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Dealer says not to worry, everything is ok, famous last words...I've done everything I can at this point, topped up oil(down 1/2 liter)and will check filter tightness seeing what happened to the other fellow. This is my status:
-Shell ultra always(it does perform better, CRD and Passat 2.0)
-Stanadyne
-0w40 mobil 1
I'm disapointed with the dealer saying everything is fine, drive it till it breaks and then we can fix it. I don't have that luxury working on aircraft, they have a habit of falling out of the sky when the engine quits...I'll post when I have something significant to report.
Kellog13
If you have an oil mess, you have a mechanical problem and they should address it asap. My assumption is that a seal behind a bearing is leaking. If you can find the oil leak you can find the problem, in most cases.
Good luck and please post your results for our education.
I have been without my CRD for 10 days now because of the F37 recall and a problem uploading the new software to the ECM and TCM. The control units locked up and Daimler/Chrysler has been notified. Dealer says we gotta wait.
In the mean time, I have been given a rental car for an indefinite amount of time and told not to worry about the cost (I asked twice because I couldn't believe they meant it) no matter how long they keep the Jeep. The dealership has been very very good about this and the service advisor is extremely professional and clear about the issue.
Like when they don't know the answer to something he says "I don't know and will find out" instead of making up an answer. I give them credit for honesty.
This would decrease the amount of lubrication for the bearing and would in time cause damage from wear.
Also if left as it is evenually you would have oil leaking by the bearing .This is common on most turbo's after many years use.
Do you have oil in your air intake
is it an escessive amount of oil?.
Have you tried talking to the General manager,or owner of the Dealership? about your unresolved concerns.
A Five star Dealer is supposed to resolve any concerns on your vehicle.
In Canada we have a customer assistance center we can call to complain about our unresolved issues with a dealer.
It usually gets fixed right away after.
But I am not sure if you have the same in the U.S.
Does the dealership have trained Diesel mechanics specific to the 2.8L.If they don't ?
I would try another Dealership First to get results.
I am sure there is another dealer in Florida right?
I hope you get this resolved soon.
I believe Dcx Administration is on holidays till the Newyear.
Good luck..
Lightnin..
The dealer did take it back and look it over and documented they made a mistake on paper.
Please let me know.
Nescosmo.
Everything was going good for me until I got that Christmas Card from DiamlerChrisler. I understand the way things are manufactured these days you will get a recall now and then. A torque converter replacement is a biggie. What really gets to me is the de-tuning of my engine so it won't damage the weak torque converter and transmission. I want the vehicle that I paid the extra money for at least.
Then I find out that it would be very impractical to trade out of my problem as it's value has dropped more than $10,000 from when I purchased it a year and a-half ago.
Maybe B&M can come up with a fix.
Thanks for lettin me spout off here, I have enjoyed all the posts for the Liberty Diesel in the past.
FAROUT FAROUT FAROUT RESPOND.
Nescosmo.
I say this because of the class action lawsuit of the owners of the Mustang Cobra edition.
At the time, the Cobra was touted as having "X" amount of Horse Power. When many owners had dynoed their car they found out that they were severally under the advertised horse power stated by Ford.
Long Story short, Ford lost, Cobra owners won the class action suit. As of my understanding many of the owners were fairly compensated.
Are there any attorney's in here that would take our case? Is this something that we as a group would want to sign up for? As a whole we're a lot stronger then just a few against DMX.
Good luck.
We now have close to 27,000 miles on the CRD. The F 37 is a month old now. I don't notice a drop in power or torque. However we are getting more jerkiness when it's 5th lockup. I have blown it's nose several times and it just does not go away for more than a few hours. I am wondering is this jerkiness is what others call a shudder? I have to go back to the shop that did the F 37 because my power mirrors don't work after the F 37 was done.
Hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
Farout
When a few had said how much about how much the resale value had dropped on our CRD's, I was very discouraged! So I checked this out for my self. Our CRD is a 05 Sport the list was about $28,300. it has several factory add on's which we like. We paid $25.157. We bought it Sept. 29,05. The NADA says it's worth about $ 19,600. with 27,000 miles on the Liberty. I talked with a few dealers about trading it and all were willing to do that and even a little more. I would advise not to take much as gospel truth, unless you can prove it's truth for your self. There are placed in the US that do have a weak resale market, and perhaps there might be a $10,000 drop in resale value. You have to check out these things for the area in which you live.
My advice is to drive it and keep it with the DCX Service Contract, which extends the warranty and offers better protection for your investment.
Remember that there are more than 550,000 of these CRD's running in Europe, and have a very good quality report and they seem to last a good long time. A person can become so anxious that you can hate the CRD based on hear say. Just drive it and relax as much as possible.
Many other vehicle makers have many more problems too. Some fight tooth and nail to fight you at every turn. I had two Ford Company vehicles that were junk and Ford did so very very little. Also the cars in the fifties and sixties were much much worse than you can imagine, we have a much better system in place to help consumers than 30 years ago.
Hope this helps.
Farout.
Farout
Nescosmo.
I do very little work myself, and after looking at the filter I am thinking this looks rather difficult, is it and how long does it take?
Farout
Nescosmo.
There is a 1 800 # at the back of the owners manual to order a manual.
I ordered my service manual .It cost me about $140.00.
Very detailed,although you almost have to highlight those chapters that refers to the engine and tranny.
It can be confusing at times when a chapter jumps from the 3.7L to the 2.8L.
re: pappydodd
about the mileage you are getting...
there is a break in period of 30K miles,where it will affect your mileage .
I would also suggest some of these fuel saving tips.That worked for me.
1/When travelling on a flat Hyway keep your cruise set at 55 mph.
I actually run mine at 60 then set the cruise,and decel to 53-55 mph while in 5th.this drops my rpms to 1700-1800rpm's.
I have saved 2 mpg by doing this going to work everyday.
use trucking lanes to avoid the impatient drivers.
2/Use fuel conditioner/additives,that contain a cetane improver,
-or water eliminator/anti gel,
-or lubricity formula top end lube.
suggested use of one these products:
-Stanadyne performance formula or Lubricity formula 1/3 bottle to a fill up.
-Power service cetane improver 1/2 bottle/fill up
-Lucas upper cylinder lube 6 onzes/fill up
3/Fill up with Diesel fuels that have a "premium" or "ultra",U.L.S.D. rating.These will have a higher cetane rating than the regular fuels. eg.B.P.premium, Shell ultra, Sunoco gold ,Citgo #1.
4/oil change before a long trip.use mobil 1 0W40.
5/keep tire pressures at 36-38 psi.
Lets try that for starters.
Let me know if your performance,mileage are better.
peace ..
Lightnin..
Someone who told your your starting is normal, is attempting to avoid having to deal with your problem. Find another 5 star dealer! I finally went to a Dodge dealer who does a lot of Dodge diesel trucks to do all my work. Dodge dealers can do the repair just the same as any Jeep dealer.
Just as a guess several things come to mind. A Water/fuel filter needs changing. bad fuel with bacteria in it, Bio fuel above B-5 being used, and glow plug problems even the wires may be bad. You really need a serious good tec who knows his stuff. I have almost 27,000 miles and have done all the recalls and reflashes too. Hope this helps, please let me know how it turns out.
Farout
I'm going to call the service manager, first off I'm going to get them to clean the engine, everything is covered in oil. However, I was wondering what affect that running the vehicle without a oil dip stick would have? I checked the oil level and it didn't go below the add mark. I did notice that my gas mileage dropped however that could be for other reasons.
One other thing I noticed on the trip was when the engine was cold it wouldn't shift into overdrive. AT 60 mph/ 100 kph the engine was at about 2500 rpm. This lasted about 5 minutes - the outside temperature was approximately 20 degrees fahrenheit. Anyone else experience this problem?
2. No overdrive is not a problem The car is programmed to not go into final drive until a certain temp is reached
Your starting method is most likely your problem. You should look to the upper left area of the dash next to your speedometer, turn the key halfway and if its cold enough you will see a yellow spring illuminate. As soon as the spring goes out you should turn the key further to start the car.
Your method of waiting 10 seconds allows the glowplugs to cool back down and you are then trying to start the car without their benefit. The glowplugs are like the wires of a toaster in that the start to glow orange when you turn the key halfway. It takes them less than two seconds to get hot enough to glow. This also means that they will cool off quickly after the light goes out. So try starting the engine as soon as the indicator (yellow spring) goes out.
If the weather outside is warm or the engine is warm, you will not see the spring and so you do not have to wait.
My 05 CRD has the RBQ 6 disc in dash radio. I have compared the factory and dealer aftermarket versions of UConnect and the factory one is clearly better with a mic in the mirror and a feature that displays phone numbers on the radio.
from what I can tell, the aftermarket Mopar one does not display the phone number and uses a tacky little mic mounted on the headliner.
Also not clear is how easy it is to pair your phone at each startup.
If anyone has the aftermarket one, please post your opinions and whether the cabin noise in our CRDs is a problem for UConnect. I would be very grateful for advice.
Many thanks.
Oh, I'm over two weeks and counting without my CRD which is still in for the F37 recall. They've had it since the Monday BEFORE CHRISTMAS!
My advice is don't be first. If they have done them without issues, get it done. I believe it will ensure a longer life of the drive train.
Nescosmo.
Mine did the exact same thing. The smoke that comes out is sometimes ridiculous. Good luck and I hope you get it resolved. Some smoke is normal, but not what I think you are describing. Bad fuel is possible.
The Rotella oil won't make it smoke. That weight is within spec.
Farout,
As far as mine's build date I don't know the day but it was built in June and at the dealer around the 15th of June. Its the Atlantic Blue Sport.
Does anyone know if the engine is a "dome and skirt" piston design? or just a single piece piston?
F37 Review
I have 1600 miles since the recall was done a couple of weeks ago. The engine runs smoother and the transmission has less engine braking when coating to a stop like an off ramp to a stop sign. The shift points haven't changed and I don't notice a seat-of-the-pants torque change, but I will fine out when I pull my camper. Mileage hasn't changed still around 24-25 on the highway at 65-67mph. I'm ready for my 32,500 mile oil change, I have it done every 5000 miles. Another $90. Long Life: Priceless
Nescosmo
I'm losing my patience.