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I suppose I ought to clarify my earlier comment. Full-sized truck crewcabs are undeniably wider than a compact car's back seat. Legroom, maybe, maybe not better. The one thing that makes the rear seats feels claustrophobic (to me) is having the rear window *right* in back of my head. Full-size or not, it's a lot closer to my head than the rear window of any car except those with "fastback" rear window.
Dodge came out with an interesting pickup to address that concern in their new "Megacab." Unfortunately, it seems to be just one big compromise for the typical buyer of a 3/4 or 1-ton pickup, but it could be a huge boon to those who buy a big truck primarily to haul 5th wheel travel trailers with a full load of occupants in the cab.
Anyhow, CC pickups do trade off rear seat comfort for the convenience of an open bed (regardless of the bed size). They are tolerable though, even on moderately long trips, whereas extended (king, access, take your pick of names) cabs are not (for adults). Extended cabs make for great 'stuff' storage and occasional passenger use.
I'd say yes. I'm 6' and if I adjust the driver's seat for me, then sit in back, my knees clear the back of the seat. Not by much, but they do clear. The one thing I did note about the back seat was that my knee rests smack dab on the back door handle when my leg rests against the door. Ow. I can't fault Nissan with this, as there's not another place where they could have put the back door handle.
For what it's worth, the Chevy Colorado has more rear seat room when I repeat the above experiment.
Asa
A Tacoma has more front leg room, but your legs are more horizontal than vertical. With the Tacoma, the driver's seat doesn't have to be all the way back, but when positioned where I am comfortable, there is less room remaining in the back seat than with the Frontier.
I don't remember the back of the Dakota because they were dropped from my short list because their ground clearance was too small.
The Honda Ridgeline has the most combined front and rear legroom of any of these when I try the same experiment. Comparably equipped, the Honda is about the same as Tacoma, i.e., a couple thousand more than Frontier. The Honda is a good choice unless you're into "serious" off-roading or need to tow over 5000 pounds.
Speaking of towing, I just installed the Nissan hitch on my crew cab. Very straightforward installation, all the holes lined up perfectly. For the same price as an aftermarket (~$200), I would recommend the Nissan one for this because everything (wiring, etc.) is made to fit.
I'm pretty sure it had 4 doors with outside handles on it, and the back was roomier than any extended cabs I'd ever been in or seen.
ever sit in the backseat of a town car? cadillac? crew cab pickups are even bigger. mostly the titan and f150, but the super duty and HD pickups are even BIGGER in the backseat.
They also have every Nissan model listed for just about everything you need for a Nissan.
One thing that makes the rear seats feels claustrophobic (to me) is having the rear window *right* in back of my head. Full-size or not, it's a lot closer to my head than the rear window of any car except those with "fastback" rear window.
I think you are focusing on a different point than midnightsun was attempting to make: you are considering physical size rather than long-term comfort. The "L" shape of the CC's rear seats and the window right behind the head tends to make the seats less comfortable than those of a 4-door car, minivan, or SUV.
I find it interesting that different leg lengths, torso lengths, etc. make people's comfort levels vary all over the place in the same size of truck.
The numbers don't tell the whole story, e.g., the person whose leg rested uncomfortably on the hard edge of a door interior part.
the sport trac is still the best selling non-full-size crew cab on the market for that specific reason, and until nissan, toyota, and dodge make a serious effort to match it, they wont outsell ford in this department.
http://www.edmunds.com/future/2007/ford/explorersporttrac/1005002- 79/preview.html?tid=edmunds.f.mmindex.content.num1.0.ford*
Thanks
Badnes,East coast
I agree on gas mileage posts - for me about 16 in mixed driving and 18 or so on highway.
quite frankly, i wouldnt trust a vehicle worth more than $2000 to the teenagers at jiffy lube.
i have been reading all the postings at this site and to all those who have purchased an 05, Fronty, CC LE did your cars come with body colored bumpers and door handles? and for those who bought a CC with a NISMO package, did it come with chrome bumpers, side mirrors and door handles? The nissan catalog says, "late availability", now is that 6 months or 1-2 years. If any knows please post, i hope it's not more than a year, that would bite, the longest I'm willing to wait for an LE or nismo with those options is 6 months, I can't wait to get rid of piece of crap car, nothing but head ache.
I finally made up my mind about the frontier vs the tacoma but was hoping for a NISMO with the chrome side mirrors door handles. I drove a NISMO KC 2 days ago and the engine pickup was awesome, the ride was not jarring at all. I did notice that all the NISMO's and LE's have the regular black side mirror, door handles.
thanks
storm gray nismo. I am glad the crome
is late.
Asa
Asa
What effect does the VSC have when you lock the rear differential? Does the locked rear diff override the VSC and / or the 4 wheel limited slip?
Also, does VSC work with the front wheels when you have the truck in 4 wheel drive, or does it just work with the rears?
We spoke with the Toyota Dealership and frankly for the money, I could not justify the difference. I got the Nissan for $100 over invoice and a $500 new college grad discount (my wife finished her masters in December yeaahhhhhhhh). I could not get any dealers in the area to just give me a price. They want to dance around and keep you at the dealership for hours. That is one thing I really don't like about so many Toyota dealers. In general, they make buying a car such an unpleasant deal. I will be back to buy a Sienna Minivan because they are excellent. I just hope my buying experience is better.
Anyway, the only two negatives I can mention about the Frontier are the lack of remote door unlock and lack of power windows. Also, let me state I wanted the 4 cylinder, not the six so don't compare them. Also wanted 2 WD not 4WD so don't compare them. Most folks on these posts crack me up, they need 4WD like I need a hole in the head. "nuff said.
how much did you pay for your NISMO, and what options did it come with?
Good luck with your new truck!
I've owned/driven 2WD trucks since 1985 and never needed 4WD...except for those times I got them stuck in deep sand, ice, mud, or deep snow (once each between 1987 and 1998). It wasn't 2WD vehicles that pulled me out. That's not a lot of stucks, so I didn't buy 4WD. Then I moved to a mountain snowbelt.
Last month I pulled a full-size 2WD truck out of a snowbank on a 15% grade using my Wrangler. He had lots of weight in the bed (loaded enough to sag it) but it wasn't enough to gain traction. That's the road I live on, and 15% is not the steepest part. Having 4WD, and especially 4Lo range, can be a godsend.
If I lived elsewhere, I'd probably just buy a set of chains and use my 2WD Toyota truck for everything. But it simply isn't enough for some locations, and this is one of them. To rely on 2WD or even AWD here would mean not making it to work many days from November through April. Literally any drive to/from home involves a mountain road.
And that doesn't even count the fun of going 4-wheeling. 2WD trucks have better handling (IMO), better gas mileage, and higher payloads. But they just don't cut it here. So while 4WD might be a passing fancy for some people, it's an exceptionally useful tool for others.
Congrats on your new truck. Please keep us posted here on what you like or don't like about it.
thanks.
I've pretty much used all the systems the way the engineers designed them and have been very impressed. I've overdone it off-road and scraped off my rear trailer wiring harness and messed up the bottom corner of my front bumper. The hitch takes a little away from the departure angle, but it did protect the rear bumper so I think I'll leave that on. I didn't even realize I had mashed the bottom of the front bumper until I checked the truck afterwards. Did some major scraping on the skid plates and frame; they all performed beautifully. The truck performs so well off-road it's easy to overdo it, but I think the expense of putting on a new front bumper will make me back off a little.
Scott
I found that most late model Nissans use, basically, the same fob. I bought two Murano key fobs (no trunk button) for about 15 bucks shopped from ebay, programmed them to my Frontier, and bam!, I have keyless entry.
Just a little pointer, in case that hadn't been posted here.
Thanks!