Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

28firefighter

I was in your neck of the woods yesterday running some errands. Within the span of a few blocks I saw a new Bentley with temp tags, a Ferrari with recently new tags, and a new Taycan.

breld

Okay, so...

My appreciation and enthusiasm for the Nitro Yellow that drove me to eagerly place the deposit turned to increasing anxiety as I envisioned the ownership and daily driving experience.

At the moment, I withdrew my deposit, I’ve negotiated a slightly lower price on a Tungsten Silver one at the local dealership I worked with, and the 228i is back in my garage as it will likely be traded (@michaell and I talked and he thought the chances of him actually acquiring it were slim).

Tentative plan is to close on the more conservatively colored Supra Monday. Though I will admit I looked at used listings of 718 Boxsters and Caymans this morning...just to cover my bases.

28firefighter

Were you just concerned it’d be too flashy or was it something else?

qbrozen

Does that count as a win for me on the “something less yellow” prediction? ;b

stickguy

I do like the yellow, but can certainly see not wanting to make that bold of a statement. The red on my TLX is flashy, but not close to that level!

breld

Yeah, basically too flashy on a car that’s inherently flashy on its own.

I admire the yellow so much on cars like this, but I started realizing that admiring it versus owning and living with it may be two different things.

breld

qbrozen said:

Does that count as a win for me on the “something less yellow” prediction? ;b

I have no choice but to give you that one.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Here's a link to a video with a yellow Supra(and a white one).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQosdDhpwQ

Of those two colors I like the yellow better.

breld

Anyone feel compelled to warn me off the 2020 model given the power and suspension improvements for 2021?

Not that I personally care - based on acceleration tests, the extra horses make no discernible difference (the 335 may have been underrated), and it sounds like the twitchiness of the 2020 was more of an issue at the limits and on the track.

But you read enough reviews (the same ones that gushed over the 2020), and you start to wonder if the 2020’s will suffer disproportionately.

I’m going with the assumption that the relatively steep discount will be sufficient to partially offset that.

And more likely than anything - I’m overthinking the whole thing (my wife’s opinion for sure).

breld

explorerx4 said:

Here's a link to a video with a yellow Supra(and a white one).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQosdDhpwQ

I’ve watched that video numerous times - I like those guys.

breld

One thing’s for sure...as nice and capable as the 4 cylinder version seems to be, I’ll take the lesser tuned I-6 in the 2020 all day.

breld

28firefighter said:

I loved that era Q5, so imagine this is like driving a rocket version. Will have to give it a thorough test drive if and when I finally get back to Philly.

I loved my SQ5 of that era. I thing you’ll be impressed.

And congrats to them!

qbrozen

breld said:

Yeah, basically too flashy on a car that’s inherently flashy on its own.

I admire the yellow so much on cars like this, but I started realizing that admiring it versus owning and living with it may be two different things.

Totally with you. Granted, I drive a big orange Charger...

breld

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Yeah, basically too flashy on a car that’s inherently flashy on its own.

I admire the yellow so much on cars like this, but I started realizing that admiring it versus owning and living with it may be two different things.

Totally with you. Granted, I drive a big orange Charger...

I was gonna say...

If memory serves you also targeted the purple?

But no doubt those muscle cars wear the colors well.

fintail

Sounds like Bellevue. I saw a Bentayga the other day, along with a Uterus pulling out from AM-PM of all places.

I'd take silver over yellow on that Supra, too. Less of a cop magnet, at the very least.

28firefighter said:

I was in your neck of the woods yesterday running some errands. Within the span of a few blocks I saw a new Bentley with temp tags, a Ferrari with recently new tags, and a new Taycan.

Michaell

breld said:

Okay, so...

My appreciation and enthusiasm for the Nitro Yellow that drove me to eagerly place the deposit turned to increasing anxiety as I envisioned the ownership and daily driving experience.

At the moment, I withdrew my deposit, I’ve negotiated a slightly lower price on a Tungsten Silver one at the local dealership I worked with, and the 228i is back in my garage as it will likely be traded (@michaell and I talked and he thought the chances of him actually acquiring it were slim).

Tentative plan is to close on the more conservatively colored Supra Monday. Though I will admit I looked at used listings of 718 Boxsters and Caymans this morning...just to cover my bases.

The 228i is a great car, and well equipped, but the timing of getting a third car just isn't right for us at the moment.

jmonroe1

breld said:

Anyone feel inclined to warn me off the 2020 model given the power and suspension improvements for 2021?

Not that I personally care - based on acceleration tests, the extra horses make no discernible difference (the 335 may have been underrated), and it sounds like the twitchiness of the 2020 was more of an issue at the limits and on the track.

But you read enough reviews (the same ones that gushed over the 2020), and you start to wonder if the 2020’s will suffer disproportionately.

I’m going with the assumption that the relatively steep discount will be sufficient to partially offset that.

And more likely than anything - I’m overthinking the whole thing (my wife’s opinion for sure).

I don’t know why you’re getting overly obsessed about this. You have the perfect built-in excuse for getting a 2021 in a few months.

jmonroe

qbrozen

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Yeah, basically too flashy on a car that’s inherently flashy on its own.

I admire the yellow so much on cars like this, but I started realizing that admiring it versus owning and living with it may be two different things.

Totally with you. Granted, I drive a big orange Charger...

I was gonna say...

If memory serves you also targeted the purple?

But no doubt those muscle cars wear the colors well.

Yup. I’d swap mine for a Plum Crazy Scat Pack. Lol. I think either are still more subdued than a yellow sportscar, though.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

Anyone feel compelled to warn me off the 2020 model given the power and suspension improvements for 2021?

Not that I personally care - based on acceleration tests, the extra horses make no discernible difference (the 335 may have been underrated), and it sounds like the twitchiness of the 2020 was more of an issue at the limits and on the track.

But you read enough reviews (the same ones that gushed over the 2020), and you start to wonder if the 2020’s will suffer disproportionately.

I’m going with the assumption that the relatively steep discount will be sufficient to partially offset that.

And more likely than anything - I’m overthinking the whole thing (my wife’s opinion for sure).

I agree with your wife but I think you may be having buyer’s remorse.

breld

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

Anyone feel compelled to warn me off the 2020 model given the power and suspension improvements for 2021?

Not that I personally care - based on acceleration tests, the extra horses make no discernible difference (the 335 may have been underrated), and it sounds like the twitchiness of the 2020 was more of an issue at the limits and on the track.

But you read enough reviews (the same ones that gushed over the 2020), and you start to wonder if the 2020’s will suffer disproportionately.

I’m going with the assumption that the relatively steep discount will be sufficient to partially offset that.

And more likely than anything - I’m overthinking the whole thing (my wife’s opinion for sure).

I agree with your wife but I think you may be having buyer’s remorse.

Well, I haven’t bought it yet.

The concern is really whether I’m pulling the trigger on a 2020 too soon.

But, get it and enjoy it and all that.

breld

This is the same as I’m looking at, but at a different dealer.

28firefighter

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

28firefighter

It’s gorgeous and with good tint, it’s really sharp.

Michaell

breld said:

oldfarmer50 said:

breld said:

Anyone feel compelled to warn me off the 2020 model given the power and suspension improvements for 2021?

Not that I personally care - based on acceleration tests, the extra horses make no discernible difference (the 335 may have been underrated), and it sounds like the twitchiness of the 2020 was more of an issue at the limits and on the track.

But you read enough reviews (the same ones that gushed over the 2020), and you start to wonder if the 2020’s will suffer disproportionately.

I’m going with the assumption that the relatively steep discount will be sufficient to partially offset that.

And more likely than anything - I’m overthinking the whole thing (my wife’s opinion for sure).

I agree with your wife but I think you may be having buyer’s remorse.

Well, I haven’t bought it yet.

The concern is really whether I’m pulling the trigger on a 2020 too soon.

But, get it and enjoy it and all that.

You already know what I think your plan should be.

You did the same with the RF.

breld

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

benjaminh

breld said:

This is the same as I’m looking at, but at a different dealer.

Nice color!
(And one that I think is maybe less noticeable if you're going a few mph above the speed limit.)

28firefighter

You don’t have to tell me. I get wanting it now, especially since you have mentally committed and the weather is nice enough for it.

I tend to agree with, @Michaell on this, if only because you churn so quickly - could be saving you thousands on the back end in depreciation.

benjaminh

This guy has gotten over 500,000 miles on his 2005 Acura TLX. He gets the transmission fluid changed every c. 30,000-40,000 miles. I haven't been able to find the recommended interval for transmission fluid changes on my fwd Acura, but I'm wondering if it needs to be that often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlVnlwz3cM

roadburner

stickguy said:

that M2 is certainly good looking. Can someone translate all the acronyms and tell me what is wrong with it? I thought the skin roof was the most important thing (still think that is weird, but to each their own!)

What don't you get? The M2C gives you-among other things-the S55 motor out of the M3/M4, real ///M seats, and more aggressive suspension tuning. The CS gets you a CF roof, interior/exterior trim, more hp and other lightweight goodies.
LCI is BMW-speak for exterior/interior facelift, which most Bimmers get halfway through their production life. The 2018- up M240i and M2 are LCI cars.
What do you mean by "skin roof?" If you mean no sunroof, the reason I won't get a sunroof on an M2 is because:
1. It is more expensive, and much more importantly, it
2. Adds 70 pounds to the highest point of the car, and
3. I never use it- since I bought my 2er in January 2016 I have yet to touch the sunroof button ; ditto for the Clubman we picked up in April of 2017.

Michaell

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

breld said:

This is the same as I’m looking at, but at a different dealer.

Nice color!
(And one that I think is maybe less noticeable if you're going a few mph above the speed limit.)

Is it just me or isn’t one of the reasons for buying a car like that is to be noticed? but what do I know seeing that this is my latest purchase.

stickguy

Michaell said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

sounding to me like rushing into it. and at that price point, can certainly end badly! if the 2021 is that much better, makes sense to wait. Though it almost seems like a case of talking yourself into something because it seems like it should be wonderful, when it really isn't. But what do I know?

other than flashy and polarizing style, and being a slushbox, how much different is the Supra than the 2 series? I don't recall though if that is the 4 or the 6 motor.

If the 2 series really has worn out it's welcome, a used TT as a diversion does seem to make sense. The Supra, only if you are confident it will be something (like the Type R) where it will hold value abnormally well on the used market.

hey, it is a RWD sports car. You live in the mountains. December is the time to buy one of those, not June!

though as always, YMMV, I'm not an experts, yada yada yada!

oh, bottom line, the current car, a Supra, or a TT convertible, no losers in that bunch!

corvette

@oldfarmer50 - is this a recent acquisition? If so, let me know so I can add it to the list.

andres3

benjaminh said:

This guy says he loves his Tesla Model 3, but the ac often smells bad, there's condensation in one of the rear tail lights, his lumbar support broke, standard tires bad and last less than 10k miles, having the sun "sizzle his eyes" through the glass roof is unpleasant, electrical gremlins in driver power window, so-so paint, etc. This is steering me back toward Acura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHx478kKoHc

Wow, the kinds of issues you'd expect in a Chrysler, but everyone excuses them because they are "cheap." Not so with Tesla, big $$$$.

graphicguy

breld said:

Okay, so...

My appreciation and enthusiasm for the Nitro Yellow that drove me to eagerly place the deposit turned to increasing anxiety as I envisioned the ownership and daily driving experience.

At the moment, I withdrew my deposit, I’ve negotiated a slightly lower price on a Tungsten Silver one at the local dealership I worked with, and the 228i is back in my garage as it will likely be traded (@michaell and I talked and he thought the chances of him actually acquiring it were slim).

Tentative plan is to close on the more conservatively colored Supra Monday. Though I will admit I looked at used listings of 718 Boxsters and Caymans this morning...just to cover my bases.

What did the sales person/manager say to you when you pulled the deposit on the yellow one?

andres3

stickguy said:

Michaell said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

sounding to me like rushing into it. and at that price point, can certainly end badly! if the 2021 is that much better, makes sense to wait. Though it almost seems like a case of talking yourself into something because it seems like it should be wonderful, when it really isn't. But what do I know?

other than flashy and polarizing style, and being a slushbox, how much different is the Supra than the 2 series? I don't recall though if that is the 4 or the 6 motor.

If the 2 series really has worn out it's welcome, a used TT as a diversion does seem to make sense. The Supra, only if you are confident it will be something (like the Type R) where it will hold value abnormally well on the used market.

hey, it is a RWD sports car. You live in the mountains. December is the time to buy one of those, not June!

though as always, YMMV, I'm not an experts, yada yada yada!

oh, bottom line, the current car, a Supra, or a TT convertible, no losers in that bunch!

I would mention one of the benefits of the TTS is that it is a year-round all-weather sports car with quattro AWD. Of course, I shouldn't mention this, as @breld doesn't keep his cars long enough for that to matter.

benjaminh

andres3 said:

Wow, the kinds of issues you'd expect in a Chrysler, but everyone excuses them because they are "cheap." Not so with Tesla, big $$$$.

Yeah. And from what I've been reading and watching Tesla service is often slow and sometimes mediocre. They don't have enough spare parts, they don't have enough technicians, they don't have enough service centers, and when your warranty ends it seems like you go even farther back to the back of a very long line waiting for anything. No thanks.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

@oldfarmer50 - is this a recent acquisition? If so, let me know so I can add it to the list.

I usually don’t announce my acquisitions since most of them are fairly mundane. But here’s the list for the last few years:

2020 (we pick it up on Tuesday)


2019


2018


2016


2015


I feel badly that I had a lapse in 2017 but I also bought that old cargo van behind the Mercury in 2016 so I guess that counts as one a year.

benjaminh

I found an answer for the question of how often to change transmission fluid. No guesswork. You get your transmission fluid changed when the maintenance minder tells you. Apparently under normal conditions that is usually every c. 50,000 miles or so with the FWD TLX 2.4 with the 8-speed dual clutch transmission, and it probably costs about $200 at the dealer. I can live with that. Here are all the Acura service codes. You are also supposed to replace the brake fluid every three years, and so no code for that.



If that guy and Tyson Hugie can get 500,000+ miles out of an Acura I feel like I might be able to get half of that if I follow the maintenance minder.

breld

graphicguy said:

breld said:

Okay, so...

My appreciation and enthusiasm for the Nitro Yellow that drove me to eagerly place the deposit turned to increasing anxiety as I envisioned the ownership and daily driving experience.

At the moment, I withdrew my deposit, I’ve negotiated a slightly lower price on a Tungsten Silver one at the local dealership I worked with, and the 228i is back in my garage as it will likely be traded (@michaell and I talked and he thought the chances of him actually acquiring it were slim).

Tentative plan is to close on the more conservatively colored Supra Monday. Though I will admit I looked at used listings of 718 Boxsters and Caymans this morning...just to cover my bases.

What did the sales person/manager say to you when you pulled the deposit on the yellow one?

He was nice enough and particularly so given the circumstances. He did make note that they had canceled the two appointments to see the car on Saturday. I sincerely apologized and said that’s why I was letting him know right away (Friday night) so they could hopefully get those appointments back on.

carnaught

Do Supra’s come in other interior colors than black?

mjfloyd1

Red Supras look good to me

https://www.toyotaofmuncie.com/inventory/new-2020-toyota-supra-premium-rwd-2d-coupe-wz1db4c01lw027256/

breld

stickguy said:

Michaell said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

sounding to me like rushing into it. and at that price point, can certainly end badly! if the 2021 is that much better, makes sense to wait. Though it almost seems like a case of talking yourself into something because it seems like it should be wonderful, when it really isn't. But what do I know?

other than flashy and polarizing style, and being a slushbox, how much different is the Supra than the 2 series? I don't recall though if that is the 4 or the 6 motor.

If the 2 series really has worn out it's welcome, a used TT as a diversion does seem to make sense. The Supra, only if you are confident it will be something (like the Type R) where it will hold value abnormally well on the used market.

hey, it is a RWD sports car. You live in the mountains. December is the time to buy one of those, not June!

though as always, YMMV, I'm not an experts, yada yada yada!

oh, bottom line, the current car, a Supra, or a TT convertible, no losers in that bunch!

@stickguy - that’s a great post. Thanks.

I’m probably over sharing when I try not to do so here, but it is certainly helpful to air out my thinking with this group who understands not only the vehicles themselves, but the emotional/mental side of buying cars.

Um...as for the 2 series, to your point, if I didn’t have that I think it’d be easier to pull the trigger. While it’s “only” the 4 cylinder, it does have 240 hp, is rear wheel drive and a great blend of comfort and sport. And while I’m not opposed in the least anymore to a good automatic, the 2 does have the manual. So...it’s really nice for 1/3 of the cost.

And on the other hand, to be fair, clearly the Supra is a purer sports car. The acceleration (for what I have owned) is crazy, the sounds are wonderful, I LOVE the styling, and while it’s a firmer ride as you’d expect, it’s still comfortable enough to drive around all day. Considering the competition it’s pitted against, I see it as a good value and in many ways mimics a BMW M car (as I haven’t actually owned an M car, I may be speaking sacrilege).

So to be clear, I’m 99.9% sure a Supra will be in our garage. I’m just questioning how much it’s worth to be more patient - and that probably means a used 2020. I’m not waiting just to go out and pay sticker or near-sticker for a 2021. The current deals on the remaining 2020’s have obviously piqued my interest (along with my wife practically pushing me out the door to go get it...man I love her). It’s certainly a great time to buy a new Supra compared to those who had to be first in line and paid above sticker - I just need to decide if the additional premium of buying now over waiting for the used market is worth having it the garage now (well...tomorrow). 😀

Anyway - I recognize all my chatter on the subject may get to an annoying state. Thanks all for the support and feedback.

breld

carnaught said:

Do Supra’s come in other interior colors than black?

The “Launch Edition” comes in red leather, but other than that it’s black. Either black alcantara in the base or leather in the Premium.

breld

mjfloyd1 said:

Red Supras look good to me

https://www.toyotaofmuncie.com/inventory/new-2020-toyota-supra-premium-rwd-2d-coupe-wz1db4c01lw027256/

I don’t know what it is, but my 1990 Civic Si was red - had to have it in that color. But since then I’ve had virtually no desire for a bright red car.

breld

@oldfarmer50 - there are no mundane car acquisitions. Share them all!

breld

andres3 said:

stickguy said:

Michaell said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

sounding to me like rushing into it. and at that price point, can certainly end badly! if the 2021 is that much better, makes sense to wait. Though it almost seems like a case of talking yourself into something because it seems like it should be wonderful, when it really isn't. But what do I know?

other than flashy and polarizing style, and being a slushbox, how much different is the Supra than the 2 series? I don't recall though if that is the 4 or the 6 motor.

If the 2 series really has worn out it's welcome, a used TT as a diversion does seem to make sense. The Supra, only if you are confident it will be something (like the Type R) where it will hold value abnormally well on the used market.

hey, it is a RWD sports car. You live in the mountains. December is the time to buy one of those, not June!

though as always, YMMV, I'm not an experts, yada yada yada!

oh, bottom line, the current car, a Supra, or a TT convertible, no losers in that bunch!

I would mention one of the benefits of the TTS is that it is a year-round all-weather sports car with quattro AWD. Of course, I shouldn't mention this, as @breld doesn't keep his cars long enough for that to matter.

Absolutely the TTS is great year-round. No question. I just don’t necessarily need a year-rounder since I have the V90 for the bad winter days...which are relatively few and far between in CO anyway.

My consideration for the TTS (which is still on the list) is based solely on what an awesome car it is!

breld

Michaell said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

It’s a lot of money to be second guessing.

Agreed. Because it’s a lot of money, I’m trying to be thoughtful though it’s obviously a very emotionally driven purchase.

Any second guessing is not with the car, but with the timing and my patience (lack thereof).

@michaell’s input is to wait a bit longer for used examples like I did with the Miata. I don’t disagree...but (in child’s whiny voice) I want it now. 😀

That's only half of it.

I also suggested he find a nice TT roadster or TTS for now, then shop for a used Supra in a year, give or take, when the folks who "had to have one now" realize it's shortcomings - or kick themselves when they realize the 2021 will have 50 more HP.

We had a long talk this morning in my garage when he came to pick up the 2. Lots of ground was covered, and I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, that he didn't pull the trigger on one today.

Good thing dealers are closed in CO on Sundays, so he will have one more day to think on this before ultimately pulling the trigger (my opinion).

Getting the “tweener” car like a TT of some sort has its merits, and does scratch that itch. But the loss on that I believe would basically negate the savings of waiting on the Supra.

Clearly the best answer is to enjoy the 228i while I bide my time...but the pull is strong to that Supra. 😀

28firefighter

You’re not oversharing - at least, not more than the rest of us.

I guess the question is this: do you really care about the savings of buying used in the middle of winter vs buying new when you can drive it? Sure there is the principle of the thing when you churn cars, but does it actually make a difference to you if you trade in 12 months and lose $8k vs $5k (as a random example)?

Personally I’d have a tough time buying a car like the Supra in December knowing I’d basically have to park it for 4-6 months.

benjaminh

@breld : If you love the Supra and it fits in your budget why not go for it!

But one point in favor of the BMW 2-series—it looks like the 2-series has better rear visibility than the Supra.