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Lexus GS 300/GS 430

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  • boomsamaboomsama Posts: 362
    Maybe the ML will be offered on the 300AWD? I mean, since Australia doesn't get the AWD version, we've got the GS300 Sport, GS300 Sport Luxury, and the GS430 Sport. The sport luxury and gs430 come with ML I think.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Lexus announced manufacturer's suggested retail prices (MSRP) for the all-new 2006 GS 300 and GS 430 luxury sports sedans. The GS 300 rear-wheel drive starts at $42,900 and $44,850 for the GS 300 all-wheel drive with standard run-flat tires. The MSRP for the GS 430 starts at $51,125.

     

    All GS models will include standard features such as leather and memory package with seat heaters, Smart Access system, in-dash CD changer, HID headlamps, curtain and knee airbags, wood and leather-trimmed steering wheel and shift knob, 17-inch wheels on GS 300 and 18-inch wheels on the GS 430. The new Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system is standard on the GS 430.
  • Just returned from the show. I must say this car was the number one car at the show. The car is absolutely stunning. I will be at my dealership as soon as the weather improves and the chance of snow is zero. In it's class this car has no competition. 300 or 330 there is no reason to wait.
  • I too have just returned from the Chicago Auto Show. The Lexus handout claimed 0-60 in 7.8 seconds for the new GS300. I have owned a 94 GS300 and a 98 GS300. If I what more performance Than I will have to wait for the redesign IS whatever or jump into a GS430 with a 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. These numbers are Lexus numbers.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Did the handout mention weight ? I thought it was supposed to be reduced, with added HP.

     

    DL
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I thought all along Lexus has been claiming 6.8/6.8 for the RWD/AWD 2006 GS models?????

     

    Im perplexed.

     

    ~alpha
  • Re: GS300 0-60 times, the Lexus site gives these specs: RWD - 6.8 secs, AWD 6.9 secs. This is also what a dealer told me a week ago after his recent test drives and training on the car.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Thats the old car. Perhaps you were looking at the 2005 GS300? The new one will be under 7.
  • lexusguy, after further review, the handout describes the 2005 GS.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    What kind of AWD does the GS use? Does it vary between the front and the rear wheels like Nissan's ATESSA?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Not too much is known about it. I'm sure its related to the electronic system used in the RX330, but that system is FWD biased, where as GS's should be rear biased. They really havent said much in terms of specifics though.
  • Anyone have a suggestion for me on whether or not paying a near extra 10K will be worth it for the GS430? I test drove the 2005 GS300, very disappointed in its responsiveness. From the reviews, it appears that the new GS 300 will go when you tell it to. I don't need to win a drag race but would like for the car to be able to merge onto the freeway quickly. I like the smoothness of Lexus and interior but the quickness of a 5 series BMW. Is all the new vehicle dynamic system on the GS430 worth it? I actually have a down deposit for a GS but now having to decide. My dealership expects them in this week. When will they start integrating the IPODS into Lexus?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The '06 GS300 should be at least a good full second faster to 60 than the '05 car. If the high sixes is good enough, then a GS300 should be fine. The GS430 should come in around 5.5 or so.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    Looks like many manufacturers are abandoning them this year, with the new M and E350 being exceptions. I can't believe that this is a good idea, and the thought of buying a new GS only to have the usual parking lot clowns knock dings in the side seems absurd. Does anyone know if Lexus will offer these moldings as an option (factory)? I know that you can get various after-market people to put them on, but it would seem that the company would at least offer them. For those who say they don't make much difference - they do - I have a 97 528 with 122K on the clock with only one minor ding to date. I try to be careful where I park it, but frankly, it is just not always possible to park "out in the north 40", when there are no spots left. Moldings would be very popular in my opinion.
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    I'm surprised that there's not more action on this topic this week. A local Lexus salesperson called today saying the new GS is here to drive! I'm also planning to attend my Infiniti dealer's promotion for the M35 Thursday. As both dealerships are close to each other, I'll test them both on Thursday and post my impressions.
  • I just got back from the Lexus showroom. The new GS 430 looks awesome. I put my deposit down over a year ago. Glad I waited. I should get the first silver GS 430.
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    Congrats! Were you able to drive one? Impressions please!
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    Have these been dropped from the 2006 GS? Why? Has the car been decontented in any way, similar to the last generation Camry?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The new GS has traditional Lexus electro-luminescent white on black gauges. The green ones are gone.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    First I'll say in person it is much more striking that the brochure i got last week. I dropped in the dealer just in time for the first drive.There was basically a line behind me.

     

    Great standard features:knee airbags, wood leather wheel, shift knob,perforated heated leather seats,7"multi information screen,bluetooth,window pinch protection,back seat pass-thru,push start-stop.

     

    Did not like:fold down panel for mirror controls.

     

    Personally I prefer Inline engine's but I have to say power was effort less,and it was hard to tell the engine was running.Salesman almost had me push the start button while it was running..

     

    The Specs:

    GS300 "mercury metallic" $42,900

    freight $650.00

    rain sensors $525.00

    rear sunshade $210.00

    moonroof $1000.00

    vented seats $200.00

    tourline wheels 18" $2450.00

    accessory package $194.00

    Total $48,129.00

     

    Listed MPG is 22/30

     

    Dealer commented that the GS430 will ring in about 60k and they are concerned its same price range as the LS.

     

    DL
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    I guess I'll find out today at my test drive, but:

    Don't the options you listed come in a "luxury package" or is everything a la carte?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexus will fix that with the next LS. The hybrid version will probably hit 80.
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    Drove the GS 300 today. My impressions:

     

    Exterior: "In the flesh" this car looks alot different from the photos posted on the web site. Much crisper and sportier. I am not seeing much of the Maxima that I did in the initial photos. However, the car looks small and perhaps less substantial than the 2005. Exterior looks are completely subjective so I'll stop there.

     

    Interior: Excellent fit and finish, however my demo had a dark wood that looked like black plastic- almost impossible to tell there was wood grain there. It took no time to adjust the seat to a very comfortable driving position. Much more of a "cockpit" feel than the Acura RL or the Cadillac STS, which I think is good. However, some might feel it was cramped. Headroom was marginal. The DVD/info screen seemed blurry with low resolution.

     

    Driving: In summary, one of the best highway cruisers I have ever driven. Quiet, comfortable and plenty of acceleration. Not quite as "Lexus-quiet" as I would have imagined- some road noise does intrude. Steering was right-on at highway speed. However, you won't be seeking out winding, narrow back roads with this car. The brake is mushy, underpowered with a long throw. I found this out, as the car is so quiet, when I came apon traffic going 60 when I thought I was going 25. The steering is overly assisted and light under 60 mph. Suspension is somewhat isolating, with mild, but noticible, body roll. In general, I was not confident driving this car around a corner.

     

    In summary, the new GS seems sportier in all aspects, exterior look, interior fit and acceleration, EXCEPT for the steering and suspension. Steering and suspension aren't that important, are they?

     

    All kidding aside, this is a nice piece of machinery. However, after driving a Toyota Avalon today , I don't know if I would spend the additonal 15K on the GS. Honestly, if you lean toward a luxury vs. a sporty ride, the Avalon was very, very impressive. Obviously, most people (including my wife), wouldn't get past the image factor (Grampa!), but I was pleasantly surprised.
  • The ads in MT look very good (silver car).

     

      The design apes the Maxima, but has better styling.

     

      Did you feel the dash needed more wood?

     

      DrFill
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    I see you got your answer before i could reply. What type equipment was on your test vehicle ?

     

    How was the torque steer on that 280Hp FWD Avalon ?

     

    DL
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    The car I drove was a RWD version with all options to include the ML stereo, Nav as well as a $2,400 wheel upgrade and sonar. It stickered for 53K!It seems that most (if not all) of the vehicles will have the following options (according to the salesperson):

     

    Rain Sensing Wipers/Adaptive Front Lighting System/Headlamp Cleaners $525

    Power Tilt&Slide Moonroof $1000

    Power Rear Sunshade $210

    Ventilated/heated Front Seats $200

    Intuitive Park Assist $500

     

    I thought these would be a part of a package, but it looks like most will arrive from the factory with these options as "standard" in true Lexus fashion. The only real options are sonar, ML stereo/Nav. The "base" model with the above options stickers at 46,600.
  • echiuechiu Posts: 17
    Does anyone know if you can program the new Lexus GS430 navigation while driving using the voice commands? This is something that the Infinity M45 does allow you to do and it is great -- no need to stop and input.

    Thanks,

    Eric
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Pretty much as I expected. I figured Lexus would go more E class than 5 series.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    What's this $500 option? A chauffeur?
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    I also drove the GS300 today (although it was AWD). I would call it the offspring of a mixed marriage between the E320 and the 530i. The car has qualities of each of its parents. Though it has the feel of a big car, it seems to handle far better and corners flatter than the current 300, although my experience with the latter is limited. Brakes to me seemed strong. Smooth-as-silk Lexus throughout.

    Not a lot of headroom. Windshield sloped at such an angle A pillar intrudes somewhat on forward vision.

    Ironically, in this area (Chicago), 95% of 300s being shipped this month are AWD.

    Still unclear what options will be available with RWD. ML, in fact, may not be available. Salesman told me Lexus has had focus groups with Lexus owners who, in a blind test, could not distinguish between the standard Lexus audio and ML.
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