Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

28firefighter

I did as well; I drove it 2 miles and my back was bothering me. I've heard they've taken steps to make them more padded and more supportive.

stickguy

I’ll probably go sit in one and not like it.

I’ll stay fixated on a GTI, or something similar, for now.

breld

Oh, and @stickguy - I saw that reveal of the refreshed G70 as well. I think it's the best execution of this new Genesis design language yet. And a 290 hp base engine along with the twin turbo 3.3T option is promising for the brand. Now they just need to get independent dealerships going.

fintail

That grille would be 1000x better if it ended in the license plate area.

breld

Better proportions than this though!

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Cute review. I like her.

Want a GTI even more now. I forgot the 2018 needed the performance pack to get upgraded brakes and the LSD, but I suspect I would not really notice not having them.

Are you sure? I think my SE came with that standard. But, I bought it used, so what do I know?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Thanks. So only about $80/month for no Costco.

Costco membership is only $60.

28firefighter

You had to be enrolled as of 8/31 to qualify for the Costco deal with Chevy.

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

You had to be enrolled as of 8/31 to qualify for the Costco deal with Chevy.

Ah..

breld

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

Cute review. I like her.

Want a GTI even more now. I forgot the 2018 needed the performance pack to get upgraded brakes and the LSD, but I suspect I would not really notice not having them.

Are you sure? I think my SE came with that standard. But, I bought it used, so what do I know?

Correct - I believe the performance pack basically became standard on SE and above in 2018, when the GTI was refreshed.

breld

@stickguy - I really think a Civic Si needs to be in your future. Seems quite perfect for what you're after.

ab348

graphicguy said:

I know this is mostly fluff, but I still like watching her. Current GTI vs new redesign https://youtu.be/-DluWP2isMk

Ha! She's fun. Could be Elana Scheer's younger cousin I suppose as she has a similar sort of style. Looking at some of her other stuff on YT, she is really into taking on tough projects. Just as with Elana, I like her.

That video does make a good argument for getting the Mk 7 GTI right now.

xwesx

ab348 said:

Man, people are dumping TLXs all over the place!

Well, that's what happens when vehicles are all show, no go.

xwesx

stickguy said:

nyccarguy said:

Might I suggest THIS for the @breld household?


https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3v2YlANm/2018-volkswagen-golf-gti-s

sounds like exactly the owner you want to buy it from.

Definitely! The guy sounds quite thoughtful about his care of the vehicle and even why he has "needs to replace" tires on it rather than new ones.

stickguy

Oh, it goes plenty fast.

I actually want to look at the Si again. Been a while, but good option too.

I was looking (and that video above was on) the S model. It was optional on that back then.

Lousy timing on getting a GTI though. 20s are almost nonexistent new, and 21s won’t be out for a while (and no deals to start). So that leaves a tight market on used ones. That would definitely have to wait until at least probably February.

Si probably the same issue. New model coming out (but that may be as a 22?) early next year. EDIT: late spring for the redesign.

Elantra N line will be out too by then.

stickguy

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

nyccarguy said:

Might I suggest THIS for the @breld household?


https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3v2YlANm/2018-volkswagen-golf-gti-s

sounds like exactly the owner you want to buy it from.

Definitely! The guy sounds quite thoughtful about his care of the vehicle and even why he has "needs to replace" tires on it rather than new ones.

I would always prefer a price credit and getting my own tires.

breld

Yeah, inventory levels are low overall, but for models like the GTI and Si, I think they're pretty much nonexistent.

Which reminds me of a thought I had the other day - I saw a new Sentra on the road and thought it was actually quite nice looking. Why doesn't Nissan try to revive the spirit of the old '90's SE-R again?

On a Nissan note, this new 400Z reveal should be interesting. The teasers look promising thus far. Toyota has left the door wide open for them to offer a manual.

breld

ab348 said:

graphicguy said:

I know this is mostly fluff, but I still like watching her. Current GTI vs new redesign https://youtu.be/-DluWP2isMk

Ha! She's fun. Could be Elana Scheer's younger cousin I suppose as she has a similar sort of style. Looking at some of her other stuff on YT, she is really into taking on tough projects. Just as with Elana, I like her.

Agreed - she's a bit quirky but engaging without being annoying. I happened upon a Supra review she did a while back and have now watched a few of her videos. They're fun.

stickguy

Oh, speaking of Sentra, still possible at any time I inherit one from my father. If I did, would just run out the lease on it.

qbrozen

breld said:

Yeah, inventory levels are low overall, but for models like the GTI and Si, I think they're pretty much nonexistent.

Which reminds me of a thought I had the other day - I saw a new Sentra on the road and thought it was actually quite nice looking. Why doesn't Nissan try to revive the spirit of the old '90's SE-R again?

On a Nissan note, this new 400Z reveal should be interesting. The teasers look promising thus far. Toyota has left the door wide open for them to offer a manual.

Was not even aware that was coming.

Per C&D:
Like its beastly brother, the Nissan GT-R, the 400Z is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V-6. But, instead of the fire-breathing 565-hp 3.8-liter that’s under the hood of the GT-R, the 400Z will likely get the 300-hp 3.0-liter mill from the Infiniti Q60. It's also possible that high-performance NISMO variant could get the 400-hp version of that engine that's currently exclusive to the Q60 Red Sport 400.

I hope that is not true, for Nissan's sake. 300hp is not going to cut it, unless it is magically losing 1k lbs in the process.

breld

Agreed - it does seem the Red Sport engine should be the starting point for something like the new Z.

breld

I remember when the Z was first revived - late '90's early 2000's?

Man, I drooled over the brochure wanting one so bad. Didn't exactly fit the needs of a young couple thinking of having kids at some point. And my wife at the time liked cars but didn't share the same enthusiasm as I did.

Boy am I glad I moved on.

breld

I think I heard rumblings of this from Nissan, but forgot about it until I just now was looking for more 400Z info.

https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/ariya

That's a pretty good looking EV offering from Nissan. I'm intrigued to see all the new models supposedly being introduced over the next year or so. Compared to VW's ID4, I'd have a higher level of confidence in Nissan and their Leaf experience.

tifighter

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

Get it under $200/month and we got something going!

Though I don't have a Costco membership.

Oh, it is WAY under that. For an LT, I calculated it to be $65/mo with a relatively modest dealer discount. A Premier is a fair bit more.

$65/month? Without a ton down? That is certainly cheap. What’s the terms?

Somehow though, if I walked into my local Chevy dealer and said I want one for that payment, they won’t usher me right into the finance office. Maybe you should set up the deal for me and let me know when to pick it up!

It can be less. But with $40k MSRP, a piddly $3k dealer discount (7.5%), then $3k costco, $5750 lease cash, and $1500 conquest, it comes to a $6992 one-pay deal (assuming $399 doc fee and $330 DMV). Then you get the $5k NJ rebate after. That's on a 36/10k. Effective is $55/mo. Some folks report getting it quite a bit less. I'm giving modest numbers for an easy deal.

That's a ridiculous deal.

I have a friend that loves his. I've actually been thinking of one for my parents. Probably won't move them to NJ though. Probably.

qbrozen

breld said:

I remember when the Z was first revived - late '90's early 2000's?

Man, I drooled over the brochure wanting one so bad. Didn't exactly fit the needs of a young couple thinking of having kids at some point. And my wife at the time liked cars but didn't share the same enthusiasm as I did.

Boy am I glad I moved on.

early 2000s. I had a deck of playing cards they sent out as a promo. lol.
I did eventually get one. I loved it. Damned kids! Only had it a few months before we got pregnant and I had to say goodbye.

ab348

breld said:

I think I heard rumblings of this from Nissan, but forgot about it until I just now was looking for more 400Z info.

https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/ariya

That's a pretty good looking EV offering from Nissan. I'm intrigued to see all the new models supposedly being introduced over the next year or so. Compared to VW's ID4, I'd have a higher level of confidence in Nissan and their Leaf experience.

Well, while I have real doubts about VW's commitment to engineering for long-term reliability, their overall engineering chops cannot be questioned. Nissan, OTOH, has a history of throughout this century of producing cheap, appliance-like, built-to-a-price vehicles for the bulk of their production while letting models like the Z and even the GT_R age out. And corporately they are beset by scandal, have lost billions of dollars in recent years, have let their mainstream models fall to the bottom of most categories, have laid off many thousands of people, and have had their products become rental-car fodder. The Leaf was a good first effort but that debuted, what, 8 or 9 years ago? That company has a lot longer road to regaining my confidence than VW.

suydam

The Leaf Plus is a really nice vehicle. If we replaced the Encore that’s what I’d consider. But at the moment we are barely driving at all.

breld

Alright - this is purely for fun...no intervention required.

But since my Supra seems to be retaining its value according to KBB, which indicates trade is a bit higher than what I paid...it's fun to think about what I could do for a reset.

And if I wanted a stick shift again...

https://www.phillongdenver.com/new/Ford/2020-Ford-Mustang-33b620bb0a0e0ae838d094d8f1b0b285.htm?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

That's a real pretty Mustang GT optioned out nicely.

breld

I'm working remotely from home today, it's freezing outside, it snowed here in Denver, and I'm pretty much caught up on my work.

Can you all tell?

28firefighter

Perfect time to buy a rear wheel drive sports car - when there is snow on the ground!

explorerx4

I did see a picture of a bunch of snow around the Eisenhower.

xwesx

breld said:

I'm working remotely from home today, it's freezing outside, it snowed here in Denver, and I'm pretty much caught up on my work.

Can you all tell?

Damnit.... don't say 'snow.' I don't want to even think about that yet.

ab348

breld said:

Alright - this is purely for fun...no intervention required.

But since my Supra seems to be retaining its value according to KBB, which indicates trade is a bit higher than what I paid...it's fun to think about what I could do for a reset.

And if I wanted a stick shift again...

https://www.phillongdenver.com/new/Ford/2020-Ford-Mustang-33b620bb0a0e0ae838d094d8f1b0b285.htm?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

That's a real pretty Mustang GT optioned out nicely.

That may be even more boy-racer than the Supra...

I think you would be disappointed in it (aside from the raw power) after the Supra.

xwesx

breld said:

Alright - this is purely for fun...no intervention required.

But since my Supra seems to be retaining its value according to KBB, which indicates trade is a bit higher than what I paid...it's fun to think about what I could do for a reset.

And if I wanted a stick shift again...

https://www.phillongdenver.com/new/Ford/2020-Ford-Mustang-33b620bb0a0e0ae838d094d8f1b0b285.htm?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

That's a real pretty Mustang GT optioned out nicely.

I like the look of the Mustang, and this one looks nice for a Mustang!

Speaking of those, though, I saw a Mustang last night (guy had it debadged, but I suspect it was just a run-of-the-mill). It had a dealer placard in the place of the license plate, I think there was a temp tag in the rear window, but one couldn't read it due to heavy aftermarket tint, a "minority" driver with a baseball cap on sideways and leaning far back in the seat so he could barely see over the steering wheel... He passes by and I pull in behind him. Immediately, I see two large cartoonish placards on the back bumper, one on either side of the license plate bracket, that are a hand flipping the bird (akin to this).

He seems fairly sedate in his driving until we get onto the expressway, and then he just flies down the road! I thought, "well, with the attitude on display there, he is probably unwise to do anything to justify being pulled over, because a trooper isn't going to give him an inch."

I have to wonder what goes through people's minds when they do stuff like that? I mean, is it a point of pride to advertise to the world that you are obnoxious?

kyfdx

@breld I like that a lot.

qbrozen

breld said:

Alright - this is purely for fun...no intervention required.

But since my Supra seems to be retaining its value according to KBB, which indicates trade is a bit higher than what I paid...it's fun to think about what I could do for a reset.

And if I wanted a stick shift again...

https://www.phillongdenver.com/new/Ford/2020-Ford-Mustang-33b620bb0a0e0ae838d094d8f1b0b285.htm?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

That's a real pretty Mustang GT optioned out nicely.

That is an INSANE msrp. Good god. They have really increased the prices on those. I’m forgetting now what my purchase price was on the 2014. $24k, I believe.

qbrozen

Just checked. 2020 GT Premiums with under 2k miles and perfect condition are $36k at auction.

explorerx4

That Mustang has some nice options, Magne-Ride shocks, Perf Pack, active valve exhaust.

qbrozen

Here is a Bullitt
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/273975281

Michaell

qbrozen said:

Here is a Bullitt
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/273975281

I like the Bullitt.

stickguy

so do I

roadburner

28firefighter said:

Perfect time to buy a rear wheel drive sports car - when there is snow on the ground!

Or rain- that terrifies the typical idiot US vehicle operator as well.

roadburner

breld said:

Alright - this is purely for fun...no intervention required.

But since my Supra seems to be retaining its value according to KBB, which indicates trade is a bit higher than what I paid...it's fun to think about what I could do for a reset.

And if I wanted a stick shift again...

https://www.phillongdenver.com/new/Ford/2020-Ford-Mustang-33b620bb0a0e0ae838d094d8f1b0b285.htm?utm_campaign=deeplink&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=cars.com

That's a real pretty Mustang GT optioned out nicely.

For $52k I'll pay a bit more and get a CPO M2 Competition.

explorerx4

@roadburner,
If you would pay 52k for that Mustang, let your wife negotiate.

breld

Yeah, didn't think going new on a Mustang would be wise. Interesting auction values on the 2020 GT's @qbrozen - even in this crazy used market that's a lot of depreciation, as expected.

And yes, let's say a Supra owner just really wanted a stick again - an M2 would be an obvious and easy choice, wouldn't it?

@roadburner - how does your car search go?

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

@roadburner,
If you would pay 52k for that Mustang, let your wife negotiate.

Well, I wouldn't pay $42k either.
Maybe $35k.

explorerx4

So a Bmw 2 Comp is worth about 38k.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

Here is a Bullitt
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/273975281

That deep green really works on that car! The wheels are 'meh,' but I guess it's a package deal.

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

So a Bmw 2 Comp is worth about 38k.

Nope; $35k is the point where I might consider a Mustang GT that stickers at $52k.
That said, I would probably still pass- and pick up a Supra or M2 Competition for north of $50k.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

Thanks. So only about $80/month for no Costco.

Cheapest one I found is in Old Bridge. $39,440. Dark grey, so a nice color.

they have a nice bright blue one much closer to me! Looking at the credit, it says it is a POS so if it can be applied at signing, makes it even easier. and at those terms, a 1 pay is certainly the way to go.