys. I have a '99 Odyssey that has been wonderful and plan on getting a second this fall. Based on the '05 specs and price when it comes out I will then decide like everyone else whether to get a '05 or an '04. Letting me know the specs NOW will only make the difference on how soon or late I get it.
And I really want a hybrid mini or SUV so I will admit (GOD HELP ME) that if the Ford Escape finally comes out I will look at it since gas in Cali is $2.65 per gallon in places. I hate FORD but know many who love their Escape. Wish Honda had someting besides cars in a hybrid. Not sure I want an accord but might check it out also to be sure.
638 - Did you take that picture in the plant !!!??? That is VERY close but not exact to new model.
639 - Got conformation that NO navi units with cloth only DVD. This is to get people to buy 2004 instead of waiting for 2005 model to come out.
640 - Cost with DVD is to be about 1500 more than EX or about the same as EXL ---> ONLY ABOUT 5000 UNITS WILL BE MADE !!!!!!
641 - Yes it is very close
642 - No it is not. This is a totally new look !
645 - Alabam is the sole maker for American , Canadian , Latin America & Saudi Arabia models. Also Alabama will eventually be the sole maker for Pilots.
648 - NOT EVEN CLOSE . See response to # 638
652 - Not going to make special Navi only DVD
654 - NO. 7 trims avail, but that is not 1 of them.
659 - 1) yes 2)no 3)yes 4)yes 5)maybe -does not get that cold here ! 6)maybe 7)been standard for at least 2 years 8)very little 9)yes Almost everything on your hope list will be on the '05 !
In your response to post #645, will they build the JDM Honda LaGreat in Japan or the AL plant. I think we all get the idea what we have in '05 Odyssey except the final look. So no new innovations or first in industry options, right? Thanks. Keep us more updates.
Like you said, we can either believe what you say or not. But just out of curiosity, how is it that you are able to get us all this information and no one else can?
In your opinion, do you think the new Odyssey top-of-the-line beat the new Sienna XLE Limited with Navigation and DVD RES in terms of high-tech features, safety-features, and fuel efficiency?
We don't know. But I think the Sienna will still win when comparing feature with feature. Consider Honda is a not big company as Toyota. It took them quite some time to earn a market share in minivan market in U.S while Toyota was selling minivan here in the late '80s and even with 4WD.
I guess the 2005 Honda Odyssey will be the answer for someone that would like a world class minivan but doesn't want some of the features that come on the Sienna XLE and XLE Limited, but want some other features that only come on the XLE and XLE Limited. Honda did a good job of not overloading it with features like Toyota did with the new Sienna.
Yeah, you just can't please everyone, although I think Toyota is trying a lot harder to please everyone than Honda. That's why Toyota has the CE for $23K MSRP and the Limited AWD w/NAV+DVD for $41K MSRP. Now that's a wide range in price to please people who just want a basic minivan and people who want the best in terms of features.
Andrewtran asked about why Bamaboy knows all of these secrets and no-one else is coming forth with insider details.
I wonder if Honda is intentionally leaking information, and Bamaboy is the officially sanctioned leaker.
I test commercial software packages and it's always amazing how, despite a small group of well-known beta testers, some website gets the scoop and spills the beans about an up-coming release, months before the testing and GUI is completed.
Perhaps Bamaboy is a middle-mgmt. type who's got the company blessing on giving "soft releases" to stem the tide of Toyota cross-overs and to gauge any marketing issues the new Odyssey might have. Just a thought...
I don't know why Honda is always keeping a secret on releasing a new car model (maybe except the new pickup - SUT). Most auto markers released pictures, specifications and even pricing months before the actual release date. Do Honda think other auto markers will copy the idea of VCM in few months? Or people will stop buying (or shopping) the new Odyssey if they tell the public that there will be not H.I.D. headlamps or laser cruise control? I don't know about the agreement that how much information that he/she can share. But did bamaboy already tell us what we will get on the '05 model except showing us some pictures.
Whether the 2005 Odyssey will be better than the Sienna will obviously be subjective. However, when you look at Honda's record for introducing new or updated vehicles, you will see they usually become the segment leader, at least initially.
lok888 wrote, "But did bamaboy already tell us what we will get on the '05 model except showing us some pictures."
I couldn't keep track of all that he verified and refuted.
But then, I still don't think he gave us anything that is unique, i.e., something that isn't the stuff of current rumors.
I'd like to know if the '04 Odyssey's palette of colors will change. Will a new one be added? Will an '04 color be dropped? In either case, what color is being added or dropped? (I'm not interested in hearing "the colors will change a little."
(But...I think he did say that leather was coming in a new color. Well, what color exactly?)
is so that uninformed consumers, unlike ouselves, will be oblivious to the fact that they are about to buy a brand new 2004 Odyssey that will quickly become "old" the very same year or even month they bought the van. When I tell people about the new Ody, 100% of them say, "Oh, really? I didn't realize they're coming out with a new model?" I told this news to a person who just bought a 2004 Odyssey. Heck, a lot of people still don't even realize Toyota has a new Sienna. They don't know what the heck Laser Cruise Control and sonar sensors are . A lot of people don't even know what GPS Navigation is. The way I see it, people like us who are extremely informed will already know about the new upcoming models and will probably wait anyway instead of buying the 04 models. Giving us more informations won't change a thing. We'll still wait for the new model to come out before we make our decisions. But for the rest of the population, keeping them uninformed will sell more Odysseys. If EVERYONE knew that Honda is about to come out with a 2005 Ody to replace the 2004 models, many of them will probably not buy the 2004 models.
I'm not saying whether bamaboy is lying or not, and I'm not going to accuse anyone of lying, but if I wanted to lie, I sure can come up with a lot of detail information down to the vehicle dimensions in cm! I think I can be extremely creative.
I could say things like the new Ody will be a Hybrid engine, 3.8L V6 VCM, 270HP, 60/50 mpg City/Hwy, demensions 203" long by 77" wide, has Laser Cruise Control, 8 Inch NAV screen, 2nd & 3rd row split 60/40 fold-flat seats, AWD, top-of-the line will be $39K MSRP, will have 8" DVD, etc., etc., etc. I could come up with every exact detail answer to every question you have. I could even say I work for Honda, but since I'm quiting and will be working for Toyota soon, I'm leaking all these info out because I just don't care anymore.
So we will not know if bamaboy or anyone else is 100% accurate until the new Ody comes out.
Never the less, I think bamaboy is keeping this forum interesting. I don't think bamaboy is telling anyone to buy anything right now. All he is saying is that the new Ody will be exciting and that we should wait to check it out before making any decisions, which we will do.
I still want to know if bamaboy personally thinks the new Ody will kick the Sienna Limited w/NAV+DVD's butt all over town!
By the way, how does the new Ody feels when you drive it? Is it a little quieter and is the ride softer? Will it be quieter than the Sienna's 70dBa at 70mph? Will it be a 5-speed or 6-speed automatic VCM? Thanks, man.
bamaboy - I am a little bit disappointed that Honda didn't so much about the second row seat. The 2005 Caravan has the STOW'N GO seating. It looks cool. Any production numbers for the '05 model yet?
andrewtran71 - Maybe it is a different story for Honda. People would like to buy the '04 model now with great discount as much as like $4K off MSRP these days even if we know the detail for '05 model. People could pay MSRP or more and months of waiting. Anyway, I think you would like the voice activated navigation system on '05 Odyssey better than the touch-screen on Sienna. I hope the compilation of leather+DVD+Nav will be on one of the 7 trims. I agree the Toyota and Lexus vehicles can have both options. And you can play DVD movie on the nav screen too with emergency brake on or in "P" mode.
cartagram - It is difficult to put all the information in one piece
Andrewtran: it's very likely Bamaboy is telling the truth, because, as you say, he hasn't invented some very innovative detail. I just think that someone could do as Bamaboy's doing, and that's getting a kick out of stirring the hornets' nest with generalities that can't be refuted once the '05 lands at dealerships. (That preserves his credibility.)
In my mind, Bamaboy has been very gracious and low key, very disciplilned in his statements and his responses.
He's obviously a homicidal maniac that just happens to work for Honda! ;-)
Any chance the front seats were improved? That is, were they given some padding and contouring?
One reason we didn't get one when they first came out is the front seats were very uncomfortable. Flat and hard without any back support. From a few test drives, the Sienna feels much better.
Call your local dealer concerning the limited edition 2004 EX with an RES. No one else outside the company knows about this. They should begin to arrive at dealers in a couple days. I have been honest with everyone, but I am limited in what I can say !
686 - it will ride a little better than the 2004. I do not know the sound level on the interior, but it is quiter than the 2004. 5 speed
687 - I do not get the fold away 2nd seat. If you have something big enough to drop the middle & rear seats, BUY A PICK UP TRUCK!! 150,000 year @ full production.
691 - Unfortunatly no ! Siennas seats are more plush on leather models. You know Hondas seats are more firm and same is true for 2005
I hope you don't mind us asking specific questions. I appreciate the information you've given us already. I recently went down to the local honda dealer and gave them $500 to hold the first '05 for me--at sticker. Black EXL with nav and dvd (assuming that package exists). This is my first mini-van and I'm selling my S2000 to get it. Anyone in the market?
1. What will the mileage be on the new VCM? A slight or significant improvement over today's?
2. When will the '05 hit dealer lots?
3. Can you confirm that DVD and NAV will be available together with the leather EX?
4. Assuming #3 in top of the line...what's the top sticker going to be?
Odyssey 11,081 12,302 -13.4% 154,063 153,467 0.4% http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/- www/story/01-05-2004/0002083292 2003 Ody sales were 154,063 with a 13.4% decline in December. If Honda is only building 150,000 a year (according to Bamaboy) I see the following scenarios... 1. Honda's not planning for a Sales increase 2. Honda is content to restrict supply in order to ensure MSRP+ pricing at launch as the plant is capable of producing way more than 150,000 Odys. 3. Some Alliston Canucks need to show the 'Bama workers how to wrench bolts together a little quicker... ; )
"Last year(2003)the (Alabama) plant made 167,884 Odyssey minivans and V-6 engines — almost 18,000 more than the company had estimated, and 55 percent higher than in 2002, the Associated Press reported. When both assembly lines are fully operational, the plant is expected to produce 300,000 vehicles a year with a work force of 4,300."
The Alabama plant produces the Ody and Pilot. In 2003, Honda sold 106,907 Pilots. Let's say They sell 115,000 Pilots in 2005. That leaves 185,000 Odys that the 'bama plant can produce. Sounds about right, I think.
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He seems to know more about the new Ody than anyone so far.
I suppose driving the new Ody several times a week in secrecy is something else. I assume the driving was done at some remote places where nobody would see. Man, sounds like a 007 secret government project or something.
Good Lord, it's a minivan for crying out loud!
Other than the Voyager, none of the minivans in US are sold in Europe. Kia does sell their minivan under a different name, but not sure if it is the same model. Previa is available, but it is not at all like the Sienna. It is actually quite good with diesel engine.
As to the pricing, I am surprise to see comment on price comparison to the one in late 80 and early 90. They are way different! The average car pricing also increased from $18K then to @28K today. The cars today are roomier inside, more power (200hp is common), safer (most models have at least 4 air begs in mid size and above), structural stronger (seceral times) and more comfortable features that make your life much easier. Minivan is one with quantum leap. I still remember my boss bought a loaded 92 Chysler Town & Country for $30K+. It has CD player, leather seats and door inserts, 1 airbag (one speed), antilock break, sun roof and one mannual sliding door. The power came from V6 150hp+ with 4 speed Auto trans. Compare to todays' minivan, you got 3 times features and still cheaper. Even the inflation taking into acount, the price actually lower when compare feature content. The car sold $20k then will worth $23-24K just from inflation. I am sorry there is no $18K and below but you can get a 3 years old LX at the price range. And 3 year at todays technology, it's in such a great condition. You may enjoy the new car smell but definitely can enjoy the performance and comfort. Plus the reputation of the reliability from Toyota and Honda, you will be happy for several years down the road. Trust me!
1. Dome lights that time out! I have jump started this van more times in any 6 month period than any car I have ever owned (that is a 20 year span) simply because one of the kids (or dad) left a dome light on the previous night!
2. Coin holder that vibrates its contents if left open (known to fray nerves!). (Spring-loaded coin holder, please.
3. Larger sunglasses holder to fit the actual sunglasses case.
4. A gear shifter that does not impede my view of the fog light switch or stereo controls.
5. Power doors that close correctly below 20°F!
6. Power doors that a child could open or close if the power switch is turned off.
7. How about a light in the glove box?
8. Could we have some cushioning on the armrests?
9. Lumbar support?
That is my minor wish list that I hope Honda includes in the 2005 Ody (in addition to more powerful engine with better gas mileage (VCM), TCS, VSA, side-curtain airbags, split "Magic Seat", continuation with 5AT, power lift-gate, roll down windows, in-dash 6-CD changer, DVD, Leather, etc, etc, etc....
Can you tell me if the '05 will still be offered in black?
Honda can't figure out if we work for them or not, because (1) we'll use an anonymous-sounding name, and (2) for added mesaure, we won't actually work for Honda.
And I really want a hybrid mini or SUV so I will admit (GOD HELP ME) that if the Ford Escape finally comes out I will look at it since gas in Cali is $2.65 per gallon in places. I hate FORD but know many who love their Escape. Wish Honda had someting besides cars in a hybrid. Not sure I want an accord but might check it out also to be sure.
Some of us are complaining about Honda's secrecy of the '05 Ody, but does anyone know anything about the '05 Sienna?
They gotta do what they gotta do as a company in the belief that it will somehow make them more money in the long run.
At least it gives me another thing to look forward to this year.
639 - Got conformation that NO navi units with cloth only DVD. This is to get people to buy 2004 instead of waiting for 2005 model to come out.
640 - Cost with DVD is to be about 1500 more than EX or about the same as EXL ---> ONLY ABOUT 5000 UNITS WILL BE MADE !!!!!!
641 - Yes it is very close
642 - No it is not. This is a totally new look !
645 - Alabam is the sole maker for American , Canadian , Latin America & Saudi Arabia models. Also Alabama will eventually be the sole maker for Pilots.
648 - NOT EVEN CLOSE . See response to # 638
652 - Not going to make special Navi only DVD
654 - NO. 7 trims avail, but that is not 1 of them.
659 - 1) yes 2)no 3)yes 4)yes 5)maybe -does not get that cold here ! 6)maybe 7)been standard for at least 2 years 8)very little 9)yes Almost everything on your hope list will be on the '05 !
663 - yes
664 - those 3 and maybe 1 more I am told
665 - NOPE been real busy !!!!!
666 - LOL!!
668 - You got it
SEE YA'LL SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But just out of curiosity, how is it that you are able to get us all this information and no one else can?
In your opinion, do you think the new Odyssey top-of-the-line beat the new Sienna XLE Limited with Navigation and DVD RES in terms of high-tech features, safety-features, and fuel efficiency?
That's why Toyota has the CE for $23K MSRP and the Limited AWD w/NAV+DVD for $41K MSRP. Now that's a wide range in price to please people who just want a basic minivan and people who want the best in terms of features.
I wonder if Honda is intentionally leaking information, and Bamaboy is the officially sanctioned leaker.
I test commercial software packages and it's always amazing how, despite a small group of well-known beta testers, some website gets the scoop and spills the beans about an up-coming release, months before the testing and GUI is completed.
Perhaps Bamaboy is a middle-mgmt. type who's got the company blessing on giving "soft releases" to stem the tide of Toyota cross-overs and to gauge any marketing issues the new Odyssey might have. Just a thought...
IIRC, the pricing of the TSX was "leaked" when they were unloading the trucks at the dealerships.
I couldn't keep track of all that he verified and refuted.
But then, I still don't think he gave us anything that is unique, i.e., something that isn't the stuff of current rumors.
I'd like to know if the '04 Odyssey's palette of colors will change. Will a new one be added? Will an '04 color be dropped? In either case, what color is being added or dropped? (I'm not interested in hearing "the colors will change a little."
(But...I think he did say that leather was coming in a new color. Well, what color exactly?)
When I tell people about the new Ody, 100% of them say, "Oh, really? I didn't realize they're coming out with a new model?" I told this news to a person who just bought a 2004 Odyssey.
Heck, a lot of people still don't even realize Toyota has a new Sienna. They don't know what the heck Laser Cruise Control and sonar sensors are .
A lot of people don't even know what GPS Navigation is.
The way I see it, people like us who are extremely informed will already know about the new upcoming models and will probably wait anyway instead of buying the 04 models. Giving us more informations won't change a thing. We'll still wait for the new model to come out before we make our decisions.
But for the rest of the population, keeping them uninformed will sell more Odysseys. If EVERYONE knew that Honda is about to come out with a 2005 Ody to replace the 2004 models, many of them will probably not buy the 2004 models.
674 - No one else is brave enough to risk their job. I do not know, I have not seen the top of the line Sienna. But it will beat it in price !
678 - I PROMISE< I DO NOT HAVE ANYONES BLESSING AT HONDA MFG AT ALL !!!!
I could say things like the new Ody will be a Hybrid engine, 3.8L V6 VCM, 270HP, 60/50 mpg City/Hwy, demensions 203" long by 77" wide, has Laser Cruise Control, 8 Inch NAV screen, 2nd & 3rd row split 60/40 fold-flat seats, AWD, top-of-the line will be $39K MSRP, will have 8" DVD, etc., etc., etc.
I could come up with every exact detail answer to every question you have.
I could even say I work for Honda, but since I'm quiting and will be working for Toyota soon, I'm leaking all these info out because I just don't care anymore.
So we will not know if bamaboy or anyone else is 100% accurate until the new Ody comes out.
Never the less, I think bamaboy is keeping this forum interesting. I don't think bamaboy is telling anyone to buy anything right now. All he is saying is that the new Ody will be exciting and that we should wait to check it out before making any decisions, which we will do.
I still want to know if bamaboy personally thinks the new Ody will kick the Sienna Limited w/NAV+DVD's butt all over town!
Will it be a 5-speed or 6-speed automatic VCM?
Thanks, man.
andrewtran71 - Maybe it is a different story for Honda. People would like to buy the '04 model now with great discount as much as like $4K off MSRP these days even if we know the detail for '05 model. People could pay MSRP or more and months of waiting. Anyway, I think you would like the voice activated navigation system on '05 Odyssey better than the touch-screen on Sienna. I hope the compilation of leather+DVD+Nav will be on one of the 7 trims. I agree the Toyota and Lexus vehicles can have both options. And you can play DVD movie on the nav screen too with emergency brake on or in "P" mode.
cartagram - It is difficult to put all the information in one piece
In my mind, Bamaboy has been very gracious and low key, very disciplilned in his statements and his responses.
He's obviously a homicidal maniac that just happens to work for Honda! ;-)
One reason we didn't get one when they first came out is the front seats were very uncomfortable. Flat and hard without any back support. From a few test drives, the Sienna feels much better.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
686 - it will ride a little better than the 2004. I do not know the sound level on the interior, but it is quiter than the 2004. 5 speed
687 - I do not get the fold away 2nd seat. If you have something big enough to drop the middle & rear seats, BUY A PICK UP TRUCK!! 150,000 year @ full production.
691 - Unfortunatly no ! Siennas seats are more plush on leather models. You know Hondas seats are more firm and same is true for 2005
I hope you don't mind us asking specific questions. I appreciate the information you've given us already. I recently went down to the local honda dealer and gave them $500 to hold the first '05 for me--at sticker. Black EXL with nav and dvd (assuming that package exists). This is my first mini-van and I'm selling my S2000 to get it. Anyone in the market?
1. What will the mileage be on the new VCM? A slight or significant improvement over today's?
2. When will the '05 hit dealer lots?
3. Can you confirm that DVD and NAV will be available together with the leather EX?
4. Assuming #3 in top of the line...what's the top sticker going to be?
VW seats are firm but supportive.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=105&STORY=/- www/story/01-05-2004/0002083292
2003 Ody sales were 154,063 with a 13.4% decline in December. If Honda is only building 150,000 a year (according to Bamaboy) I see the following scenarios...
1. Honda's not planning for a Sales increase
2. Honda is content to restrict supply in order to ensure MSRP+ pricing at launch as the plant is capable of producing way more than 150,000 Odys.
3. Some Alliston Canucks need to show the 'Bama workers how to wrench bolts together a little quicker... ; )
http://www.dailyhome.com/news/2004/dh-localnews-0106-0-4a05u2053.- htm
The Alabama plant produces the Ody and Pilot. In 2003, Honda sold 106,907 Pilots. Let's say They sell 115,000 Pilots in 2005. That leaves 185,000 Odys that the 'bama plant can produce. Sounds about right, I think.