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For now, without seeing the finished product, I think the front and rear of the new Ody are a mismatch.
For some reasons, I think the front end reminds me of the Acura RL and the rear end reminds me of the Nissan Quest.
I think Honda/Acura needs a seperate designer for the front and rear end. I like the front end of the RL and Accord, but I do not like the rear end very much. Same here with the Ody; front end is beautiful, but back end looks very weird. If the front end looks like the RL in terms of chrome grille, it will be a masterpiece on the front end.
I would have liked the rear end of the old Ody and the new front end put together. But, no. That would make my decisions way too easy.
Now for me it's like, beautiful Front end + awesome NAV and instrument panel of the Ody or woodtrim, gated shifter, better side and rear view of the Sienna? If Toyota would give the Sienna the front end looks of the LS 430 and the NAV+ instrument panel of the LS 430, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Well, not that fast, but close:-)
It looks promising. I hope Honda doesn't make us buy cross-bars to go with the roof-rack like they did with the old Ody.
So I like it overall, just like most people so far.
On the interior, Nissan needs to improve on material quality. I don't like the instrument layout being in the middle and think the Odyssey instrument layout will be better.
It would be something else if the new Ody offered a Mazda-sized moonroof. I am assuming the Honda moonroof will be comparable in size to the current moonroof in the MDX. There seems to be speculation that the moonroof will only be offered in the Touring model.
Will there be a Touring model that offers a moonroof and DVD, but no navigation / rear camera? Will Honda offer rear park assist as a cheaper alternative to a rear camera?
Here's the link also:
http://thehollywoodextra.com/honda/2005%20Honda.jpg
This is the article with the pic:
http://thehollywoodextra.com/honda/honda.html#Odyssey
some people are saying that the new ody is the japanese Honda Elision, but then other people are saying it's totally different, like a Mazda MPV SO.....
which is the real design (I hope it's the latter one)
The only good part of that news is that we don't have to be afraid that much of first year bugs - with the exception for the new VCM engine.
I also don't like the rear end at all - it looks very similar to the current Ody - which I don't like either. I like the rear-end of domestic models better, but the Siennas rear end (and rear end only) looks pretty nice, too.
See that high mounted stop lamp on top of the rear window? Still the old Ody type. Sienna has now nice LED lamps which is much more modern, nice and effective. Even Ford did it with the new Freestar, and added those LED lamps which are beautiful.
Honda also moved the liftgate handle and hide it, probably like the Sienna and Chrysler minivans. I do like more the liftgate handle of the Freestar - it's the most comfortable in my opinion. I don't like those electronic openers...
- type in "2005 Honda Odyssey spy photo"
- go to the first link.
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Is this update worth MSRP at launch?
$2,000 over MSRP?
More than $2,000 over MSRP?
or will the 2005 Ody be discounted from MSRP on the 1st day it gets launched?
Like the man said, what Honda dealers can do depends on how aggressive Toyota is, and whether Honda artificially holds back the supply. Best bet for buyers is they both produce as many vans as possible and fight for dominance.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Last time, Odyssey beat up Sienna badly by
- larger engine 3.5L vs 3.0L
- folding 3rd row seats
- larger interior room
- independent suspension, all disk brakes, 5-speed auto
- overall value for less (MSRP to MSRP)
This time, the difference is narrowing. I don't think Toyota enjoy being beat up twice in a row. Unless Honda has something in their sleeves that we are not aware of this time.
How about?
- disappearing 2rd seats (rumored)
- skylight (those in Quest) - what not copy from Nissan?!
- roll-down 3rd windows (seem unlikely from spy photos)
- anything else?
250 hp vs 230
power folding 3rd row seat (rumored)
VCM
lager interior
better handling
DVD screen 9"
Drive-By-Wire
Adjustable pedals
The only difference I see is that the '05 looks much better at the front and the '04 looks much better at the back end.
As far as prices go, if I can get $5K off MSRP on a Sienna Limited w/NAV+RES and only $1K off MSRP on the Ody Touring w/NAV+RES, I would get the Sienna anyday especially now that I THINK Honda has screwed up the back end of the Ody.
But I will definitely use the '05 Ody as leverage on the negotiation.
To me the Sienna looks so much more aerodynamic and smooth while the Ody looks very bulky, boxy, and heavy. I still like the front end, but that's about it. From what I can see, I think the interior looks alright, but nothing special--nothing that I would pay MSRP or even $2K under MSRP for.
$5K off XLE Limited Navi+RES Sienna? Is it really going to happen?
I just priced it at $1600 off MSRP from carsdirect.com. I would be tempted also. $5K off is below invoice by $1k.
and you think the Sienna is more aerodynamic looking. really?
you won't need to leverage it to buy the Sienna. deep down, you prefer the ODY.
if not, why are you waiting? be honest with yourself. to get a better deal on the Sienna?
anyway, you know you *really* like the big NAV display in the ODY pic you've seen...you'll be buying the ODY - maybe just for that alone. you know you will. maybe they'll toss in some wood trim too for good measure.
back to the NAV - this is a major item for you.
and as for tossing stuff in - don't you think it will have other ingredients the Sienna has, but probably standard?
hope you realize i'm just having some fun. it will be interesting to see the real vehicle configuration won't it?
regards.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
For those of you who don't know, AN is the dealer bible publication.
Interestingly, the caption below the photo mentions a new little factoid- "Honda engineers added interior space by making the minivan WIDER."
Have fun with that info guys....
Kongo writes:
I spied the same '05 Odyssey test mule on the road near Honda's NA HQ here in Torrance.
It has "Ohio Mfg" plates, and inside were two guys in matching Honda polo shirts. I rolled up next to them at red light (I was driving my '03 Odyssey) and motioned for the passenger to roll down the window. He did so and I asked, "Is that the '05 Odyssey?" He quickly rolled up the window and looked straight ahead!
- The 2nd row window has two parts. The front part can be rolled down. The second part is also glass (hidden frame under) but fixed like today's version. Basically, it has hidden frame unlike the Sienna's. The Odyssey's design makes it look slick like current version while still have roll-down windows.
- 3rd window could be even more interesting. I guess it also has two parts. Front part is fixed glass like what we have today. The second part could be a power-flipped out triangle window/ or a roll-down triangle window. Otherwise, why would Honda mask out that part specifically and completely. There must be something new to it that Honda don't want competitors (and us) to see.
Any comments? Just my observations plus wild guesses.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
After the month-long waiting, yesterday I saw the leaked photos. I am disappointed! I am disappointed at the Odyssey, Honda and some posts here.
The new Odyssey’s front is plain, the rear is ugly, and the side is weird. The interior? Not sure, they tried to keep as top nuclear secret. But I won’t be surprised there’s nothing interesting there. Overall, this is 04 design carried over to 05 and being called “All New”.
Disappointing!
Though there is one or two thoughtful doubts mixed here there in the posts, they are quickly shot down by blind enthusiasm. That explains why despite the waves of calling Honda to bring the Japanese styled design to America, they simply don’t bother. Why spend money on a new design when a reskined old car sure is welcomed unquestionably?
Long ago, I heard the story Honda only sells top-class car in domestic market. America/ Europe got second-class, and the rest got garbage. I had my doubt. The doubt is reality to me.
Keep the good comments on. See what kinda Honda garbage will bring us next.
As to the spy pics, I believe all the vans shot have had some camo on. You would be surprised what a few pieces of tape can do to desguise the lines of a car.
The impression that I have gotten all along is that the major changes were going to be to the interior, and features liek roll down center windows, and split folding seat. And while the platform might be largely carried over, it is probably significantly reworked to improve ride/handling/noise etc.
Anyway, I know nothing more than the rest of you, but I do know that you need to wait for the official info to be released to really know whats different, and to see and drive it to know how effective the changes are.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
See, I can get $3K off MSRP before any haggling.
I figure I can use the Ody's release and get at least another $1K off, so it's $4K off MSRP.
But if I wait until the end of the year and get these dealers to pill up on inventory, I figure I can get $5K off.
I sense the humor:-)
Nav is the big thing to me.
Front grille is too.
I don't think it will be the 8" NAV like the TSX or TL, but 7" is good enough to me.
Now if Toyota would follow and change the Sienna's NAV to the Lexus LS Bluetooth 7" Voice-Activated NAV, I would go for that.
But, yeah, I think the Ody's NAV will be great.
So Ody will have "Acura" NAV and Sienna will have "Toyota" NAV.
I give the Ody huge points for NAV and Grille, but I will have to see the final product to judge the rest.
Well, I better wait to judge anything period.
Plus, how do we know the '05 Sienna won't have upgrades?
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0406/30/autos-199589.htm
I have had about 10 non-maintenance related problems with my BMW over 6+ years of ownership. In contrast, my '01 Odyssey EX-NAVI has been problem-free so far.