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One thing about those good old days, though. When Dad was playing the "alphabet game" with us (get one letter per sign outside our car and work your way through the alphabet), it could get dicey when he "fudged" and tried to speed past a sign he'd already harvested or slow down to read one himself. Even preachers aren't perfect.
Unfortunately (or not!), it's hard to play the alphabet game any more as the quantity of road signs is so much lower. Ah well, we get by somehow....
Wow. Honda sure is playing hardball on a model that will be launched in 2 months.
Then we can say all that secrecy hardball playing was worth it.
Otherwise, we'll be saying, "Those Honda idiots made us wait and guess and played hardball for absolutely no reasons!"
I think there is absolutely NOTHING I'm SURE about with the new Ody.
Of course, this can't be doing much for resale for people that bought at MSRP or close in the last year or 2.
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One local dealer advertises that they have over 40 new Odys to choose from.
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If you didn't care about new features, you could probably get an Ody for $6,000 off MSRP and get $10K off MSRP for the '04 RL.
I remember when a local Toyota dealer advertised $6K off MSRP for the '03 Sienna.
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When I test drove the RL a few weeks ago just for fun, the sales manager said, "You'd be surprised how much we'll be willing to take off to get rid of the '04 models. If you're truly interested, I can sell you one for $8K off sticker."
So I figured if I haggled a little, $10K wouldn't be hard to do.
Actually, if the new ones are a dissapointment (or not significantly changed), the old ones could rally.
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Like you said, at least $4,100 off MSRP. But I think by next month, it should be $5,000 off MSRP. They need to get rid of the '04 soon, especially in July since August is the rumored release of the '05.
Pesronally, if I were to buy the '04, I would wait until July and shoot for $6,000 off MSRP. You never know. They might get desperate.
If you do decide on the 2004 and are not fussy about color & options then it might be fun to play the waiting game and see just how big the savings get at the 11th hour. When the 2002 BMW 7 Series redesign was about to be released, BMW offered a factory rebate of $7,500 to get the 2001's off the lot...that was on top of the dealer discounts of over $5000 off MSRP. $12,000 off MSRP was what tempted me off the cliff to buy my dream car. (My wife drives the 2000 Odyssey.)
All that said, I doubt Honda will need to add factory rebates to move the 2004 Odysseys because I think there are enough people on the edge of being able to afford an Ody that 4,000 or 5,000 from the dealer will be enough to do it. With the 7 series, the target audience had more disposable income to be considering that car in the first place and therefore needed a bigger push to take the old instead of waiting for the new. In that case, buying the old car turned out to be the winning decision as the redesign has proven controversial with respect to both the look (dopey bubble trunk lid) and the newfangled "iDrive" driver interface...but I doubt Honda will do anything drastically wrong with the new Ody.
It was a bold step to try to unclutter the dash. BMW claims it is the future of the driver-car interface but many many people have complained that it is too complex and want their buttons back. Later iterations have been simplified with more control being made available by dash mounted buttons as well as through the iDrive.
Some examples - odyclub, TOV, College Hills.
It was a bold step to try to unclutter the dash. BMW claims it is the future of the driver-car interface but many many people have complained that it is too complex and want their buttons back. Later iterations have been simplified with more control being made available by dash mounted buttons as well as through the iDrive.
Thanks.
I guess I would love the iDrive, but it would "Drive" my wife crazy!
You wouldn't happen to know if the BMW's NAV is touch-screen and voice-activated, would you?
The new Ody better be.
Does the Honda Elysion's pic of the dash look like it has the iDrive to you?
People must be asking for $4-5K off MSRP everywhere.
Sounds great for those looking to grab a steal of a deal on the '04.
I just think it is extremely hilarious they would be so pissed off like that.
What's the big deal, Honda?
I am not familiar with Honda Elysion picture you refer to.
I am not familiar with Honda Elysion picture you refer to.
Just as Accord/TSX/TL are all based on the same platform, we have Odyssey/Pilot/MDX/LaGreat on the same platform. The TSX is a modified European/JDM Accord. So it's not that difficult to take the Elysion and modify a little bit to make it for the American market. After all, they took a JDM accord (ala TSX), put in a bigger engine and stretch it 12 more inches and make it a TL. :-) Sounds similar? 12 more inches to Elysion and 0.5+ more liter. Not that difficult to do in a short time.
With the official pictures of Elysion now out, I like it. Looks very futuristic. I will head out to my local Honda dealer and reserve one this weekend. Hehe.
I know a lot of folks in this forum have been sick of reading about it. But I think it's becoming very clear now. At least to me. :-)
It would cost way too much to come out with something 100% different.
Elysion - A 250 hp 3.0L iVTEC V6 has the VCM technology. Other advanced features like collision mitigation brake system (CMS), Real Time 4WD system, SU-LEV emission and more. There are two sunroofs on Elysion, the regular one in the front and a large on above the 2nd & 3rd seats. Although, it is shorter and narrower than Odyssey. The low-floor platform provides more interior space.
Anyone have pics of the interior that they can link to? If they did a nice job on the seats and dashboard, this has everything that we (wifee and I) want in her next car. Moonroof is required, one in the back would be a nice bonus!
Anyone know how big the Elysion is in US measurements (roughly)?
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http://www.honda.co.jp/ELYSION/photocollection/
Click on the tab next to pictures. It has 3 movies, though not very revealing plus commentary is in japanese.
Elysion is 10" shorter then the current Odyssey. It is a few inches narrower and a tad higher. It's footprint is very close to that of a Mazda MPV. They know we are too stupid to buy something like an Elysion in large quantity. Also, the displacement and hp can not be less then the current Odyssey. The 05 will be a rehashed 04 Odyseey. I wish it wasn't so.
The dimensions for Odyssey (US model) are: 204.2" L, 77.4" W and 69.6" H.
So, it can't be our next Odyssey?
Actually what I'm hoping for is for Acura to take the Elysion, add some power to it, give it better suspension and touch up the interior a bit more and sell it as an Acura brand. I'll take it in a heartbeat. :-) Just like they did with the TSX.
Come to think of it, one Acura salesman told me that Acura will have a luxury can in less than 2 years. Sounds good to me. :-)
However, I guess the feature list might be of interest, though.
"Introducing, the 2005 Acura MSX" or something like that?
Heck, yeah.
You never know. Honda did beat Toyota and Nissan with the 1999 Odyssey. It may do it again with the Acura minivan since neither Lexus nor Infiniti has one.
Just kidding.
Okay, the new Ody will look very similar to the current Ody except it will have better safety and high-tech features, rides smoother and quieter.
I just can't stand all this guessing!
I second the idea of the Acura Elysion. Jam in the the 300 HP and AWD from the upcoming RL, slap leather everywhere, and look out. It would kick the MDXs butt performance wise, and probably have more room too.
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Hopefully, if an Acura van is in the works, it will be known before the new Ody arrives.
That would be sooooooooooooooooooooo wrong of them!
But as much as I would like an Acura minivan, I just doubt it will ever happen for one reason: not enough sales.
I mean how many people buy a $40K Sienna XLE Limited AWD w/NAV+DVD?
Most people who are very rich would rather buy a Lexus LX 470, and if that didn't have enough room, they would buy two.
Most people just want a basic minivan, not even the top-of-the-line.
Another example is the Landcruiser vs. LX 470. If people can afford a Landcruiser, why wouldn't they get the LX 470 instead? But fact is, people buy the Landcruiser because it's $5-6K less, and apparently, that's enough saving for them.
Until someone pulls a bold stunt and turn a minivan into a luxury performance cruiser and take the risks of losing money for the first few years, people will still view the minivan is being less cool than the SUV.
The only one with enough money to take the risk would be Toyota/Lexus, not Honda/Acura.
Sure, I would buy an Acura minivan, and so would some of us. But how many other?
I don't know. Perhaps it will be enough. Perhaps if Acura had a minivan, it would attract the attention and sales of fans of other makes like Toyota, Chrysler, Nissan, and Honda, etc.
If they just take the next Ody, and keep basic powertrain the same (maybe tune the engine a little bit more), re-do the interior and add some features, with a different front (like the Pilot and MDX), then you're talking about a minimal investment.
I can see a market for that, enough to turn a profit. Maybe there are people out there that need bigger vehicles, want luxury, but don't have many choices with minivans and get SUV's instead. Or Honda buyers who would like all the gadgets. And also, many people who are buying $40K vehicles may not be well off enough to not care at all about gas mileage, so that could be a factor as well to swing someone from a lux SUV. It would certainly be the first minivan marketed exclusively as a luxury family hauler, so that in itself would create some buzz
I, for one, would love to seem them give it a try
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I'm not advocating making the Ody bigger but I highly doubt they would make it smaller when the current size has proven much more successful than the original size Ody, the standard DC, the MPV, and the Sorrento. Making it smaller would reduce it's cargo carrying capacity - a key determiner of success IMHO.
I could see the Elysion here as an Acura because of the V6. Personally I liked the idea of the current JDM Odyssey coming here as an Acura but with just a 4 cylinder it wouldn't cut it.