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Like you said, since you want the manual transmission maybe that's why the prices are higher.
I should warn you, however, my experience at Sierra was not good. We had agreed on a final OTD price so I could bring a check and when I got there they said they couldn't honor it. I had to fight them for it. I was hoping moving up to Acura they would be beyond those kind of games. So beware.
Thanks.
anyone who says they "don't notice" the torque steer in a TL-S, is shifting at 4000 rpm, NOT going to redline, and NOT shifting fast. They are NOT really pushing the car. IF you push it to redline, and shift fast, basically..I'm not saying you have to abuse the car to notice it..but say you are trying to click off the fastest 1/4 mile time you can - you will have the steering wheel jerk in your hand as you do the 1-2 shift... i hated that.
the auto had some torque steer..but it's not as bad as the stick. still there, but less noticeable.
to me, if I went with a TL-S, I'd go with an auto. the torque steer just makes the whle driving experience so distasteful.... so NOT sporty.
go drive any RWD or AWD car and you will see the difference.
the biggest weakness of the current TL is the FWD setup. when Acura gets their $hit together and puts SH-AWD into a car like the TL, they will have a true winner.
Who has purchased the 6spd and what did you pay?
I only have one car and I am an enthusiast driver, so I have to enjoy the car I commute with. I simply could not live with an auto box for the 95% of the time just for less torque steer in brief moments? Sheesh, get a G35 and take the 4 MPG penalty. Yeah I have cursed myself a few times when I wanted to drift a corner, but that is a rare occasion. You actually said it best yourself, about not going past 4000 rpm. The TL-S has a nice torque curve and I can blast ahead of traffic and keep the RPM's around 4000-4500, all the while getting an average combined mileage of 23. Yeah I love to hear the Vtec chime in at 5k, and I admit that I sometimes take a longer route back from lunch(with longer blocks good for redline in 2nd) and roll the windows down so I can hear that amazing engine run. I t doesn't help much, though as apparently the ANC was specifically tuned to quell exhaust noise, and it works too well IMHO. It would be nice if they had a sport/comfort switch for that LOL>
All in all, the TL-S is the perfect commuter for me, I can live with the FWD limitation as a concession to reality, just like I accept the firmer ride as a concession to the performance I crave. The mileage is also a concession because if I didn't drive as hard as I do, I could live with a Jetta TDI and get over 40 mpg. If you drive a TL-S in "normal" driving the 6MT makes you smile with it's slick shifting and smooth clutch, coupled with nicely spaced ratios and a powerful engine. Yes, I would love to see a new TL-S with SHAWD, but if it doesn't have a manual, then Acura is off my list. LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO DRIVE AN AUTOMATIC!!!! :surprise:
Oh BTW, the torque steer with the HPT package is notably worse than the standard Michelins, which are a better overall choice unless you are autocrossing or testing the car for a magazine article.
Anything under $34k is a bargain IMHO. Walk in there and tell them you want a car with 6MT but do a search for 6MT cars first. Find a dealer that had the exact color you want, get a quote from them, look at the car then tell them you really want another color (one that is not available nearby). Let them convince you to like the color they have on the lot , that should do it. :P
Good luck!
The Costco car buying program Quotes were all similar (+/- 100 bucks) with the lowest $33,657 incl dest. (Car has MSRP of 38,940)
I was also interested in the 8 yr, 120K Zero deductable extended warranty. The best pricing I could find referenced here or otherwise online with an actual link to the source was from Bernardi Honda (also sells Acura Service) <http://www.hondawarrantyinfo.com/acura/ . Their price online for the 8yr/120/0 deductable warranty was 1415. I did read on some forum in my research that Acura is thinking of no longer allowing internet sales for extended warranties which would make these deals more difficult. I was told-shown papers indicating this was the actual cost of the warranty and have not reason to believe otherwise. To me it was an overall package deal (car + warranty + local dealer sale)
I took this information to my local dealer (Acura of Mission Viejo) and was welcomed by a very courteous salesman (Dan Sype) who after test driving and explaining the car thoroughly, without pressure agreed they could match this (Both the Car pricing and the extended warranty) and when asked, even threw in a $121 trunk mat for no charge. I may have been able to save a few hundred or so somewhere, but this entire process took me about 5 short phone calls, 1 drive to a dealer who would not give me the costco pricing over the phone, and about 3 hours total at the local dealer where I purchased. I just didnt have the time to do more. To me very painless and I am extremely happy. I am trying to keep from driving the car too hard until the manuals suggested 600 miles which is very difficult. I am also very glad I purchased the extra warranty as this car simply has too many gadgets. Even with a Honda (which is all I own), things could certainly going to go wrong with the electronics and I hear things like Nav touch screens are very expensive. I have a very cool new car, great buying experience, and piece of mind that I can drive it without the worry if/when something does go wrong. The dealers courtesy also sold them my service business for this car. (Im one of those who still religiously just takes their car to the dealer). Hope this helps you get even better deals!
I haven't seen any other posts from the Portland Oregon area, so I'm curious what other people are getting deals for. I didn't get very good quotes over the phone, so I had to go into the dealership and negotiate. I had a good experience working with Acura of Portland.
I don't consider myself a great negotiator, but having a some information helps a lot. Once I said I knew the invoice price was effectively $32k after the dealer incentative, we came to an agreement pretty quickly. I don't mind leaving $700 on the table, I think that leaves a good profit for the dealership and salesman. People have to make a living. Of coarse, they claimed to me that they are losing money on the deal, but you and I know better. This forum gave me some great information to negotiate with and make an informed choice. Before researching on Edmunds, I though I was looking at around $34k for this car, so I'm glad I did; this is a great web site .
I just wanted to pass along my experience. Other people in Oregon should post too!
if you think the TL-S is a sports car, then you haven't driven a real sports car.
the TL-S is nice, i considered buying one, and still would if the price was right. but it sure as hell is NOT sporty and the stick sucks. period.
go drive an S2000 or an RX8 and you'll see what a RWD stick shift is supposed to be like. the TL-S torque steers if you know how to drive right and you push it.
yes, for drdiving to and from work, and the grocery store, it is fine and you won't notice it. which for most people is 95% of their driving. so in that regard you are correct.
but if you want something that can go to work and the store AND the track, then don't get the TL-S
I'm currently in the market to get a 08 TL and I'm wondering what's the incentive (if any) for the March 08. As far as I know, there was a dealer cash back 2000 in February and 2.99% APY for 36 - 60 months (I got different answer from different dealer and I'm kinda of confuse at the moment) It will be great if anyone can give me some hint about that...
I also have another question regarding the dealer cash and speical APY, when I spoke with a dealer at NJ late last month, he mentioned that there is a dealer cash for 2000 AND 2.99 APY for the TL, however, when I talk to another dealer in NY Metro area, he said I can ONLY take the dealer cash OR the 2.99APY for 36 months (instead of 60 months) not both... so I'm wondering which is true....
Thanks for your help everyone!
Alex
When you say the stick sucks, I assume you are referring to the torque steer, as the transmission is one of the best in the segment.
I never said the TL-S doesn't torque steer. I can drive it right and I do encounter torque steer daily, it is still better than embarrassment of being seen with an auto trans.
Driving to and from work is what 99% of us do with our cars, and 95% of those never even push it(so they can buy Camrys)
You are COMPLETELY RIGHT with the last sentence, if you want to get a daily driver that you can autocross or take to the track, the TL-S ain't it. That said, I have thought about taking mine to nearby track just for fun and to see what it will legally do. I know it won't match the CTS-V and M3(E46) that I have driven on the track, but I knew that when I bought it.
Since I never really do make it to the track the way my life is right now, it made sense to compromise. I really did seriously consider a 07 Legacy B spec and a CTS-V, both of which have tons of tuner mods avail and would be tire/gas eating street monsters. I figured that since I want to build a new house this year, that it would be hard to justify the extra insurance, fuel and not to mention tires to the little lady, so I chose the compromise. You can still have fun with FWD tho, I have a circular park/traffic circle/skidpad in fromt of my office. Today I was having fun flooring it until I understeered, then lifting the throttle so it oversteered. Ok, I know it's not as fun as drifting.
Thanks again
AL
Thanks in advance
I have not seen what actual invoice price is for the Type S automatic on Edmunds. What is the invoice price for this car and then the actual destination charge? I have seen people getting some good deals since they are taking 2,000 off the invoice and would be interested in what anyone is paying for a Type S in Arizona.
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There are some financing incentives: 0.9% for 24-48 months and 2.9% for 49-60 months. Would it nice to know if there are any other cash or manufacturer to dealer incentives, but no details as of yet.
I was quoted for a base trim with nav for just under 31K, but the salesman wanted to charge almost 1300 in strange fees and dealer charges, so I dropped the deal... I'm still driving my beater
anyway, you are COMPLETELY RIGHT when you point out that the TL-S is a VERY good "compromise" car that does everything well. the only real complaint I had was the torque steer. for some reason, i really did not like the stick. I drove two of them, on different days at different dealers. I have owned several sticks, and swear by them - but for some reason, I did not like the TL-S stick.
maybe it was the torque steer. I test drove an S2k and RX8 recently, and LOVED them.
i can only describe the feeling I had in the stick versions of the TL as "loose" I had this weird "disconnected" sensation in the stick TL-S, and the auto version felt much tighter. in the way it steered, drove, etc. I also felt the stick was faster. noticeably.
despite being "into" manual tranny cars, I personally liked the auto better. if I was getting an RX8, I'd NEVER get an auto...the stick was too much fun. I guess to me, the torque steer kinda killed the fun of the stick, b/c I'm the guyu who redlines it every other shift, and the torque steer was pretty noticeable.
that said, the TL-S is about as good as it gets for a really nice sporty sedan loaded with gizmos int he mid 30s price range.
having previously owned an S60R..the one car I think right now would ge a really good bang for the buck would bea low mileage, used V70R, certified. i've seen them under 30k with 15k, with a 100k certified warranty. 300hp, AWD, and you can get them in a manual. add an IPD ECU uprgrade and you will have a solid 330hp, with gobs of torque. and you could track it. get the S60R if you want a sedan.
just an alternative. if u could get a used car...and went w/ euro
I looked at Tirerack, Discount Tire, and NTB for replacement tires. Last time I checked, the only replacement that have matching front and rear sizes is the Goodyear F1 A/S...and these cost a fortune for the G35's tire sizes.
We have a Deal on the Table of 31500 inc Destination and Pro Pac + TTL for a TL with Nav. Looks like we are going to do the deal tomorrow. We also got 4.9% financing but i dont think thats an Acura promo.
Alabaster Silver with taupe with Nav here!
This site was invaluable.
This was From Elite Acura in Marlton NJ
To all our 2008 TL & TSX models, there are special APRs available for qualified buyers: .9% APR for 24-48 months and 2.9% APR for 37-60 months. Or you can take advantage of the $2,000 off the special price. Does not apply to lease options. Good through month of March.