Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Logically it makes sense. And pairs well with keeping the charger long term.

A wise person once wrote. "Stop Making Sense".

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

I'm digging further into this Murano deal. Lord help me.

I know it's cheap, but you should seriously consider a thorough test drive of that Murano.

corvette

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

I'm digging further into this Murano deal. Lord help me.

I know it's cheap, but you should seriously consider a thorough test drive of that Murano.

For all the hate that gets dished out here against the Altima, I second that thought.

stickguy

It’s replacing a high miles equinox that makes weird noises when you stop. How much worse can it be?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

It’s replacing a high miles equinox that makes weird noises when you stop. How much worse can it be?

That is always how I plan my next purchase....

stickguy

Set the bar really low. Less likely you pull a hammy trying to cLear it that way!

suydam

I thought the Murano had a pretty good rep. I’ll bet it drives nicer than the Altima. Hopefully it’s not as noisy as the Rogue.

corvette

I had a previous gen Murano and it was a great vehicle. Didn’t ever feel as fast as it should have with that VQ engine, though.

stickguy

If nothing else, much faster.

roadburner

pensfan83 said:

The one in Ohio is orange too.

Every GTS is orange; it’s the only AWD Stinger I would consider.

breld

Sounds like our group will be a multiple Stinger family soon enough.

breld

And I am very content not being the one with the "illness." At least not this week.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

It’s replacing a high miles equinox that makes weird noises when you stop. How much worse can it be?

Is that the generation Equinox that had the oil burning issue?

jmonroe

qbrozen said:

I'm digging further into this Murano deal. Lord help me.

Well, at least you know where to go for help because you won't get any in here. In fact there are a few in here that will lead you to the edge then give you a push just to see how far you'll fall.

jmonroe

jmonroe

stickguy said:

Logically it makes sense. And pairs well with keeping the charger long term.

You also have an illness and are probably one of those "pushers" I just warned @qbrozen about.

jmonroe

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

It’s replacing a high miles equinox that makes weird noises when you stop. How much worse can it be?

Is that the generation Equinox that had the oil burning issue?

Probably. I'm told it kicks up a nice black cloud when I boot it. LOL.


The old Murano was a pretty nice vehicle. Last one I was in was the first gen, I think, however. The Rogue is dreadful.

The Murano was refreshed in 2019, and MT claims it is the same feel as the 2015 that got top honors in a comparo vs the Edge and Santa Fe Sport. Not exactly heady company, but better than a loss.

qbrozen

getting info from these 2 brokers is like pulling teeth.

me: "Does VPP improve the numbers at all? And which state’s taxes are included in your pricing?"
b1: "Yes VPP is not included."

me: "Can VPP be applied?
What does 36 mo look like?
How much of the discount is a taxable incentive?"
b2: "If you work for a qualified VPP company, than you do get an extra incentive.
24 months is the cheapest configuration for this car."
me: "If you happen to know the VPP incentive on the Murano S AWD, I’d appreciate the info." (I figured he is one of those who can't handle more than 1 question at a time, so I'll re-ask the tax question later)
b2: "Please direct message me."

SIGH

qbrozen

Oh, and the Bolt may not be out of the running.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/environment/2020/01/06/number-electric-cars-nj-could-increase-thanks-new-bill/4386783002/

That could make the lease INSANELY cheap, if it passes and applies to leases.

qbrozen

OMG!

Even through private message...

me: "Hi. So what is the VPP discount on this model? And you state the below deal already includes taxes and DMV. Which state is that calculated for, however? Thanks."
b1: "Hi this does not include VPP, This is for the tristate area only. i just dropped the price for this week only another $150 dollars from the down payment! nyc"

Really?!

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

OMG!

Even through private message...

me: "Hi. So what is the VPP discount on this model? And you state the below deal already includes taxes and DMV. Which state is that calculated for, however? Thanks."
b1: "Hi this does not include VPP, This is for the tristate area only. i just dropped the price for this week only another $150 dollars from the down payment! nyc"

Really?!

That is not a particularly well known broker. I'd reach out to aronchi and see if his Nissan dealer can match it/beat it.

qbrozen

I repeated the questions and he finally clarified. His numbers include NYC numbers, so should be a little less for NJ, and its about $600 additional discount for VPP. I'd like to get a solid number from at least one person before I go comparing other offers. Right now, with what this broker is saying, I'm down to about $1331.62 and $235.13/mo. Still a bit more than I'd like to target. If I could get it to $250/$250, I think it might be hard to say no to. Of course, the wife has said no to better things before. haha.

28firefighter

Better to do and ask for forgiveness. (Said no one successfully married ever)

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

pensfan83 said:

The one in Ohio is orange too.

Every GTS is orange; it’s the only AWD Stinger I would consider.

Was the trade offer for your 2er reasonable?

ab348

What is VPP?

stickguy

Vehicle Purchase Program. Something you can get through your employer if they offer it as a benefit. The manufacture offers a discount to the employees, usually companies that work for them.

https://www.insidenissan.com/home_nis.psp

kyfdx

ab348 said:

What is VPP?

Nissan Supplier affiliate program

qbrozen

Thanks, @kyfdx for the numbers on the lease thread.

By my calculations, I would need an 11.1% discount to hit $250/$250. Doesn't seem too crazy, although I'm totally unfamiliar with Nissan's margins. Heck, I could take it down to 24/10k and do even better. That would be in the $235 range.

fintail

Murano is still all "J" VIN, right? That might help it out vs most of the rest of the lineup, I would imagine high build quality anyway.

qbrozen

I don't see any Js

example
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oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

What is VPP?

I’m glad you asked that. Sometimes I feel dumb compared to the expertise present here.

fintail

Oh, I was thinking Murano were all built in Japan. Maybe only on older ones. Now that I look, appears the change took place for the 2015+ style.

qbrozen

I think I talked myself out of it. For today, at least.

Maybe after I heal up from surgery I'll change my mind again.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

I think I talked myself out of it. For today, at least.

Maybe after I heal up from surgery I'll change my mind again.

Probably wise, but not nearly as entertaining. It makes sense to "sleep" on it since the lease cannot be transferred.

ab348

I didn’t know you had the surgery already. What type did you choose?

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

pensfan83 said:

The one in Ohio is orange too.

Every GTS is orange; it’s the only AWD Stinger I would consider.

Was the trade offer for your 2er reasonable?

I think so; $18,400.

qbrozen

ab348 said:

I didn’t know you had the surgery already. What type did you choose?

not yet. it is scheduled for the 20th. i'm getting it off a corpse. maybe i'll hit someone on the way in to make it fresher.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

I think I talked myself out of it. For today, at least.

Maybe after I heal up from surgery I'll change my mind again.

Pain medication might help with the decision making..

stickguy

plus if you are on heavy duty pain killers, you won't notice as much when the wife whacks you in the head with a fry pan!

corvette

I think my 2009 Altima was built in TN, and it had flawless reliability, as did my J VIN Murano.

qbrozen

So before I came to that decision, I had texted the wife with the proposition. I find it easier to text because I can get out my explanation without being interrupted. Anyhoo, I think once I hit send, the feeling of dread at her reply is what made me prematurely back down.

Anyway, she wasn’t totally against it. So I did say that, if that NJ rebate passes and I can get a Bolt for like $99/mo, all bets are off.

stickguy

if you can get a Bolt for $99, grab one for me too.

stickguy

my wife says I should just do whatever I want, car wise. I think that is mostly because she gets tired of hearing me talk about it. and knows I am inherently too cheap to do anything financial crazy.

this, of course, only goes for "my" car. I am not allowed to do anything with her DD without approval! Same if my car is going to be the primary go places together wheels (the primary reason my elantra got flipped for the TLX).

When we finally upgrade her car to something nice that we will be able to take everywhere, I can start flipping at will, or get any weird set of wheels that strikes my fancy.

mjfloyd1

stickguy said:

plus if you are on heavy duty pain killers, you won't notice as much when the wife whacks you in the head with a fry pan!

Not recommended as it delays symptoms (and therefore diagnosis of) subdural hematoma. 😁

nyccarguy

So I know it is a “blah” color and it doesn’t have the sport seats & the wrong tranny, but if it checks out, it would make a decent https://www.audigreenwich.com/used-inventory/index.htm?compositeType=used&year=1995&make=&start=0&sort=&facetbrowse=true&quick=true&searchLinkText=SEARCH&showInvTotals=false&showRadius=false&showReset=false&showSubmit=true&facetbrowseGridUnit=BLANK&showSelections=true&dependencies=model:make,city:province,city:state&suppressAllConditions=compliant&newListingAlias=/new-inventory/index.htm&usedListingAlias=/used-inventory/index.htm&certifiedListingAlias=/certified-inventory/index.htm

stickguy

love the car. Like the price. Would be fine with the seats (plus, an easy enough swap).

Transmission, well, that is a deal breaker.

corvette

The chances of a random 25 year old BMW "checking out" are slim to none.

stickguy

that at least is about as simple as they come. And I assume before some of the problem areas (VANOS?) Essentially the BMW version of a 65 Falcon!

nyccarguy

@qbrozen - good luck with your surgery.

I’ve been thinking a lot about my truck. I really like it. The big bed does come in very handy. I’ve used it for work to make deliveries twice in the last 2 days.

On 12/30, I sent my driver and another guy to make a delivery. He came back, we loaded up again and right before he’s about to pull away, he tells the other guy that he’s not felling well. I go outside and ask him what’s going on. He tells me he forgot to take his heart pills, doesn’t feel well and wants to call an ambulance. I hopped in the box truck, and drove him to the hospital. He’s been there ever since. He had a stroke in the back of his head and is now in life support.

I’m going to have to hire another driver. Until then, I’m the driver. If I can fit things in my pickup, I’d rather drive that than the box truck.

corvette

Parents got new tires on their 2011 Element today. OE Goodyears were never good, got very noisy and the tread wore down around 40-50k miles in 2014, and they got Michelins to replace them. The Michelins still had excellent tread, approximately 90k later, but the tread compound had hardened and they were starting to slide. Dad found a nail or something in one of the tires and they went to Discount Tire. DT agreed the tires were dry rotting and gave them something like $44 per tire credit towards new Michelin tires.

I'm glad they got some credit towards new tires, but am kind of disappointed that expensive Michelin tires will dry rot in five or six years on a car that is kept in an attached garage, where they rarely see sunlight or are subjected to freezing temperatures. Regardless, Dad remarked that those will probably be the last tires they put on that vehicle before it's time to replace it.

stickguy

I am not really a fan of black convertibles, but this one, is cool. All that red certainly makes a statement.

https://www.royaleasing.com/details-2013-porsche-boxster-2dr_roadster-used-wp0ca2a80ds113841.html