Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

breld

qbrozen said:

This new Santa Fe they are advertising the heck out of looks REALLY nice.

Agreed. Seems like they’re trying to trickle down some elements of the hugely successful Palisade. Smart move.

Michaell

breld said:

qbrozen said:

This new Santa Fe they are advertising the heck out of looks REALLY nice.

Agreed. Seems like they’re trying to trickle down some elements of the hugely successful Palisade. Smart move.

There is a Calligraphy trim for the Santa Fe for 2021

xwesx

tifighter said:

Was gone cross country skiing over the holidays, so I finally got around to driving the Z4 for the first time in weeks yesterday. Fun, but I swear it is getting lower to the ground every time I drive it. It must be because I am getting taller, younger and better looking on every drive. Right?

Taller and younger, I might believe, but the rest is pure fancy.

mjfloyd1

stickguy said:

true on oddball used cars. not that I am willing to get involved with a V6 turbo 8 year old Audi.

It (V6) is supercharged if that changes your mind

The 2.0T four cylinder is turbocharged

ab348

Michaell said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

This new Santa Fe they are advertising the heck out of looks REALLY nice.

Agreed. Seems like they’re trying to trickle down some elements of the hugely successful Palisade. Smart move.

There is a Calligraphy trim for the Santa Fe for 2021

Celebrity pastry chef icing on a supermarket cake.

qbrozen

Michaell said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

This new Santa Fe they are advertising the heck out of looks REALLY nice.

Agreed. Seems like they’re trying to trickle down some elements of the hugely successful Palisade. Smart move.

There is a Calligraphy trim for the Santa Fe for 2021

Which is what the wife would want. It is $43k, though. OUCH! That’s like 50% over the entry price.

stickguy

mjfloyd1 said:

stickguy said:

true on oddball used cars. not that I am willing to get involved with a V6 turbo 8 year old Audi.

It (V6) is supercharged if that changes your mind

The 2.0T four cylinder is turbocharged

True. But it doesn't change my mind!

au1994

qbrozen said:

Michaell said:

breld said:

qbrozen said:

This new Santa Fe they are advertising the heck out of looks REALLY nice.

Agreed. Seems like they’re trying to trickle down some elements of the hugely successful Palisade. Smart move.

There is a Calligraphy trim for the Santa Fe for 2021

Which is what the wife would want. It is $43k, though. OUCH! That’s like 50% over the entry price.

That’s spendy for a Santa Fe and probably the same trim we would want too. Nice looking though,

stickguy

you can run a RAV4 up to $40K. And and RDX tech (with less stuff than that Hyundia) is over $44k.

graphicguy

Sandy...so very sorry to hear this. Sincerest condolences.

roadburner

I’m checking insurance premiums on a new 2021 Supra 3.0 Premium, a 2019 M2 Comp, and a wild card- a 2020 M340i.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

you can run a RAV4 up to $40K. And and RDX tech (with less stuff than that Hyundia) is over $44k.

Sure, but I'm willing to bet the resale values of those will be MUCH stronger. Could be a used Santa Fe Calligraphy will be a bargain. Time will tell.

breld

Coincidentally, I picked up my son last night after he was out on a sort-of date - they met for ice cream and ate it in her car. She had a 1st gen Santa Fe...Hyundai has come a long way.

tjc78

breld said:

Coincidentally, I picked up my son last night after he was out on a sort-of date - they met for ice cream and ate it in her car. She had a 1st gen Santa Fe...Hyundai has come a long way.

I’m so glad my kids are still very young (5 and 6). Not ready for any of that!

stickguy

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

you can run a RAV4 up to $40K. And and RDX tech (with less stuff than that Hyundia) is over $44k.

Sure, but I'm willing to bet the resale values of those will be MUCH stronger. Could be a used Santa Fe Calligraphy will be a bargain. Time will tell.

this is to replace the X1, so another lease? If so, who cares! If buying probably won't be used ones in the near future. My experience looking was that there would only be a couple of Turbos in inventory with the vast majority being the base 2.4l engine.

tjc78

I’d better dollars to donuts that a fully loaded Santa Fe leases for the same price (or more) as a modestly equipped X3 (considering BMW loyalty).

stickguy

I never seriously looked at leases on these. The wife's car was always intended to be a purchase to keep long term (a plus for the Hyundai thanks to the warranty). I did monitor Rodo for a bit. They were not super cheap, but definitely lower than an X3!

28firefighter

tjc78 said:

I’d better dollars to donuts that a fully loaded Santa Fe leases for the same price (or more) as a modestly equipped X3 (considering BMW loyalty).

Can almost guarantee it. Not that it isn't a worthy competitor, I'd just buy it if I wanted it.

tjc78

That’s the problem with not being educated about leases. I know someone paying virtually the same amount for a Camry that I’m paying for the S60.

MSRP will scare people away without knowing the details.

Mid size SUVs as a rule don’t lease well. $500 a month loaded RAV4s happen more than you realize. Would we pay that? No, but people do.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

qbrozen said:

stickguy said:

you can run a RAV4 up to $40K. And and RDX tech (with less stuff than that Hyundia) is over $44k.

Sure, but I'm willing to bet the resale values of those will be MUCH stronger. Could be a used Santa Fe Calligraphy will be a bargain. Time will tell.

this is to replace the X1, so another lease? If so, who cares! If buying probably won't be used ones in the near future. My experience looking was that there would only be a couple of Turbos in inventory with the vast majority being the base 2.4l engine.

Could be a lease, but those likely won't lease well, as others suggested. So could be buying used will be the lesser evil. We'll see. 11 mos left in the X2.

stickguy

11 months, especially in the current market environment, is a long time and impossible to guess what conditions are at that point.

qbrozen

of course.

I really should check her vroom/carvana offers again. Likely not good for us.

qbrozen

I checked. If we actually wanted out, we'd be in good shape. Buyout without tax is (I believe) $25,100. Offers are as follow:
$24,455 vroom
$24,125 carvana
$25,016 carsense
$25,100 ALgo

Unless I got a great deal on something she just couldn't pass up, no reason to jump ship for even money.

au1994

breld said:

Looking at the inventory at the place that has that manual S5...they also have this wagon.

It’s no unicorn with the automatic trannie, but still, a 60k mile E91 with the m-sport package is pretty cool.

https://www.boothmotorsllc.com/inventory/2011-bmw-3-series-328i-xdrive-wagon/308753

I like that wagon. For that miles and money, seems like a pretty decent deal.

stickguy

not if you need to buy a replacement.

I saw someone today I have not seen in a while. Last time I did was August 2019, and they had a new Telluride (one of the first around I think) that they raved about. I asked about it today (since they did not have it with them) and she said she got rid of it a few months back. Because she had moved to WFH and really did not need a large ($650?) monthly payment. So traded it in on an Optima. Probably did well on that holding it's value.

sda

$650 mo/payment?? Not from me. Did she get the new K5 or the previous Optima?

tjc78

I sure hope the $650 was a purchase.

Michaell

tjc78 said:

I sure hope the $650 was a purchase.

Probably not. I’ve seen reports of $700+ lease payments on the Telluride

corvette

That’s crazy. I think even the Pilot leases better than that, and those don’t lease well.

Michaell

corvette said:

That’s crazy. I think even the Pilot leases better than that, and those don’t lease well.

Yeah, our general response is to shop a different model.

qbrozen

Honestly can’t remember the payment my buddy wound up with on his Telluride. I want to say mid 5s with driveoffs. Definitely not good for the vehicle class, but good for that vehicle at that time.

stickguy

Not sure what it was. I assumed purchase. But, I would believe the lease payment. I think it was a loaded up model, so not cheap, and this was when they first came out and were in very short supply and really popular.

It was a prior gen Optima, not a K5. Pretty red though!

Sandman6472

Audi was fixed today, some kind of oil sensor all the way back. Cost just over $600 at my indie guy and his per hour price is less than Audi charges. Maybe this will also stop the light that shows up every so often when it's down a bit on oil. First real issue in 6 years and 60K miles so, can't complain too much. It's been flawless up to now but, if things start going south going forward, it's days will be numbered from what she said. And next time, doubt she'll go Audi again and thinking it'll either be Hyundai or Kia as she also likes the longer warranty.
New insurance bill came in today but naturally, they left off the senior driving class discount. Once I saw the increase, I knew right away that discount was left out...and right I was! It's supposed to drop the price by 10% which would be just what it should be. I took out last years policy and saw it listed there so just an error. I'll call our insurance guy tomorrow so they can include it and send out a new set of prices/deduction. Since we pay it yearly, I want it right the first time. The once a year thing is so much easier than every 6 months...pay it in one shot, and we're done.

qbrozen

Someone please explain this current bid to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-g320-power-top-cabriolet/

sda

Sandman6472 said:

Audi was fixed today, some kind of oil sensor all the way back. Cost just over $600 at my indie guy and his per hour price is less than Audi charges. Maybe this will also stop the light that shows up every so often when it's down a bit on oil. First real issue in 6 years and 60K miles so, can't complain too much. It's been flawless up to now but, if things start going south going forward, it's days will be numbered from what she said. And next time, doubt she'll go Audi again and thinking it'll either be Hyundai or Kia as she also likes the longer warranty.
New insurance bill came in today but naturally, they left off the senior driving class discount. Once I saw the increase, I knew right away that discount was left out...and right I was! It's supposed to drop the price by 10% which would be just what it should be. I took out last years policy and saw it listed there so just an error. I'll call our insurance guy tomorrow so they can include it and send out a new set of prices/deduction. Since we pay it yearly, I want it right the first time. The once a year thing is so much easier than every 6 months...pay it in one shot, and we're done.

After you’ve experienced the refinement and driving pleasure VW Audi and germanic vehicles provide overall it will hard to go back to Kia Hyundai, etc. They have improved, but you’re spoiled now.

stickguy

sda said:

Sandman6472 said:

Audi was fixed today, some kind of oil sensor all the way back. Cost just over $600 at my indie guy and his per hour price is less than Audi charges. Maybe this will also stop the light that shows up every so often when it's down a bit on oil. First real issue in 6 years and 60K miles so, can't complain too much. It's been flawless up to now but, if things start going south going forward, it's days will be numbered from what she said. And next time, doubt she'll go Audi again and thinking it'll either be Hyundai or Kia as she also likes the longer warranty.
New insurance bill came in today but naturally, they left off the senior driving class discount. Once I saw the increase, I knew right away that discount was left out...and right I was! It's supposed to drop the price by 10% which would be just what it should be. I took out last years policy and saw it listed there so just an error. I'll call our insurance guy tomorrow so they can include it and send out a new set of prices/deduction. Since we pay it yearly, I want it right the first time. The once a year thing is so much easier than every 6 months...pay it in one shot, and we're done.

After you’ve experienced the refinement and driving pleasure VW Audi and germanic vehicles provide overall it will hard to go back to Kia Hyundai, etc. They have improved, but you’re spoiled now.

Sandy might be. I highly doubt his wife would notice the difference though!

fintail

Very rare bodystyle. DeMuro owns one, so the monied cult might be into it, too. I think they look just a little off, like a Barbie G-Wagen or something. Still, if someone gave me one. I think this was a 40-50K rig just a couple years ago.

qbrozen said:

Someone please explain this current bid to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-g320-power-top-cabriolet/

stickguy

qbrozen said:

Someone please explain this current bid to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-g320-power-top-cabriolet/

Cult following? Kinda cool, and better than the big wagon version, and might be neat to drive but there are a whole lotta things I would rather have at that price point.

Sorta looks like an oversized Geo tracker...

explorerx4

That Merc looks like a Suzuki Samurai to me.
Contacting a dealer for a test drive tomorrow.
Really weird, found a couple of dealers that have rebates 2.5K over other dealers local to me.
I verified it using the Ford friends and family site(wife has a code for it).

stickguy

this is lovely. Very cool. Might get pricey.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3B0v21kz/2007-volvo-v50-t5-awd

qbrozen

Regardless of rarity on that Benz Samurai, it has 150k miles on the run-of-the-mill V6. If it was low miles, I could see some money there, but ... no ... just does not add up to me no matter what. I've seen nicer Euro G-wagons for less on these auction sites.

corvette

But it's a rare 2-door! :eyeroll:

corvette

So, who's buying this?

stickguy

Eliot Alvis' car. Just watched his video on it. Seems like fun, and you even get to be on Youtube if you buy it. Hey, might be worth an extra $50 bid to meet Hoovie and JR.

28firefighter

How did Wichita become the center of the YouTube car universe?

stickguy

cheap cost of living? Mostly Hoovie though. He seemed to spawn the movement.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Someone please explain this current bid to me.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-g320-power-top-cabriolet/

I think someone put the decimal point in the wrong place.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

So, who's buying this?

Considering what prices some of the C&B cars garner that’s not too bad of a price since that car probably stickered for twice that plus whatever crazy ADM the market would bear.

tjc78

28firefighter said:

How did Wichita become the center of the YouTube car universe?

What else are they doing out there?

kyfdx

stickguy said:

this is lovely. Very cool. Might get pricey.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3B0v21kz/2007-volvo-v50-t5-awd

And, stickshift!