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That's why Dodge still outsells any other company.
My father-in-law bought two Carvan. He wants the Ody really bad, but did not want to spend the $$.
Yeah, top of the line minivans are in the minority group. I guess Toyota just tries to please a wider range. They can afford to do that because they are so much bigger than Honda as a company.
I can understand Honda not having all the toys added. I will also predict that the Ody will outsell the Sienna.
But yeah, if you have money to spend, you for it.
Heck, if I were Bill Gates, I'd have a $380K Maybach in addition to the Lexus LX470 he drives:)
Peace.
I bet Bill Gates justifies a lot of the things he buys.
Why? It would be so boring if you didn't have to justy something.
I mean, if I were Bill Gates, I'd say, "I want to buy a $380K Maybach because I can afford it and it seems cool to me".
I want to buy a minivan with NAV+DVD+Rearview Camera+Laser Cruise+Intuitive Parking+Power 2nd row doors+Power rear door+360 Watts JBL 10Speaker stereo system+2nd & 3rd row sunshades+Tri-Zone Climate+everything but the kitchen sink BECAUSE most people don't have it and because it's cool.
Anyways, it will be fun to see the new Ody.
Are you that loyal to Honda?
Just curious.
I guess some people just have plenty of money to spend without even seeing the actual product.
Oh well. If you don't like it, you can always trade it in for something else, right?
Most of us can afford a $30-$40K minivan, but we would not put any money down until we at least see what it looks like first.
Yeah, I hope it does not look anything like the Nissan Quest.
Because its a van. An appliance. And Honda (imho) make the best appliances out there. Ultimately I'm buying an Odyssey because of its functionality. My other car is a 325i. I would never order a BMW sight-unseen, especially given what Chris Bangle's design direction has been producing for them the last few years.
The Odyssey will haul my wife, my kids, pets and stuff. And I figure the 2005 will be worth a lot more than a 2004 when I turn it over three year out. Is there any reason to believe that Honda will ruin the formula for 2005? Not really. When did they last take a radical styling step with a bread and butter vehicle?
So is it really foolish to take a (small) risk in putting a deposit and saving $750 on a sight-unseen Odyssey in April? No more so than waiting for confirmation of Hondas continued improvement, getting at the end of another long line and getting gouged by greedy dealers when they have another big hit on their hands.
There are exceptions for special orders of course (so the dealer doesn't get stuck with a pink Lincoln with no AC or some such unsaleable car). If anything, the dealer will want to give it back, and sell at MSRP to someone off the street (assuming the van is as nice as expected).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
PS: Agree with you about new BMW's being hit with the 'Bangle stick.'
MSRP / MSRP -$750/ under-invoice / Invoice + $500
dont mean anything. IT is just demand v/s supply. Also dealer add-ons can how company set's up its model lineup/options makes all the difference. In my opinion Toyota pricing is complicated and leave a lot of room for the Sales person to gyp the customer. Honda option pricing and model lineup is simple.
Sienna pricing will come under pressure as demand goes down for it when Honda introduces its new model. At that point (not now) you look at the sale price of Brand X and Brand Y and see what you get for the money and make your decision. If you are emotionally tied to one brand,you buy it regardless of what the other offers. But you will pay a lower price for it come september as the field will be crowded with newer models competing for your dollars.
Like many said, I am not commit anything unless I see the actual product or any information to back it up. This is unlike the 2005 Lexus RX400h. There are already 50 people with $500 refundable deposit on the wait list in one local dealer. This is different because we have seen the actual pictures and the specification of the car from many sources.
Although the Honda dealer is attempting to hedge their bets by asking for a non-refundable deposit, I'm sure the State Attorney General would have something to say if I wanted to back out before the actual assignment of VIN's.
As I said before, my risk is minimal.
You don't even know if it might meet your expectation for your next vehicle or not... as great as Honda they might just change the concept of a minivan.
To top it all off... Dealer doesn't know the prices, colours they might be getting. anyway, seems to be a pretty stupid thing to do. It's not like they will run out of them before they even land. Technically they can't sell anything until they have the VIN number!
although, i can understand Fame part of it over the Town Hall or pride of having the first one to be sold in the country!?
Wonder how long before supply catches up to the initial demand. CHristmas sound about right? The wife is kinda interested, and if she likes, it might be on target for the holidays.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I've enjoyed your info & insight into the features of the upcoming '05 Ody.
Just out of curiosity- I assume there are at least a number of '05 Ody prototypes or manufacturing mules running around your plant. Why hasn't anyone tried to take a spy photo of one?
Sienna CE - $23495, LE - $25020, XLE - $29020, XLE Limited - $35240
Odyssey LX - $24490, EX - $26990, EX with DVD - $27740, EX-L - $28490
EX-L with DVD - $29990, EX-L with Navi - $30490.
I checked out the Honda Japanese website. And I don't see the LaGreat on the auto lineup. But I can still find info on LaGreat when doing a search. Is that mean the LaGreat is fading in JDM and to be replaced with 8-passenger Elysion?
So when the new Ody does hit the dealer lots, I bet you can get any Sienna at invoice. There is no way you can get any new 05 Ody at invoice. I think you might get $1K off MSRP, but now way close to invoice on the 05 Ody for 1 year.
So I think the new Sienna will be a better money deal for most people once the new Odys hit the dealers.
Another plus for the Sienna, they will have had a year to work out the bugs, and maybe will improve the content packaging a bit (such as offer a power seat on the LE).
Competition is a good thing my friends. And there will be lots of nice choices by this fall.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
So when somebody says they got a Sienna for $500 over invoice it might be closer to $1000 over in reality after the advertising fee is added to the invoice. Not that anyone ever strays from reality on these boards?
If nothing else, the popularity of the Sienna will make sure that Honda is aggressive in pricing the '05 Ody, and Toyota will probably take some steps to stay ahead.
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1. VCM or Variable Cylinder Management will be on the 05 which in short will shut off three cylinders when they are not needed, increasing your fuel mileage.
2. AWD will not be making an appearance in 05 despite the request of dealers asking for this feature. Honda is stating that the standard traction control that is now available offers substantial traction and safety. AWD will be considered at a later time if demand increases.
3. The Voice-Activated Navigation System which is now available on the Accord will be present in the 2005.
4. EX models with Leather will come equipped with a factory moon roof.
5. Current model matrix indicates LX, EX, EXL, EXL-R, EXL-RN. If you do the math EXL-RN would indicate Leather, Rear Entertainment System and Navigation. In related information it appears Honda will not offer a dealer installed Entertainment System for vehicles without it standard.
6. Color mix is to include Black, Dark Blue Pearl, Light Blue Metallic, White, Dark Green Pearl, Silver Pearl, Light Green Metallic, Red Pearl and Beige Metallic. Specific color names are not available at this time.
7. Some of the new accessories for 2005 include underbody spoiler kits, auto day/night mirror, body-matched back-up sensors, door visors, cooler bags, 3rd row sunshade, interior cargo board, table leg kit, and all season floor mats to name a few.
Unless we are told differently the 2005 Odyssey will be hitting showrooms in August-September 2004. The first dealer order allocations should be coming out sometime around June.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=231195
I only have 1 concern, 17 cup holders??? My goodness!! :-) This wait is killing me. I gotta check out the Drive-by-wire throttle on the new Ody. I'm too used to it on my TSX now and I just love it. All the other stuffs are very cool and practical, too. Definitely wouldn't disappoint me if all those were true.
Now the big question to anyone - WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS???
Why does the Japanese version get the luxurious treatment and the US version never does?
Anyway, also sat in an Accord, which had great seats. Get a version of them w/armrests, and I will be happy. Also good news about the moonroof, cause we have one now and I would hate to give it up
Better seats + better dash + moonroof + similar price = no reason to look at the MDX again. Current EX-L is about $28,890. Add a roof and keep it below 30K, and it will be a much better deal than a Sienna.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Thanks!!!
I would like know more about that: Are you sure the new Ody will offer 8-passenger seating? If yes, it will be a big hit - but if I remember, bamaboy pointed out that only 7-passenger will be available, and no 8-pass.
8-passenger seating in a minivan was a GM-exclusive until now, and with the new redesign they will drop this offer - too bad, it's one of the most important things it dragged buyers. Now all those customers who needs 8-passengers will switch to Sienna or, if the new new Ody will offer it, to the Odyssey.