Honda Odyssey Future Models

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  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I'm with you there, man.
    We need some cold hard pics.
    I must know if it has any woodtrims or chrome on the interior!
    Somebody please help.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    at list it looks like it will get the elctor guages like the Accord has.

    Actually, if they transplant the Accord dashboard and seats into the Ody it will address my only real issues with it (other than the non-split rear seat, which also is getting addressed).

    If all these new features are legit, if they can keep the price on an EXL w/moonroof to 30K (about 1.5K more than today), it will undercut the price nicely on a Sienna, and probably be my wifes next car (just in time for Christmas!).

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  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    is this information from vtec.net?
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    They said the '05 Ody will be the 1st minivan with VCM.
    However, this VCM will not be featured in any Acura models, including the '05 flagship RL.
    There is concern with the VCM causing noise. Honda people say they have developed anti-vibration technology plus active noise-cancellation via a speaker (like the Bose noise-cancellation headphones?).
    Is it worth it just to save some money on fuel?

    As if Honda doesn't already have enough problems with transmission recalls and past history of other engine problems. Why make the engine even more complex? Wouldn't this increase the risk of problems?

    And causing more engine noise, so much that they had to add anti-vibration and noise cancellation speakers? How about NOT having those noise to begin with? Do Honda peopple think the Ody is so quiet now that they can afford to add more noise to it? When compared to the Sienna and T&C, the current Ody is already the loudest minivan. Let's ADD more noise and then ADD anti-vibration and ADD active noise-cancelling speakers.

    It's kind of like treating patients with a medication that causes other side effects and medical problems and then ADD more drugs to treat those drug-induced problems. There is a phrase for this kind of thing in the healthcare world. It's called "Polypharmacy" treatment of "Iatrogenic illness".

    How about finding a different drug (or solution) that doesn't cause more side effects (or noise)?

    I'm glad I'm not in the market to buy a new '05 Ody. At least by the time I buy one in 2006, I will know by then if this VCM is any good.

    Hmm, I wonder why this great VCM is not in the great new Acura RL, TL, MDX, etc.
  • stevengordonstevengordon Member Posts: 130
    If Bamaboy is still with us, perhaps he can comment on the noise level of the '05 Ody compared with the existing generation of Odys.

    We haven't heard from Bamabo in a while. Is he busy or something? It would be informative to get his comments on the new information that's coming out now.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    I believe the noise level in the current Ody is more from road noise, particularly related to the well in the back. I assume that Honda made improvements in this area for the new model. The engine isn't obtrusive in the current model.

    From what I have read, the Chrysler 300 that uses VCM technology is just as quiet and smooth as a car without it, and you really can't tell that it is there.

    Also, VCM isn't that diffferent in concept from V-tech, which has been very reliable. And if it ever stopped working, you would just have a normal V6. If nothing else, it is much simpler (and lighter) than hybrid technology, not to mention cheaper.

    You are right that the Ody is somewhat the guinea pig for Honda, but I assume that if it works as advertised, you will see it in other models soon.

    I would trust Honda to get a new technology right more than most sompanies, since they have always been engineer driven.

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  • stevengordonstevengordon Member Posts: 130
    If Bamaboy is still with us, perhaps he can comment on the noise level of the '05 Ody compared with the existing generation of Odys.

    We haven't heard from Bamabo in a while. Is he busy or something? It would be informative to get his comments on the new information that's coming out now.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I hope everything works out perfectly.
    My question is, if the VCM shuts down 3 cylinders, and then stops working, would you only have 3 working cylinders?
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I asked him that same question. I believe he said the '05 Ody is still not as quiet as the Sienna, but it is quieter than the '04 Ody.
    To me, that means among the Sienna, T&C, and Ody, the Ody is still the loudest like it has always been.
    I just wonder about the Active Noise-Cancellation speakers. Can we assume these speakers are on everytime the engine is on? Are these the same seven speakers (6 speakers + 1 subwoofer) used for the stereo system and the NAV?

    Doesn't this sound like spraying air freshener into a room with a bad odor, instead of getting rid of the bad odor to begin with?

    So like when the speakers go bad, will we get this loud noise coming from the engine?

    The Lexus LS430 is probably the quietest vehicle in the world. Lexus does not use Noise Cancellation speakers. They just use good insulation, thick glass, and an quiet engine to begin with.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    2005 Chrysler 300C Sedan Interior Sound level by Car and Driver:
    Idle: 45 dBA
    Full Throttle: 77 dBA
    70-mph: 70dBA

    If we compare sedans to sedans, the 300C sedan is kind of loud.
    At 70 mph, I believe the Camry is around 66 dBA and Accord is 67 dBA.

    Minivans and SUVs are usually always louder than most sedans.

    So perhaps the VCM is not very quiet.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    there are lots of sources of noise, and different types of noise. So, you can't compare db to db. It really is subjective (what bothers you doesn't bother me, etc).

    IMO, in most modern cars, at cruising speeds yo udon't hear the engine much. It is usually wind or tire noise. Full throttle is another matter, but most people don't do that very often.

    I haven't driven a 300C, but I was basing my comments on the review I read (that the car was quiet (engine wise) and that they couldn't tell when the VCM was in play).

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  • player4player4 Member Posts: 362
    FMC. V6 features Honda VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) System. VSA, available Moonroof, roll-down rear side windows, XM Radio, ACE body structure, power liftgate, 3-Zone climate control, standard side curtain airbags, split folding 3rd row seat, DVD-RES now available with NAVI.

    FMC: Full Model Change
  • aabbaabb Member Posts: 58
    Tried the New Sienna SE with 2k miles for a full weekend. I was impressed with the low noise level, ride quality, turning circle, manevurability, fit and finish and overall quality. Only complaints:the flip down cup holder in the LE, they come in the way even when flipped down. The other problem is the rear seat audio/video console. You really have to pay attention to it or you will hit your head each time an adult crawls into the van or want to go from the front seat to the back to attend to kids.

    I have driven Dodge Caravan before, Sienna really feels like a Lexus. Have to admit I have not driven a Ody before, will test drive the existing model soon and wait for the Ody.

    If you are looking to purchase the new Ody, would recommend renting the new sienna at your closest Toyota dealer. ($80 per day unlimited miles) You can take your family out, try out the car seats/seating configurations and really test its features. You really get to try out the Sienna and without any sales pressure.

    I will wait for the Ody release and then buy the better of the Sienna/Ody based on the following factors(in order of importance)
    (I am looking at Sienna XLE / Honda EX with entertainment)

    Reliability
    seating comfort and configuration ease
    Price
    safety features
    entertainment feature
    (without having to choose the topofline model/I dont need leather)
    color availability (silver or white)
    Luxury (interior)
    noise level
    (want to be able to talk to kids at cruising speeds with a/c at low)
    Engine Power and smoothness
    Looks (exterior)
    Instrument Panel ergonomics/looks
    Maintainance cost
    Mileage

    Some factors that make me a little uneasy about purchasing the new Ody
    - wait lists
    - high sticker price on introduction
    - new model issues
    - VCM
    - road noise

    Sienna negatives
    - power
    - interior height/console location
    - 17 inch wheels only available in AWD
    - have to get XLE for both power sliding doors
    - looks from the front (I think it has a nice profile and rear)
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    You wrote:

    I just wonder about the Active Noise-Cancellation speakers. Can we assume these speakers are on every time the engine is on? Are these the same seven speakers (6 speakers + 1 subwoofer) used for the stereo system and the NAV?

    Doesn't this sound like spraying air freshener into a room with a bad odor, instead of getting rid of the bad odor to begin with?


    Of course, I am really only guessing from the name, but here goes....

    Any truly "active" noise-cancelling system would almost necessarily have it's own speaker. Otherwise the movements of the speaker cones would possibly be nullified by the conflicting sources: entertainment system and active noise cancellation system.

    Actually, that same scenario is the premise behind active noise cancelling itself. Sound, which is described as if it were waves like in water, consists of varying pressures and frequencies of those pressures in air.

    If a system could produce equal-and-opposite pressures/frequencies to an offending noise source (and this is claimed, though I've never personally witnessed such a system), then the offending noise would actually be cancelled by the interference of the anti-noise noise. Got it?

    This differs from smells in that air fresheners only add more chemistry to the air in an attempt to mask the offensive odors. Deordorizers presumably attempt to absorb and remove the offending chemical components from the air.

    However, noise cancelling attempts to neutralize the air movement itself (the sound) with counter air movements. You have experienced this same phenomenon in an undesirable way if you ever hooked up stereo speakers out of phase with each other (wires reversed from right speakers to left speakers). That condition causes mostly the base frequencies to be muted as the left and right speakers' emissions collide in close-to-opposite sequences and cancel out.

    It is not as noticeable with high frequencies because those do not radiate outward as widely (they "beam" more, are more directional) and also because it is harder to end up with exact opposite waves the more frequent those waves are (i.e. "bigger" longer waves in base frequencies simply have more "distance" to overlap and cancel).
  • rosey4rosey4 Member Posts: 42
  • rosey4rosey4 Member Posts: 42
    ditto. I to rented the Toyota Sienna for a weekend. I rented the LE model. I was not able to rent the XLE model. As you were, I was also impressed with the Sienna, overall with everything you stated. The LE has one automatic door, while the XLE, I believe has two automatic doors. I was not impressed with Toyota automatic door.

    What impressed me the most was the ride. The new Sienna is a much more quieter ride than the Odyssey. I currently own a 2002 Odyssey. The Sienna also rides comfortable as does the Odyssey, but the Sienna has a much more quicker acceleration than the Odyssey. I suspect that is due to the Sienna's DOCH.

    What the Sienna has over the Odyssey is: you don't hear much wind and road noise as you do in the Odyssey. I was so impressed with the Sienna that I've thought of trading my Odyssey in for one. However, I will wait to see what Honda does with the new Odyssey.

    With what I've read on this board regarding some of what Honda will offer with the Odyssey, it should be an slam dunk if Honda fixes that wind and road noise.
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I own an 02, and recently tested it alongside my friend's 04 Sienna XLE. The Sienna was a lot quieter, but wasn't as fun to drive as the Odyssey. The Odyssey was too noisy and the wind and road noise bothered me, but not too much. If I needed a new van now, I'd probably get a Pkg 9 Sienna XLE instead of an Odyssey EX-L.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    Funny how we change.
    The new Sienna really blew most of us away.
    Can't wait to see the new Ody.
    Wonder if it will blow us away like the new Sienna did.

    Seems like a lot of talk about interior noise.
    Some of us are concerned about road and wind noise of the Ody. Some of us are saying that it doesn't bother us as much as others. Some are saying that although the Ody is noisier, it's actually more fun to drive. Seems like a delima.

    But really, who wants a nosier minivan? A noisy vehicle that you would take your family out on vacations? Or does it make more sense to own a quieter, more comfortable vehicle for your family? A vehicle with better brakes to provide better stopping distance just in case?
    Would your wife and kids be better off in a quiet, smooth, comfortable minivan that has great safety features and great brakes?
    Or would they be better off in a louder, harsher-riding-less-comfortable minivan with one of the worst stopping distance?

    It will be very interesting to see the new Ody's stats, in particular the stopping distance. It better be just as good as the Sienna. If not as quiet, it better be close to the Sienna.

    Sometimes I would tell myself that the noise factor and stopping distance do not bother me. Perhaps it would not if the Sienna had not existed. But since we all know what the Sienna is capable of, the new Ody will surely be tested and scrutinzed. I don't care what Car and Driver or any magazines rank the Sienna and Ody. There are two important areas I will look at. First is safety features and stopping distance. Second is comfort and quiet ride.
    I will not fool myself into thinking that a louder, harsher ride, and pathetic stopping distance is okay and more fun to drive.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    So if the technology is 100 effective, the end result of Active-Noise Cancellation is no noise at all?

    Sure, sound level is subjective. Some people actually think the Ody is very quiet.

    When we compare, we have to compare one vehicle against vehicles of it's own class. That's why we compare the Sienna to Odyssey.
    We can't compare a sedan to a minivan. True.
    And I agree that just because one vehicle is quieter in terms of 1 dBA, it does not automatically mean it is quieter in "real life".

    But if we compare two sedans: one with 66dBA and one with 70dBA. It just seems like the sedan with 70dBA is significanly louder. 4dBA levels is significant.

    But okay, there may be other noise factors, not just engine noise. For all we know, the engine may be quiet, but the road and wind noise were high.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    ANC targets specific sounds (wavelengths I guess). Might be more accurate to say they fill in the gaps to smooth out the sounds.

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  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    Since the "wave" description is at best an inexact way to visualize sound, I suppose we could quibble about proper terminology of what happens in attempting to cancel it. But the result, if the ANC worked perfectly (I'm certain it doesn't) on the target frequency, would be no sound at all.

    Is that technically a slightly higher air pressure without the modulation that makes it sound? I suppose that the energy coming from the equal-but-opposite sound sources (the offending noise and the added anti-noise noise) must be adding energy to the air (producing heat or increased pressure or both). But I doubt that the energy levels are sufficient to be noticeable by a normal human being. Of course, those of you who are extraordinary....? ;-)

    All right, is that enough amateur physics over-analysis for everyone?
  • fbearfbear Member Posts: 117
    Can anyone give me the scoop on the 2005 Odyssey?

    I have read in Car & Driver and elsewhere that Honda is redesigning the Odyssey for 2005, yet the Edmunds "Future Vehicles" area shows nothing and a Honda salesman told me today that there are just a few changes in store.

    Thanks.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    Okay, let's hope that VCM and anti-vibration + ANC works great so that VCM doesn't add any more noise. The next question is will Honda add any more sound insulation and thicker glass so that the road noise, tire noise, and wind noise will be significantly reduced?
    Only time will tell.
    But thanks for the physics lession.

    Now tell me why Car and Driver reports interior sound level dBA when it doesn't really tell us how loud or quiet a car is?

    I think a Lexus LS430 is around 64 dBA and the Maybach ($380K) is 63 dBA at 70mph. If a Camry is 67 dBA and the Chrysler 300C is 70dBA, does that mean the LS430 compared to the Camry is like the Camry compared to the Chrysler 300C in sound level?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    The salesman was telling you "no changes" so thet you would buy the current model, although it is also ossible that he really was clueless.

    I think the arguement about noise level should be put to bed until you can actually drive one (or at least read a review), since no one knows for sure what it will sound like inside.

    Anyway, my last noise comment is that the quality of the sound matters, not just the level. 70 db or your kids whining is a lot different than 70 db of your favorite music, a waterfall, etc.

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  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    I hope it does blow me away. Honda has always had a tradition of being the Japanese driver's car before Nissan went sporty (Edmunds says the Odyssey is the BMW of minivans) and I'd hate to see Honda lose to cross-town rival Toyota. Funny how opinions change after a year when new competiton comes out.
  • laundryguylaundryguy Member Posts: 89
    Was fitted to a washing machine. You cannot believe how effecive it can be. The hum and the whine of the agitation just about disappear, particularly the 60, 120, 240 hz caused by the frequency of the input AC and its nearby octaves. Too costly for the white goods (major appliance) market a few years back, but rumors are flying that many are close to introductions throughout the industry since the high end stuff is really taking off. Bosch/Siemens may already employ on dishwashers and washers in Europe.

    Just like a rainbow is to your eyes, though, the noise effectiveness will appear different to everyone since the wavelengths of the "noise" vary across the spectrum from very long waves to very short waves and your ear placement will catch peaks and valleys at different distances from the source and its canceling "active" system in use depending on your orientation. Still, it is incredible how effective it can be.

    Neat stuff - but it won't come for free.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    For a taste of this technology, try out a Bose ANC headset on your next long flight. Some airlines provide or rent them. The movie comes alive! The lips of the stewardesses move, but you cannot hear a thing! Amazing...

    Wonder if you could really apply this to an automobile? The kids lips move but you don't hear a thing...... Priceless!

    Steve
  • ac00lraac00lra Member Posts: 69
    You are right that how people interpret as "noise" or unpleasant sound is purely subjective. Just as some people prefer loud hard rock over soft slow music. It's purely a matter of preference. To me road noise is good. I like to know whether I drive on rough surface or smooth surface. That way I can better be prepared to handle unexpected maneuvering. That's why I love the feel of Honda autos versus the numbness and soft feel of Toyota autos. I'm surprised you still haven't bought the Sienna yet. I can bet you that Odyssey will not meet your definition of quietness since you seem to prefer the soft feel of the Toyota/Lexus. And Honda seems to be heading in the direction of firmer suspension and sportier feel (like European type) for the past decade instead of the soft cushy feel. With that said, I think you'll be disappointed with the new Odyssey for sure. :-) I just wanna set your expectation straight.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I think we should just drive one and not count on reviews. You know Car and Driver will have the Ody at 70dBA this Fall and then 68dBA next Fall, don't you?
  • fbearfbear Member Posts: 117
    Saw some earlier discussion about pros/cons/ethics of dealers taking deposits on a car that has yet to be announced (05 Ody).

    To me, it comes down to whether the deposit is refundable. I just put $500 down (fully refundable at any time) to be on the top of our salesman's list when the 05's arrive.

    Interest rates being what they are, that $500 was going to earn about $2 sitting in the bank so it was an easy decision.

    Now I will sit back as the excitement builds and if I want the car, I will pick from the first allotment to come in. If the car disappoints, I will politely ask for my $500 back.

    Meanwhile, thanks to all of you who somehow find and post the latest 'top secret' information about what to expect. I'll be reading.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    It wouldn't be surprising to get different readings at different times. Road surface and tires makes a big difference to the noise level, and no 2 cars are identical. In general, the reviews should tell whether the new one is quieter than the old one, but you are correct that you need to try it yourself.

    You do sound like a Toyota/Luxus buyer though, as opposed to Honda/Acura/Infiniti.

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  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I'm actually kind of torn between the two.
    There is not one vehicle that has everything I want.
    Honda/Acura has this, and Toyota/Lexus has that.
    I can see it already. The new Ody will have the magnificent NAV and instrument panel, but the Sienna will have the gated shifter, woodtrim, quieter interior, and smoother ride. The new Ody may have other features the Sienna does not like 8th seat, better chrome grille, etc., but then the new Ody may lack other features the Sienna has like Laser Cruise, Intuitive Parking, etc.
    On models w/NAV, the Ody will have in-dash 6 Disc changer while the Sienna will have a single CD player.
    It will be tough. On certain days like yesterday, I lean towards the Sienna and other days, like today, I lean towards the Odyssey. I change my mind daily.

    If I were to buy a mid-size sedan, it would NOT be a problem. It would be the Accord w/NAV all the way instead of the Camry w/NAV.

    If I were to buy a compact sedan, it would be a Civic instead of a Corolla.

    If I were to buy a Cross-over SUV, it would be a Pilot instead of a Highlander.

    If I were to buy any Luxury sedan, it would be a Lexus instead of an Acura.

    If I were to buy a Luxury SUV, it would be a Lexus instead of an Acura.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Member Posts: 1,031
    Hmm, nice choices andrew!
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    (Hey, in the really olden days the "stickguy" and the "laundryguy" could have been working together to get those clothes clean! ;-))

    stickguy: Great points! I was going to mention the extremely low "quality of sound" ratings I would give to my beloved-children's shrieks. Even discounting the quality of the sound, I'm equally convinced that it would be nearly impossible to get really usable decibel readings with so many potential variables. I mean, maybe it was Winter when the Odyssey was tested and the driver and/or tester was wearing a down jacket (absorbing some noise)? Was there cloth or leather seating surfaces (I would imagine cloth is a better sound-absorber than leather)? Where was the decibel meter microphone placed each time and how well isolated from mounting-transmitted vibrations was it? Too many variables for any but the grossest of comparisons.

    laundryguy: Thank you for the first hand report on an ANC system. Yours is far more trustworthy than the glowing "unbiased" reviews I usually see from the inventors/promoters/marketers.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    Thanks.
    There will be three big things I look forward to in the '05 Ody.
    First, of course, is the awesome Touch-Voice 7" Navigation system and rearview camera.
    Second is the beautiful electrofluorescent instrument panel.
    Third is the great looking Acura-like chrome grille.

    I just read on the Ody Club forum someone said he has actually seen the new '05 Ody being tested. He said he was not impressed with the exterior or interior and that the new Ody will not have both NAV and DVD RES on the same vehicle. So he bought the '04 Ody EX-L-RES instead. I hope not.
  • fbearfbear Member Posts: 117
    If it is true that you cannot get both NAV and DVD, I think I w0uld get the NAV and have an after market DVD installed. Any thoughts?
  • jchan2jchan2 Member Posts: 4,956
    reports have stated that the rear seat entertainment system will be available with the navigation system. That's just a rumor though. We're still waiting for a confirmation from bamaboy. Where did he go anyways? Is he too busy testing Odysseys?
  • dannodanno Member Posts: 114
    'bama boy probably got shut down by Honda management. After he let it slip that he moved cars after production, it wouldn't be too hard for Honda to lay down the law. Probably not more than 50 emplyees in that group.
  • ac00lraac00lra Member Posts: 69
    I agree completely. If I can't get those together, I would get the one with NAV since that's fully integrated with audio controls and climate control, especially with the voice control. I actually prefer third party DVD systems since I can get one that play VCDs and SVCDs also instead of just DVDs. :-) Also, you can get one with a really large screen. So I wouldn't call it a loss if Honda doesn't offer that combination.
  • ac00lraac00lra Member Posts: 69
    Just found something interesting. While surfing OdyClub, which has a link to HondaPreview, which then brings you here:

    http://www.collegehillshonda.com/odyssey/05_exterior.htm

    Look at the exterior accessory option for 2005 Odyssey. It lists the following trims: EXL, EXL-R, EXL-RN :-)

    So if I can guess, I would say EXL-RN stands for EX with Leather, RES, and NAVI. So that should put all your worries to rest. Honda will indeed offer both as an option.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    That's exactly what I did on my '03 Ody. I added DVD player and VCR+TV Tuner to my Ody w/NAV.
    However, if I had the choice between factory NAV + factory DVD OR after market DVD+VCR+TV, I would pick the factory DVD 100% of the time.
    I hate RF modulated audio, which is the case with ALL aftermarket DVD players. You have to turn your volume way up to hear anything and you will get some radio interference from time to time, depending on the radio stations around you.
    If the new Ody has only one or the other intead of both DVD + NAV, I will definitely get the Sienna.
    If the new Ody has only one or the other, it would most likely mean Honda will not match the Sienna in any way.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I've tried the Bose ANC headphones about 4 years ago, and I did not think it worked that well. Perhaps it worked some, but I did not think that great.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    You never know.
    Sure, I like absolute quietness and smoothness, but there are other things to consider. Since it's obvious I can't have everything, I will have to pick one that has more of what I want.
    For example, quieter ride or better NAV? I pick better NAV.
    Laser Cruise Control or beautiful electrofluorescent instrument panel?
    I pick the beautiful panel.
    Something like that.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    Yeah, you would think Honda is smart enough to include both, but until we actually see it or hear it directly from HONDA, everything is just a rumor.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    In a way, I hope bamaboy is wrong about the no woodtrim:-)
    I've seen good woodtrim in the Honda Accord (dealer installed), why not the Odyssey since the Ody is suppose to get the Accord "treatment".
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    Kids watch too much TV anyway. Let them look out the window and find license plates like in the old days. Or just get a nice portable DVD unit that use can take out of the car (for motels, other cars, etc) and save a bunch of $$.

    Point is, life is full of compromises. As Andrew so clearly articulates, you need to decide what is most important to you and base your decision on the available options. I won't get NAV, am particular about front seat comfort, and prefer agile handling and a firmer ride over a floaty ride/wallowy handling. I also want a moonroof, but don't want a power hatch (or even doors).

    Does my ideal exist? Probably not, so I have to decide which of the available options comes closest, with price factored in obviously.

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  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    American Airlines issues them in Business & First on the Tokyo to NY run, and I was extremely impressed. It killed the 'white noise' common on aircraft, but might not make that much of a difference in other environments. I went out and bought a cheaper pair made by Panasonic (couldn't really justify the high price charged by Bose), and have used them on several other carriers. Not as good, but still effective & makes the trip less tiring. I will have to try them out in my Ody and see if it kills some of the tire/road noise.

    Steve
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,495
    The various pics that have popped up have all looked fine to me. I actually find the current van to be attractive, and in some ways the Sienna a tad overdone, but certainly OK. There is only so much you can do with a shoebox design wise.

    Now, the interior is a much bigger deal. I really like the seats in the new Accord, and love the dash and instruments. Transplant that stuff into the Ody, add a dash mounted shifter (ala Sienna), and I would be happy, especially if it has the built-in XM radio (I really want to try it).

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I'm thinking the same thing.
    It's never going to look like an exotic sports car like Porsche, NSX, etc.
    It's never going to look like a luxury sedan like Lexus, Mercedes, BMW.
    But the interior can look as good as anything out there.
    Although I've always been a Toyota/Lexus fan, I am so proud of Honda for the Accord's interior looks. Yes, please give us that kind of look in the Odyssey and it's a winner. That Accord voice-activated NAV and steering wheel almost makes me want to cry :-)

    Yeah, the outside can't look any better or worse.
    Although I saw this pic on the Odyclub forum someone had played with in which he took the Ody shape and Acura RL shape and combined the two.
    Oh my gosh! It looks better than any luxury SUV or minivan I've seen.
    So I guess it is possible to have a great, sexy looking minivan. But it won't be a Honda or Toyota. It would have to be a Lexus or Acura.
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Member Posts: 840
    I can't believe I'm replying to my own post.
    I just wanted to retract my statement "If the new Ody has only one or the other intead of both DVD + NAV, I will definitely get the Sienna".
    DVD isn't everything. Heck, it's not even for me. What am I thinking?
    The NAV is for me:-)
    Besides, Honda can put that DVD player right into the cup holder slot on the dash, unless they have totally changed the layout.
    The game is still wide open, man.
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