Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

explorerx4

At least the right rear quarter of the Volvo is original.

greg128

Using Autotrader advanced search feature I just completed my annual search of vehicles for sale in the entire country on that platform with over 200,000 miles. The search showed around 19,000 vehicles. I then broke down the result by make. Most were trucks and SUVs especially among domestic brands. Here is what I found:

Acura: 178
Audi: 43
BMW: 89
Buick: 123
Cadillac: 145
Chevy: 3500
Chrysler: 167
Dodge: 1140
Ford: 4400
GMC: 1250
Honda: 1400
Hyundai: 176
Jeep: 450
Kia: 136
Lexus: 454
Lincoln: 91
Mazda: 117
MB: 153
Ram: 621
Subaru: 192
Toyota: 3000
VW: 90

It is obvious that for whatever reason certain makes are still marketable at those miles. Maybe those are easier and less expensive to fix, or are generally more reliable (most probable), or maybe some vehicles are not worth keeping on the road because of low resale. Or maybe some are too expensive to maintain at that mileage.

If the results are separated into 3 categories of Euro, Domestic and Asian brands as a percentage the results are::

Asian: 34% Domestic: 64% Euro: 2% (this must mean something)

stickguy

I can't believe there are 43 people in the country brave enough to buy a 200k+ mile Audi.

qbrozen

@stickguy said:
I like that style Volvo. and the 2 tone seats.

that one had a hard life. Though the description of the fatal accident (3rd of 3) did not sound like something that would lead to a total (who totals their car backing into a parked car?) with only moderate damage reported. Wonder if it being in the middle of Covid times (parts, etc.) had anything to do with it? But at this point probably the only original paint is on the roof!

I thought that, too, but figure it was probably a matter of the value from the past incidents and/or there was still unrepaired damage from before. Add it all up and it wasn’t worth it.

Asking price is NUTS given its history.

mjfloyd1

qbrozen said:

@stickguy said:

I like that style Volvo. and the 2 tone seats.

that one had a hard life. Though the description of the fatal accident (3rd of 3) did not sound like something that would lead to a total (who totals their car backing into a parked car?) with only moderate damage reported. Wonder if it being in the middle of Covid times (parts, etc.) had anything to do with it? But at this point probably the only original paint is on the roof!

I thought that, too, but figure it was probably a matter of the value from the past incidents and/or there was still unrepaired damage from before. Add it all up and it wasn’t worth it.

Asking price is NUTS given its history.

Whaddya mean? It is a 1 of 1 handcrafted masterpiece. They know what they got

breld

Wife’s adventures are going smoothly. She says this small town dealership is “lovely.”

ab348

At least the Torch Red on that Corvette is a proper sporty-car red. Yesterday a few of us were looking at the delivery day line webcams from the Bowling Green plant and a bunch of them were in a metallic red paint that to my eye looked rather washed-out in the pics.

28firefighter

Okay. I kind of love that color.

tjc78

28firefighter said:

Okay. I kind of love that color.

+1

Michaell

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

stickguy

Should get a Maverick instead. Very roomy front seat!

stickguy

I do love that color though.

explorerx4

That's Cactus Gray. Looks great on the Bronco's, not so much on a Ranger.

stickguy

That and Area 51 are popular on the Maverick. I think it’s a little light but does look better in Person.

xwesx

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

That green is quite nice. It would look fabulous with a saddle or light-tone brown interior.

Michaell

xwesx said:

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

That green is quite nice. It would look fabulous with a saddle or light-tone brown interior.

Genesis offers a "Vanilla" colored option for the interior, along with the black.

Having a green over tan Outback, I'd like to try something different next time.

breld

The next pic I got from my wife on her trip was one of her and my son at a pizza joint near his college in Naperville, IL.

Don’t know if she had planned that, but I certainly wasn’t in on it, and my son was pleasantly surprised with the visit from his stepmom. That’s a great woman, I have to say.

breld

I was VERY impressed with that GV70 that @michaell drove. I remember this from my test drives of the GV80…the base 4 cylinder beats out the base engines in the X3/GLE/Q5, IMO. Get to the turbo 6 cylinders and I imagine it’s a different story, but at 300 hp, Genesis has a great entry level engine in its SUVs.

The ride and comfort is spot on for a luxury vehicle. And the design, both exterior and interior, really stands out from the crowd. At $47k for this mid-level trim, it’s a great package.

explorerx4

The MKZ has a fun Carfax over about 12k miles.
https://www.ganleylincolnohio.com/certified/Lincoln/2020-Lincoln-MKZ-Middleburg-Heights-OH-94405fb20a0e09a819bcec8447b7e792.htm

mjfloyd1

What’s damage to the passenger front and side followed by hitting a vehicle and stop sign post on the driver’s side??

Clearly the Lincoln dealer knows what he’s got

explorerx4

@mjfloyd1,
The 'hitting a sign post' with only left side damage caught my eye. Plus roof damage.

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

Your buddy excursions reminded me of the time I went with my buddy to look at a used Mustang. For some reason the salesman acted like we were a couple.

Have you ever had any questions along those lines?

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

The MKZ has a fun Carfax over about 12k miles.
https://www.ganleylincolnohio.com/certified/Lincoln/2020-Lincoln-MKZ-Middleburg-Heights-OH-94405fb20a0e09a819bcec8447b7e792.htm

They crashed it but gave regular oil changes. How do you get damage to the roof?

corvette

@breld - congrats on the punch. Makes me glad I picked Cactus Grey for the Maverick. I also think it may clash a bit with the silver steel wheels on the Maverick XL, so I might try to paint or plasti-dip them in black.

mjfloyd1

That happened to a Ferrari here. He ran into the top sign post and the stop sign came down on the roof leaving a hole. Awkward

Michaell

@oldfarmer50 - I don’t believe that has ever happened to us.

tjc78

I miss going car shopping with my Stepdad. He was a piece of work at the car dealer! An old school grinder.

qbrozen

@explorerx4 said:
The MKZ has a fun Carfax over about 12k miles.
https://www.ganleylincolnohio.com/certified/Lincoln/2020-Lincoln-MKZ-Middleburg-Heights-OH-94405fb20a0e09a819bcec8447b7e792.htm

The real kicker is that they then CPO’d it!

henryn

I saw my first Bronco Sport on the road today. A 4 door, in that Area 51 color. I drove right next to it for several blocks, in town, at a fairly slow speed so I got a good look. Two impressions, it's smaller than I imagined it would be from the pictures. And that color would take a bit of getting used to.

I still have not laid eyes on a Maverick.

stickguy

the sport is basically a squared off Escape. I think that design tends to look bigger in pictures. Though the big Bronco looks much bigger in person, so maybe I have that backward!

tifighter

@Michaell said:
Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

So, can I come down to Denver some weekend and cruise car lots with you guys? This sounds fun, and 28firefighter only likes 2004 TL’s and Jeeps. And Fin moved to Spokane and I don’t only want to test drive MB’s and trucks.

tifighter

Just kidding WA guys…

jmonroe1

tifighter said:

Just kidding WA guys…

Sounded pretty serious to me. I don’t blame you.

jmonroe

28firefighter

@tifighter said:
Just kidding WA guys…

Im not proud of this particular juncture in my car shopping journey.

breld

Alright, this used market is really getting out of hand now…

https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2015-subaru-wrx-4dr-sdn-man/7447863127.html

28firefighter

I’ve been toying with picking up a Model Y. I’ve temporarily disabled the discord drop notifications to save myself.

qbrozen

@breld said:
Alright, this used market is really getting out of hand now…

https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2015-subaru-wrx-4dr-sdn-man/7447863127.html

Now you know why I bought a new one. I’m LOADED

qbrozen

@28firefighter said:

Im not proud of this particular juncture in my car shopping journey.

Buck up, little camper.
Don’t let anyone car shame you.

28firefighter

@qbrozen said:

@breld said:
Alright, this used market is really getting out of hand now…

https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2015-subaru-wrx-4dr-sdn-man/7447863127.html

Now you know why I bought a new one. I’m LOADED

Loaded full of what?

graphicguy

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.

graphicguy

jmonroe1 said:

stickguy said:

so, anybody tired of waiting for their order, and want to jump the line? I am afraid to ask what the MSRP on this one was.

I do love the colors. Lots of red but it works here.

https://www.royalmotorsnj.com/details-2022-chevrolet-corvette-2dr_stingray_coupe_w_2lt-used-1g1yb2d4xn5101295.html

Our poster buddy @graphicguy is probably drooling on his keyboard right now.

jmonroe

Appreciate you keeping an eye out for me. What are your loan terms?

Michaell

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.

I’ll have to find one, first. The price delta is approximately $10k.

fintail

On that note, the local MB dealer has a whopping 9 new vehicles in stock right now (notice I didn't say cars): 4 GLE (one a GLE53 "coupe" with a 104K MSRP - waiting for an overmonied Californicator invader I suppose), 3 GLC, a GLB, and a Sprinter. Nothing else new.

tifighter said:

@Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

So, can I come down to Denver some weekend and cruise car lots with you guys? This sounds fun, and 28firefighter only likes 2004 TL’s and Jeeps. And Fin moved to Spokane and I don’t only want to test drive MB’s and trucks.

fintail

Cooler from the rear, Porsche 928 anyone?

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.

Michaell

The side profile of the GV70 reminds me of the first gen Infiniti FX

carnaught

The front of the GV70 and most Genesis’ have quite a maw, but somewhat more tasteful than the spindle-shaped Lexus grills.

roadburner

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

Last week I saw a GV70 in that exact color in the Sheriff's out-of-state inspection spot. Very attractive.

Michaell

One other thing - those are 19” wheels, but there is still plenty of sidewall. Makes the ride pretty compliant.

ab348

Plus, as we know from Tiger Woods one year ago, they can take a high-speed crash and protect the occupant.

mjfloyd1

Is the GV 70 rated as good as the GV 80 that Tiger Woods was driving?