Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

tjc78

@corvette
Yes it was the Q50. I can’t keep it straight!

jmonroe1

28firefighter said:

My Dad’s Stelvio lease is up in a few months. He’s trying to figure what is next. He was thinking about a Tacoma 6spd or a Jeep Gladiator - drove and really liked both. But right now he’s considering buying my old TDI.

All over the place, as usual.

Lucky you. Now's your chance to get even for some of the punishment that he surely inflicted on you deservedly or not when you lived under his rule all those years.

jmonroe

abacomike

houdini1 said:

abacomike said:

corvette said:

abacomike said:

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

I've heard really good things about the newer ceramic coatings, but haven't tried any of them yet.

Just called my brother - he said the ceramic coating sealant cost him $900 for his 2019 E450 Cabriolet.

Since I park outdoors under trees, it might be well worth having it done. He swears by the finish.

I've got it on my '16 Lexus LS and love it. Put on by dealer. A friend has an '18 LS same color, atomic silver and my finish puts his to shame. Highly recommend.

What did your dealer charge you?

qbrozen

Michaell said:

One down, one to go. Finally had a nice enough day to get after this. Hoping to do the Outback next.

is that a stick or auto? What do you think of it thus far? Any issues? What year is that one?

Michaell

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

One down, one to go. Finally had a nice enough day to get after this. Hoping to do the Outback next.

is that a stick or auto? What do you think of it thus far? Any issues? What year is that one?

It's a 2014 S ALL4. Pretty much loaded with HK sound, navigation, real leather and some other options I can't remember.

Automatic - sadly. Tried teaching the step daughter to drive stick when she first got her license, but she never figured it out.

In the 6 years we've had it, it's been fairly reliable. Has gone through a set of tires and we put a new battery into it last summer.

Never left her stranded. I did have a small oil leak attended to last year, partially covered under the extended warranty we got.

Now that the warranty - and pre paid maintenance - has ended, I may look for an independent shop to take it to. She plans to keep it for a good long while, since it's paid off.

As noted, with only 42K on it, I'm hoping we can keep it going with just regular maintenance. I only drive it to take it to the dealer for service; it's a lot of fun to drive, but a bit rough riding to be an everyday car.

explorerx4

One of my nephew's bought this today.
2020 Silverado Trail Boss.

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

There are so many products on the market that use the term sealant or ceramic that it’s tough to tell which are improvements. Isn't it the clear coat that protect the paint? That can last for decades so why not just spray an extra layer of that? Don’t these sealers become dull or scratched too? I must admit I’m not really up on the latest and greatest.

corvette

Some of the people on the detailing boards are quite critical--apparently, you need to have very good (warm) conditions to apply and cure, the car has to sit indoors for 24 hours after application, some of them are finicky to apply, etc... I think I will just throw a single coat of Zaino on the Tundra, and that will probably last the term of the lease.

pensfan83

By this time next year the ZHP will probably have ceramic coating applied.

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap.

Never needs waxing! Come on Mike, you don't keep a car long enough for it to need waxing

breld

explorerx4 said:

One of my nephew's bought this today.
2020 Silverado Trail Boss.

One of my friends really would like to get one of those - same model and everything.

andres3

Michaell said:

And, the Outback is done.

A little break this afternoon, then I've got to mow the yards.

Chalk me up as another fan of the Outback green.

stickguy

there is a twin to that car in my neighborhood. I like it too.

andres3

In case anyone was wondering if Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's were sticky, here's a picture of me pulling over really quick on S22 to take a few photo shots, and of what the tires pick up when they are warm. It was bone dry in case you are wondering.

Michaell

Wife specifically wanted the Wilderness green. Put a deposit down on a car being shipped from the factory, waited two weeks for delivery, and made the deal.

Likely keep it 10 years, at the rate we put miles on it.

qbrozen

This evening I found myself perusing ads for Quattroportes, Cayenne Turbos, and xc60 T6s. I guess at least 2 are KIND OF similar. I should probably nix the volvo if I want to continue my quest of owning as many brands as I can. Never had a Maser nor Porsche yet. And I should probably nix the Maser only because I already have a RWD v8 sedan in the stable.

andres3

The Macan S and Macan GTS get pretty good reviews. I could see myself liking one given the SQ5 is cheaper but they put a slushbox instead of the PDK/DSG in it.

stickguy

going from an Ioniq to a Cayenne turbo. That is quite a spectrum swing.

abacomike

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap.

Never needs waxing! Come on Mike, you don't keep a car long enough for it to need waxing

I have had the S450 for 31 months - almost 3 years - record for me!!! 😛🤪😜

28firefighter

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap.

Never needs waxing! Come on Mike, you don't keep a car long enough for it to need waxing

I have had the S450 for 31 months - almost 3 years - record for me!!! 😛🤪😜

Really, it seems like you only got it about a year ago. I always say however many years ago you think something happened it will be double. I guess now that I am older I should triple it.

roadburner

qbrozen said:

This evening I found myself perusing ads for Quattroportes, Cayenne Turbos, and xc60 T6s. I guess at least 2 are KIND OF similar. I should probably nix the volvo if I want to continue my quest of owning as many brands as I can. Never had a Maser nor Porsche yet. And I should probably nix the Maser only because I already have a RWD v8 sedan in the stable.

My BMW dealer has a 2013 GranTurismo Sport on the used side. A V8 Maser is the real deal; the V6 is a double helping of wearer wannabe “meh”- but I have to say I AM tempted by the sultry coupe.

graphicguy

roadburner said:

breld said:

By the way @roadburner - good luck with getting the Stinger in the garage.

Thanks; I told the salesperson that I would only consider a RWD Stinger GT1 in Snow White Pearl, Ceramic Silver, or Panthera Metal- and it had to have the Red Interior Color Package.
So we will see...

Love the color choices. In person, the red metallic is stunning, too.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

The compressor went out and then replacing one or more of the air lines, I believe.

abacomike

My E450 is at the dealership - it arrived early this morning. They are tinting all windows and roof for me with 3M crystalline. Picking it up at 2:00 PM

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

There are so many products on the market that use the term sealant or ceramic that it’s tough to tell which are improvements. Isn't it the clear coat that protect the paint? That can last for decades so why not just spray an extra layer of that? Don’t these sealers become dull or scratched too? I must admit I’m not really up on the latest and greatest.

My feelings, too. Ceramic, synthetics, whatever concoction they come up with tomorrow. This still feels like “mop and glow” miracle stuff dealerships pushed years ago. They’re supposed to last forever. What they don’t tell you, is that you have to “reapply” (at a nominal cost) every year to get the benefit. You may as well wax the car yourself once/year.

Even the “saranwrap” type stuff they apply tends to get loose around the edges after a while.

I like Zaino products. I like Liquid Glass, which has been around forever. I bet I spend maybe $20/year on wax products and I dare anyone to say their miracle applications look better or are more durable.

There’s a detail shop near the closest Costco that will detail in and out of my car for $120. I can give them the wax. They do a great job. They do the details for the local BMW dealer (who in turn, mark it up to $499).

My advice? Skip the $900 wax job. Find a good detailed and have them give your car a good thorough wax job once/year. Your car will look better in the long run than the $900 Ceramic job and you’ll have a freshly waxed car once per year.

nyccarguy

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

breld said:

By the way @roadburner - good luck with getting the Stinger in the garage.

Thanks; I told the salesperson that I would only consider a RWD Stinger GT1 in Snow White Pearl, Ceramic Silver, or Panthera Metal- and it had to have the Red Interior Color Package.
So we will see...

Love the color choices. In person, the red metallic is stunning, too.

I like the black

abacomike

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

There are so many products on the market that use the term sealant or ceramic that it’s tough to tell which are improvements. Isn't it the clear coat that protect the paint? That can last for decades so why not just spray an extra layer of that? Don’t these sealers become dull or scratched too? I must admit I’m not really up on the latest and greatest.

My feelings, too. Ceramic, synthetics, whatever concoction they come up with tomorrow. This still feels like “mop and glow” miracle stuff dealerships pushed years ago. They’re supposed to last forever. What they don’t tell you, is that you have to “reapply” (at a nominal cost) every year to get the benefit. You may as well wax the car yourself once/year.

Even the “saranwrap” type stuff they apply tends to get loose around the edges after a while.

I like Zaino products. I like Liquid Glass, which has been around forever. I bet I spend maybe $20/year on wax products and I dare anyone to say their miracle applications look better or are more durable.

There’s a detail shop near the closest Costco that will detail in and out of my car for $120. I can give them the wax. They do a great job. They do the details for the local BMW dealer (who in turn, mark it up to $499).

My advice? Skip the $900 wax job. Find a good detailed and have them give your car a good thorough wax job once/year. Your car will look better in the long run than the $900 Ceramic job and you’ll have a freshly waxed car once per year.

I think you are right GG. $900 buys a lot of interior and exterior detailing over the years! 🤪

breld

I’m still on a Civic Type R owner’s group and as you can imagine, there is a lot of interest in all the latest and greatest paint protection products.

In a recent post, someone was asking if he was getting a decent deal for the installation of an Expel PPF product, a tint job, and other products I’m not even familiar with.

The total quoted cost was $3,700. And the feedback was that it was a good deal.

28firefighter

The PO put a ceramic coating on the ZHP that is good for 6 or 7 years.

On one hand, it seems like a straightforward way to minimize the work I have to put in to keep it looking good. However, in practice it is a bit more complicated. None of the wash and detail stuff I have is ceramic friendly - you can't put anything with wax as it breaks up the coating.

I just ordered a bunch of new stuff to get in front of that so I can use the same soap etc on the cars, but not something I really thought about.

stickguy

I am far from obsessive about detailing, and too cheap to spend big money on a treatment or (usually) a pro. I wash it when it needs it and I have time, clay occasionally (usually if it got sticky stuff on it, or I feel like it) and wax 2x a year with a decent cleaner/wax (like mcquires). does not take long, and while the results might not be pro quality, I think it looks good and the wife is impressed when I do her car. And after 7 years, it still looked good, shined like new just with assorted scratches and chips from wear and tear.

if we had kept the old RDX much longer, I would have taken it in to have a pro do some touch up work and try to get rid of some of the scratches. But on a lease, probably 2 waxes during the term, though now that I discovered how easy (and good results you get) from the Griot's spray detailer, probably not even getting that.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

The compressor went out and then replacing one or more of the air lines, I believe.

I looked into it real quick and found autohauz has the compressor for $800 and each spring for under $400. So not bad if you don’t have to pay the labor not dealership parts prices.

Can always convert to conventional suspension if so inclined, as well. Not sure I’d bother with that, though.

graphicguy

abacomike said:

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

stickguy said:

washed the new car for the first time today, in about 7 weeks of having it (hey, only cracked 300 miles on it yesterday). Looks like the white does a good job hiding the dirt, because that thing was really filthy on the sides. But looks brand new again now Better put it back in the garage for a few weeks to keep it that way.

I don't wash the E400 too often....if I wash it it usually rains the next day anyway. But, with white it seems the dirt gets embedded if it is left too long....then it needs a real good car wash type of car wash.

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

There are so many products on the market that use the term sealant or ceramic that it’s tough to tell which are improvements. Isn't it the clear coat that protect the paint? That can last for decades so why not just spray an extra layer of that? Don’t these sealers become dull or scratched too? I must admit I’m not really up on the latest and greatest.

My feelings, too. Ceramic, synthetics, whatever concoction they come up with tomorrow. This still feels like “mop and glow” miracle stuff dealerships pushed years ago. They’re supposed to last forever. What they don’t tell you, is that you have to “reapply” (at a nominal cost) every year to get the benefit. You may as well wax the car yourself once/year.

Even the “saranwrap” type stuff they apply tends to get loose around the edges after a while.

I like Zaino products. I like Liquid Glass, which has been around forever. I bet I spend maybe $20/year on wax products and I dare anyone to say their miracle applications look better or are more durable.

There’s a detail shop near the closest Costco that will detail in and out of my car for $120. I can give them the wax. They do a great job. They do the details for the local BMW dealer (who in turn, mark it up to $499).

My advice? Skip the $900 wax job. Find a good detailed and have them give your car a good thorough wax job once/year. Your car will look better in the long run than the $900 Ceramic job and you’ll have a freshly waxed car once per year.

I think you are right GG. $900 buys a lot of interior and exterior detailing over the years! 🤪

Mike...you’re literally getting it “right off the boat”. It was wrapped for it’s trip to these shores. It’s being delivered directly to your dealer and then to you. Paint should already be pristine. You don’t drive much, so the chance you’ll get a nick is greatly reduced. Besides, wax won’t protect you from a nick or chip.

Any good wax job should protect against ultra violet rays or bird droppings.

Find a local body shop and ask them who they use to do details. They want their repairs to look their best. They’d steer you in the right direction.

benjaminh

Vehicles sales were cut in half by the crisis, but during the same time vehicle production ended. In other words, is there a chance that at some point it might be a seller's market?

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

The compressor went out and then replacing one or more of the air lines, I believe.

I looked into it real quick and found autohauz has the compressor for $800 and each spring for under $400. So not bad if you don’t have to pay the labor not dealership parts prices.

Can always convert to conventional suspension if so inclined, as well. Not sure I’d bother with that, though.

Competent DIY and having another vehicle makes all the difference in owning one of these. Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

What generation Cayenne Turbo are you looking at?

oldfarmer50

breld said:

I’m still on a Civic Type R owner’s group and as you can imagine, there is a lot of interest in all the latest and greatest paint protection products.

In a recent post, someone was asking if he was getting a decent deal for the installation of an Expel PPF product, a tint job, and other products I’m not even familiar with.

The total quoted cost was $3,700. And the feedback was that it was a good deal.

That costs more than many of my cars.

Don’t the professional car restorers put on multiple layers of clear coat to get that deep wet look? Why not spend the money to put on a dozen layers of clear and then buff when it starts to fade? You’d have plenty of thickness to last multiple buff & polish cycles.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

The compressor went out and then replacing one or more of the air lines, I believe.

I looked into it real quick and found autohauz has the compressor for $800 and each spring for under $400. So not bad if you don’t have to pay the labor not dealership parts prices.

Can always convert to conventional suspension if so inclined, as well. Not sure I’d bother with that, though.

Competent DIY and having another vehicle makes all the difference in owning one of these. Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

What generation Cayenne Turbo are you looking at?

I really prefer the 2008, But there is a 2006 with 60k miles for under $10k, so tough to overlook the savings there. The 2008 near me has 84k miles, is a much better color combo, but is $14k.

the more I think about it, I may go a different route. A Cayenne Turbo is faster than my Charger, so it would make me start to wonder why even have that around. And I don't want to wonder that. LOL. So maybe I should get something slower. A dealer not far from me has a nice looking V60 T5 AWD. ..

I could always revisit my Hummer thoughts. I'd look at leases again, but that seems silly right now. I think purchasing is the way to go at the moment since it would gain few miles.

tjc78

“So maybe I should get something slower”

Say what??

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The Cayenne Turbo is terrifyingly fast. As in, way to fast.

Also, a nightmare to maintain.

Yes, I drove one once. Scared the hell outta me. What maintenance are you referring to? Only common failure I ever read about is the coolant pipe under the intake that requires replacing. Certainly a manageable repair for me.

Just everything is expensive in terms of parts. Brakes are a fortune and it eats through them like crazy. Certainly more doable if you can DIY and not deal with labor.

The big problem point is if the air suspension goes out. My Dad had an issue with his and the extended warranty paid out somewhere north of $10k to repair it.

Ouch. Wonder what they had to do.

The compressor went out and then replacing one or more of the air lines, I believe.

I looked into it real quick and found autohauz has the compressor for $800 and each spring for under $400. So not bad if you don’t have to pay the labor not dealership parts prices.

Can always convert to conventional suspension if so inclined, as well. Not sure I’d bother with that, though.

Competent DIY and having another vehicle makes all the difference in owning one of these. Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

What generation Cayenne Turbo are you looking at?

I really prefer the 2008, But there is a 2006 with 60k miles for under $10k, so tough to overlook the savings there. The 2008 near me has 84k miles, is a much better color combo, but is $14k.

the more I think about it, I may go a different route. A Cayenne Turbo is faster than my Charger, so it would make me start to wonder why even have that around. And I don't want to wonder that. LOL. So maybe I should get something slower. A dealer not far from me has a nice looking V60 T5 AWD. ..

I could always revisit my Hummer thoughts. I'd look at leases again, but that seems silly right now. I think purchasing is the way to go at the moment since it would gain few miles.

2005-2007 S60 R or V70 R.

stickguy

what year is the V60? I love those.

stickguy

benjaminh said:

Vehicles sales were cut in half by the crisis, but during the same time vehicle production ended. In other words, is there a chance that at some point it might be a seller's market?

I wondered this early one, when the discussion about dealers having to slash prices came up. Seems that they were more willing to ride it out, since once the world opened back up there was likely to be some pent up demand, and when they cleared out inventory they were not getting replacements. so if they sold all their stock at huge losses, they would not have anything to sell when demand ticked up. Assuming of course it really does.

houdini1

abacomike said:

houdini1 said:

abacomike said:

corvette said:

abacomike said:

My brother had both of his Mercedes vehicles "sealed" with some sort of silicone process. Never needs waxing - IIRC it was not cheap. He has a white SUV and a silver E cabriolet. It protects the paint. I'll have to call him about that.

I've heard really good things about the newer ceramic coatings, but haven't tried any of them yet.

Just called my brother - he said the ceramic coating sealant cost him $900 for his 2019 E450 Cabriolet.

Since I park outdoors under trees, it might be well worth having it done. He swears by the finish.

I've got it on my '16 Lexus LS and love it. Put on by dealer. A friend has an '18 LS same color, atomic silver and my finish puts his to shame. Highly recommend.

What did your dealer charge you?

Around $600., but that was 4 years ago.

pensfan83

Prelude officially off the market for now. It's had a lot of inquiries but most are from people correlating a 23 y/o Honda with a ratty and rusted out junker, like many are, and want it priced like one. I even went so far as to get pictures of the undercarriage for someone in Erie yesterday and the damn thing doesn't get any cleaner than that.

stickguy

it does look good under there. too bad I am not in the market yet for my toy spare car!

andres3

That lift has arms that look ratty and rusty!

driver100

pensfan83 said:

Prelude officially off the market for now. It's had a lot of inquiries but most are from people correlating a 23 y/o Honda with a ratty and rusted out junker, like many are, and want it priced like one. I even went so far as to get pictures of the undercarriage for someone in Erie yesterday and the damn thing doesn't get any cleaner than that.

So, he knew the price....he asked for pictures of the undercarriage which you generously sent....and he says he isn't interested? Did he think the undercarriage was gold plated or stainless steel?

explorerx4

Based on the Kia and Volvo dealers I went by yesterday, it will be a while before there is a seller's market.
Both their lots were packed with new vehicles.
Otoh, my nephew told me the Chevy dealer he bought his truck at had very few Siverado 1500's.
Also checked another Chevy dealer and they only had a couple dozen 1500's, mostly lower end models.
Maybe model specific?