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A GC SE w/ Stow N Go can be had for less than 23K right now, including consumer rebate, plus you can get an additional $1000 trade in rebate. EX-L invoice is a little over 26K. Not sure where you got your numbers from
Will the Odyssey also offer separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger now that the Sienna has it? Will the Odyssey also have an overhead console with compass, temperature and Trip Computer now that the Sienna has it? Will the Odyssey offer 8 passenger seating like the Sienna offers?
I seriously doubt the next Odyssey will have fold into the floor 2nd row seats. With previous Chrysler reliability being below Honda and Toyota, the Odyssey does not need to offer all the features offered by Chrysler but they need to have as many as the Sienna.
Ford missed the boat by not having the 60/40 Split fold into the floor on the new Freestar and Monterrey.
Do you think Honda would do another re-design to add 2nd row fold into the floor seats if they don't already have it designed into the 2005 Odyssey?
Honda has confirmed the VCM V6 for the Ody. Yes, it has been in production with the JDM Inspire for the past year.
Honda claims to have focused on functionality, rather than styling, so dreams of the Elysion probably should be put back on the shelf.
Honda already launched the Japanese version of the Honda Odyssey.
Cant see why they would have another (Elysion) japanese only model.
We will have to wait and see if they call it the Elysion or Odyssey in North America. May launch in Japan, when will it launch in North America?
I own a 2002 Honda Odyssey, which is my second one. I’ve often thought the Odyssey would be the #1 minivan on the market for sometime, but I’ve recently read where the Toyota is now the top dog. I, therefore decided, since I was going out of town, why not rent the Toyota Sienna. I had it for two days, and came away impressed, very impressed.
I immediately noticed that the Sienna is a much more quieter ride. There is no wind noise, as there is in the Odyssey. I hope that Honda, since their Odyssey’s ride is not as quiet, as the Sienna, they will fine-tune the new Odyssey, so that it will once again, be the #1 minivan on the market. Does Honda plan to build the new Odyssey with new windows, to offset the wind noise, making it quieter?
Though the Sienna is few inches shorter than the Odyssey, the Sienna has more legroom on the drive-side, and the passenger side, more than the Odyssey. I’m a very tall person with long legs, and would like more legroom. Does Honda plan to build the new Odyssey with more interior space?
The Sienna has a quick response than the Odyssey. Though the Odyssey has more horsepower than the Sienna, the Sienna really moves when you step on the gas. I research to find out why the Sienna pick up was so different, and found out it has a DOHC V-6, while the Odyssey has a SOHC V-6. Does Honda plan any changes in the engine, other than a displacement V-6?
Though I like the Odyssey, I would really like to see Honda add similar amenities as Toyota did with the Sienna, especially making it a much, much quieter ride.
"Unless we are told differently the 2005 Odyssey will be hitting showrooms in August-September 2004. The first dealer order allocations should be coming out sometime around June."
Source: www.HondaPreview.com
I also have rented the new Sienna with the 2nd row bench (ie 8 seat edition), and found that these seats are too narrow for adults, even sort of thin ones like the ones on our trip.
--Tom
There are plenty of us who are more than interested in that compromise. Not every car is for every driver. I've driven plenty of Camry's and am grateful for the sporty nature of my Accord and Odyssey.
Elysion Odyssey
L = 4840mm/191" 5105mm/201"
W = 1830mm/72" 1935mm/76"
H = 1790mm/70.5" 1740mm/68.5"
That would make the Elysion 10" shorter and 4" narrower than the current Ody. I don't see Honda going smaller than the current Odyssey.
As I noted before, Honda offers many more models in the JDM.
I also prefer the firm front seats of the Odyssey better than the soft front seats of either the Sienna or Grand Caravan.
The Sienna 2nd row seats in either 7 or 8 passenger versions are NOT comfortable due to poor design.
The Odyssey is THE most attractive minivan with GC and T&C 2nd. The Sienna is not as attractive but is more attractive than the weird looking Nissan Quest or antiquated Volkswagen Eurovan. I prefer the gear selector on the steering column as in the Odyssey and not on the dash as in Quest and Sienna.
Many owners of the previous generation Odyssey don't like the current (1999-2004) Odyssey as well as the earlier, smaller, 4 door version.
With gasoline prices rising as fast as the United States Budget deficit, a smaller more fuel efficient minivan may become a better seller than the current large minivan size.
People don't like a smaller minivan like the Sedona or MPV that burns more fuel than the larger Odyssey, Sienna, or Chrysler minivans.
2) The new Ody will be better than the old one.
3) The new Ody will most likely NOT be as quiet, soft, and smooth riding as the Sienna.
4) The new Ody will not be as luxurious as the new Sienna Limited.
5) The new Ody will not cost as much as the Sienna XLE Limited.
6) Some people prefer the "road-isolation luxury" philosophy of Toyota/Lexus.
7) Some people prefer the "driver's-car performance" philosophy of Honda/Acura.
8) If you prefer the Toyota philosophy, you will hate the Odyssey period. But wait for the new Ody to come out so that you can strike an even bigger bargain with the Sienna. You definitely will want to buy the Sienna.
9) If you prefer the Honda philosophy, you will hate the Sienna period. You will definitely buy the Odyssey.
while i sense that there might be a quieter tire than the Potenza's that came on our ODY LX which might change the situation some, a certain amount of road noise actually helps this driver with situational awareness.
The pic bamaboy hinted to has been around for over a year now.
The pic shown of other Odyssey "versions" in Japan are way too small to be the USA Ody.
I would dare say this. If the new Ody is 191 inches long, then Honda must be one of the dumbest company right next to Ford or Chevy.
But since Honda is a pretty smart company, the new Ody will not be shorter than the current version, at least not on the interior dimensions since that's what people care about.
I don't think anyone would be way off to think that the new Ody may look similar to the Elysion or ASM Concept.
But yeah, it's anyone's guess right now.
Quit toying with us, Honda!
I don't know. I say it before and I'll say it again. Based on the new looks of the MDX and Acura RL, there is a big chance I will hate the way the new Ody looks on the exterior and interior. But it may look great for someone else.
Honda just can't please everyone.
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Will the new Ody be introduced in the New York Autoshow ?? I'm getting really anxious. I need to make a firm decision my next van.
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Andrew, do you really like the Sienna's looks?....I just can't get use to the front end on that thing....I'm going to have to drive one if I can find one to drive!
oh, this tranny recall of Honda's really stinks!
The Odyssey is attractive and does not need any major changes. Just add the 60/40 split folding "Magic Seat" from the Sienna and a few nice Chrysler features that Sienna added (separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger and the overhead console with compass and temperature/trip computer).
Do minivan owners really want roll down windows in sliding doors or fold flat middle row seats?
You can have any color dashboard & steering wheel, as long as it's black.
Leather interior on Odyssey is merely Accord-like. Sienna is Lexus-like.
Column-mounted shifter (also black) obstructs view of (black) dash.
If all you expect from your minivan is the interior of an Accord or Civic, then you'll love the Odyssey.
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About the VCM video, are we getting new 3.5L V6 for '05 Odyssey or the 3.0L V6 iVTEC from Inspire in JDM? The video showed the VCM technology on 3.0L engine.
Larger makes sense given 3 cylinder mode while cruising needs all the torque available to keep it in 3 cyl mode.
Food for thought.
The front grille needs more chrome, but overall, I like the exterior looks of the Sienna.
Since both Ody and Sienna are excellent overall vehicles with similar prices on comparable equipped models, looks is the MOST important factor for me in determining the vehicle I want to buy. This is the area I scrutinize the most.
Before I saw the Limited Sienna in person, I was disappointed with the looks. But seeing the Limited in person changed my mind. I noticed the front grille had a 1" line of chrome at the center of the grille. I noticed the license plate garnish had a 2" line of chrome. I think if Toyota had put the chrome grille of the Avalon or Solara or Lexus, the Sienna would have looked extremely good.
This is my pure honest opinion on looks of the Sienna and Odyssey.
The Odyssey's front grille looks great. It's not as good as a Lexus or an Acura RL grille. But it looks a lot better than the Sienna and the Acura MDX's grille.
So the front view goes to the Odyssey.
From the side view, I honestly think the Sienna looks better. I prefer the squareness in shapes of vehicles, but a slight amount of roundness will enhance the looks. When I look at the Odyssey and Sienna side-by-side, the Sienna just looks more "balanced" from the side view. I think the hood line angle of the Odyssey is way too steep. It's like the rear end and middle body is squarish, but then the hood gets a pointy nose which to me shows a slight lack of balance. Again, I prefer squareness with a touch of roundness and balance in line angles.
So I think the side view goes to the Sienna.
From the rear view, I like both the same. They tie here.
Thus, the tie breaker is the interior looks.
Here it's no contest in my opinion.
The Sienna XLE Limited has nice (although synthetic) woodtrim on the steering wheel, gated shifter, dash, and front
door sides. It has chrome finish on the gated shifter and air vents. The Odyssey doesn't even have the gated shifter and certainly no woodtrim anywhere nor chrome finishes. I would have liked it a lot more if the Sienna's dash displayed an in-dash CD changer and DVD player in addition to the NAV screen. So the interior appearance goes to the Sienna Limited.
One thing I hate about Acura/Honda is that they don't believe in having woodtrim on the steering wheel. Acura now has woodtrim on their gated shifter (except the 2005 Flagship $45-50K RL--go figure!). But still no woodtrim on the steering wheel.
Add in the fact that the Sienna rides very smoothly, softly, and quietly doesn't hurt.
The Ody is more tuned for "performance" and so the ride seems a little louder and more harsh and firm.
If bamaboy is correct, the new Ody will not have any woodtrim at all.
If the new Ody looks like those Japanese pics of different Ody "versions", then the new Ody will not have the gated shifter either.
Hopefully, the front grille will continue to look like the current Ody, if not like the Acura RL.
But hopefully, the new Ody's front grille will look nothing like the Acura MDX. Otherwise, it will just tie the Sienna's front grille.
Based on what has been posted here, there is no reason to believe the new Ody will beat the Sienna in the OVERALL looks department.
I guess whether these features will "beat" the Sienna Limited features is something only time will tell.
Right now, we don't know squat about the new Ody, thanks to Honda. We are purely speculation or making eduacted guesses.
I think the NAV will be better than the Sienna just because of the Accord's NAV.
Another thing Honda needs to fix is that ridiculous stopping distance from 70 mph.
It's embarrassing to know that even the Kia Sedona and other less expensive vehicles beat the Odyssey and $42K MDX w/NAV+DVD on the stopping distance.
Hey, what is the big difference between Radar Cruise Control and Laser Cruise Control?
It will be tough to compare to see which is best!
It will be exciting to see the new Ody!
If you want to spend $30K+ on a luxury car, get a Lexus. But whether or not a minivan has wood trim seems totally irrelevant. This is similar to criticizing a new sports car because the trunk is too small and it doesn't handle well in deep snow!