Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

breld

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%).

So...

$25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235).
$34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal).

The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

28firefighter

breld said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%). So... $25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235). $34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal). The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

Very nice!

Where does the broker make his cut from?

breld

The broker's cut is baked into the deal I suppose. Come to think of it, he came up with the price by taking the dealership's advertised deal of $25,854, then adding $225 to "cover his costs." And then the $1,000 loyalty rebate comes off that. At the end of the day, it's within a couple hundred of the best deal I found out there, so I suppose that's about what he makes.

Maybe he actually gets a better deal through his relationship with the dealers and so profits from that, but as long as the deal is the same as I feel I could get on my own, fine with me.

The trade offer is probably the best thing about the process - he came out of the gate with a strong offer, and then since he can more or less get any car out there, I felt like I wasn't dependent on one particular dealership for the strong trade offer.

breld

So, I "sacrifice" the BMW for the GTI, which doesn't feel like much of a sacrifice, and I lower the monthly payment by the incremental taken on by the Durango upgrade.

Mission accomplished - I am rebalanced to my car budget again.

Michaell

@breld congrats on the the new GTI. This is number 3?

breld

Yup, 3. So I'm done for the year.

28firefighter

I give it to July 4th. 

xwesx

breld said:

So, I "sacrifice" the BMW for the GTI, which doesn't feel like much of a sacrifice, and I lower the monthly payment by the incremental taken on by the Durango upgrade.

Mission accomplished - I am rebalanced to my car budget again.

Well, dang. That's some impressive work!

I know 28FF says 7/4, but I'm thinking that you'll make it a little longer this time. My vote is September.....

xwesx

I'm wondering where @henryn is these days... Has anyone seen him around lately?

rayainsw

'I give it to July 4th. '
I'll take June 4.
Seriously - congrats & enjoy the GTI !
- Ray
Ex-GTI driver...

Sandman6472

Like the new additions to the 2018 Golf's especially the exhaust pipe area, very nicely finished from what I could see...very Audiesque! Mine is regular stock, plain and simple, which works but like the new treatment so much better. Love all the new stuff but just not ready to trade mine quite yet. And besides the Mini Cooper Countryman, nothing else really grabs me. Like the HR-V but the lack of get up and go and the lack of knobs for the infotainment and a/c make it a no go. Even asked at the Honda store if these things will be addressed in a couple of years but two sales guys said I was the first to mention this issue. Really?? Told them it's a bit unsafe to take ones eyes off the road to change things but he said there's the steering wheel controls that solve that issue. Maybe true but...I want my knobs back!!!
Well, got texted to come in and work again today my n/s day. Was waiting for the text and it came a bit later than last week. Hell, just give me the extra day each week and be done with it already! Could use the extra $ as we start to make plans for the kids wedding. Plus the oldest and her guy are house hunting and gotta feeling they might ask for a temp loan to have a larger down payment. We'll see about that though. Finally hit my 40th quarter so now qualify for s s at 66, but there's that pesky rule where I'll only get a fraction due me because of my civil service pension. Totally unfair but that's for another discussion!
Off to work I go!

The Sandman

graphicguy

Breld...big 'grats on the new GTI. Great car. My son loves his.

kyfdx

@breld Nice!

That's the one drawback of getting an Audi TDI vs. a VW. No loyalty for some of these deals, for me.

Probably a good thing.

qbrozen

breld said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%). So... $25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235). $34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal). The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

I think I shall use you as an example to my wife of how much easier she has it putting up with my habit. ;b

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%). So... $25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235). $34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal). The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

I think I shall use you as an example to my wife of how much easier she has it putting up with my habit. ;b

I use it all thre time!  "I know this guy from Colorado on edmunds who bought 5 cars last year!"

jpp75

Congrats @breld! Too bad you won't have it for tomorrow, but look forward to hearing about it!

nyccarguy

@breld - congrats!  Enjoy it for the summer!  What color did you get?

breld

Thanks all for the congrats!  

And glad I can serve as the extreme example for your significant others.  

breld

Needless to say, I am really excited for the GTI.

Gave some serious thought to a Civic Si, used or the new model coming out, and just decided I liked the more subdued look of the GTI better, not to mention I think the GTI will still perform better than even the new Civic.  There's a lot of nostalgia there for me with an Si, but of course, I was 18 when I had one last.  The overall styling just seems a bit "young" for me at this point.  Not that that stops me from considering a used one for my next car. 

I do think I'll have a Miata RF in my future, but I couldn't bring myself to pay the MSRP they're demanding right now for what is just inherently a short-lived car.  

breld

Michaell said:

@breld congrats on the the new GTI. This is number 3?

Oh wait - did you mean 3 punches for this year or my 3rd GTI?  Either way, it's a yes!

kyfdx

@breld So, it's a white Sport with a stick, right?.

When you get the trade-in value from @qbrozen , you'll have to hit me up.

breld

Yes, white sport manual.

I'll take good care of it for you.  

carnaught

breld said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%).

So...

$25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235).
$34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal).

The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

Hail to the Grand Poobah. How many is that for 2017?

breld

carnaught said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%). So... $25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235). $34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal). The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

Hail to the Grand Poobah. How many is that for 2017?

3, but I think the first Durango was more of a trial run for the R/T.

breld

Okay - I figured several here will be happy to indulge and educate me.

What exactly does LSD do? 

Wait a minute - let me rephrase that.  

What exactly does the limited slip differential that's on the Sport and upper trims do?  Like, I'm interested from a mechanical perspective as well as a practical one.   Are the benefits noticeable in driving "below the limits?"

breld

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Alright - done deal on the GTI. I shopped one other dealer that was pretty transparent and then gave the broker the opportunity to match it, which he did. To be fair, he is the one that came up with a stronger trade than anyone else and he also isn't playing any games with the financing (one dealership said that with "all" the rebates they're giving, I have to go through their lender, and the payments they were quoting reflected a rate of over 5%). So... $25,059 for a white GTI sport manual (MSRP of $29,235). $34,200 trade on the 428 (he came up another $200 to sweeten the deal). The dealer he's working with has to do a trade to get the white, so I may pick it up Saturday, but more likely next week. Sorry @michaell and @jpp5862 - no new car for our lunch Friday.

I think I shall use you as an example to my wife of how much easier she has it putting up with my habit. ;b

I use it all thre time!  "I know this guy from Colorado on edmunds who bought 5 cars last year!"

Come to think of it, you all should really use my wife as the example for allowing and enabling all this to happen!

nyccarguy

So my sister brought her late husband's Explorer to the selling dealer where the manager said he would have some wholesalers look at it to try and determine its value.  She got a call from the manager who told her that the dealership's owner got wind of what was going on and instructed the manager to take the car back & they'll deal with it.  My sister is excited (about this).

28firefighter

nyccarguy said:

So my sister brought her late husband's Explorer to the selling dealer where the manager said he would have some wholesalers look at it to try and determine its value.  She got a call from the manager who told her that the dealership's owner got wind of what was going on and instructed the manager to take the car back & they'll deal with it.  My sister is excited (about this).

It is nice to hear that there is still compassion out there.

rayainsw

'the first Durango was more of a trial run for the R/T. '
Kind of an extended test drive...
- Ray
Did not keep my GTI very long - but longer than that
'first Durango' . . .

Mr_Shiftright

A standard open differential delivers the same amount of torque left and right. A limited-slip differential creates adds friction to transfer torque to one side or the other. So if one wheel is spinning, an LSD can redistribute torque.

This would be helpful say in a very tight turn, where the inside wheel will get light and start to spin. The LSD would send more torque to the outside wheel, and give you a yaw correction.

When you floor it coming out of a bend, your front axle gets light and you understeer--so added torque to the outside pulls the car in.

It works other way, too, in throttle lift-off.

then there's viscous-coupling and torque-sensing LSDs and that's a whole other lecture.

tjc78

@breld,

Congrats on the GTI. You Tube the My Cousin Vinny Marisa Tomei "Positraction" scene in addition to Shifty's excellent answer

andres3

kyfdx said:

@breld Nice!

That's the one drawback of getting an Audi TDI vs. a VW. No loyalty for some of these deals, for me.

Probably a good thing.

If you have a copy of your VW TDI registration, you should be good to use that at least until it expires (even though you don't technically own it anymore due to the TDI buyback). This was verified at 3 separate VW dealers, and actually executed at 1 of them because we did technically sell our TDI before buying the Alltrack.

andres3

breld said:

So, I "sacrifice" the BMW for the GTI, which doesn't feel like much of a sacrifice, and I lower the monthly payment by the incremental taken on by the Durango upgrade.

Mission accomplished - I am rebalanced to my car budget again.

The GTI is basically a 428i with 2 extra doors, a hatch, and FWD instead of RWD right? Can't see that much difference other then what I've just written.

Anything else you might miss?

tifighter

28firefighter said:

I give it to July 4th. 

I think I'm going to stick with my Memorial Day pick, just for the NEXT car.

kyfdx

andres3 said:

kyfdx said:

@breld Nice!

That's the one drawback of getting an Audi TDI vs. a VW. No loyalty for some of these deals, for me.

Probably a good thing.

If you have a copy of your VW TDI registration, you should be good to use that at least until it expires (even though you don't technically own it anymore due to the TDI buyback). This was verified at 3 separate VW dealers, and actually executed at 1 of them because we did technically sell our TDI before buying the Alltrack.

I didn't have a VW. That was my point.

andres3

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

kyfdx said:

@breld Nice!

That's the one drawback of getting an Audi TDI vs. a VW. No loyalty for some of these deals, for me.

Probably a good thing.

If you have a copy of your VW TDI registration, you should be good to use that at least until it expires (even though you don't technically own it anymore due to the TDI buyback). This was verified at 3 separate VW dealers, and actually executed at 1 of them because we did technically sell our TDI before buying the Alltrack.

I didn't have a VW. That was my point.

Oh, I thought you participated in the TDI lottery arbitrage game.

What foods improve memory as you age?

kyfdx

andres3 said:

kyfdx said:

andres3 said:

kyfdx said:

@breld Nice!

That's the one drawback of getting an Audi TDI vs. a VW. No loyalty for some of these deals, for me.

Probably a good thing.

If you have a copy of your VW TDI registration, you should be good to use that at least until it expires (even though you don't technically own it anymore due to the TDI buyback). This was verified at 3 separate VW dealers, and actually executed at 1 of them because we did technically sell our TDI before buying the Alltrack.

I didn't have a VW. That was my point.

Oh, I thought you participated in the TDI lottery arbitrage game.

What foods improve memory as you age?

AUDI TDI

laurasdada

Massachusetts is a front plate state. The new bright red Alfa Giulia in my building just had the front plate installed. Wow, it just looks terrible. It's mounted on the passenger side lower front fascia, so as not to bisect the Alfa triangle grille. It's worth writing it again, Wow, it just looks terrible.

laurasdada

Oh, and the food solution to all health/mental/aging issue is chocolate.

nyccarguy

Are public hangings still legal?

fintail

You just know that one doesn't have the turn signal option package.

mjfloyd1

Punch- in the spirit of @breld and thanks to Q for starting me down this path along with a lack of self control...

1963 Corvette split window coupe

http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-e6d4a47bc24f46d2be2934cef71dde62/

Will be delivered next week. Heading over tomorrow afternoon or Saturday to see it in the flesh.

28firefighter

Very nice!

fintail

White on blue, classic period color combo. Lovely car.

mjfloyd1

Thanks. Local restomod guy Jeff Hayes helped me out. He talked me off the cliff of a 427 66 silver over silver convertible and recommended a split window coupe. Jeff is a great guy and his restomod corvettes fetch a minimum of $200K at auction.

carnaught

mjfloyd1 said:

Punch- in the spirit of @breld and thanks to Q for starting me down this path along with a lack of self control...

1963 Corvette split window coupe

http://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-e6d4a47bc24f46d2be2934cef71dde62/

Will be delivered next week. Heading over tomorrow afternoon or Saturday to see it in the flesh.

Su..eweeet! Congrats!

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

Are public hangings still legal?

I am not seeing what is going on here. Is it the distance from the curb, the location.... ? I get the sense that this is an obvious detail I am missing.....

xwesx

mjfloyd1 said:

1963 Corvette split window coupe

Congrats, mj! That's not something I would have thought would show up on the list anytime soon.... !

mjfloyd1

xwesx said:

nyccarguy said:

Are public hangings still legal?

I am not seeing what is going on here. Is it the distance from the curb, the location.... ? I get the sense that this is an obvious detail I am missing.....

License plate says M 4EVER2

mjfloyd1

xwesx said:

mjfloyd1 said:

1963 Corvette split window coupe

Congrats, mj! That's not something I would have thought would show up on the list anytime soon.... !

Thanks. I talked to several people and this one popped up and was "reasonably" priced. I've wanted a C2 corvette since I was 15. I am officially old.