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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,725
    At least the right rear quarter of the Volvo is original.
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  • greg128greg128 Member Posts: 546
    edited February 2022
    Using Autotrader advanced search feature I just completed my annual search of vehicles for sale in the entire country on that platform with over 200,000 miles. The search showed around 19,000 vehicles. I then broke down the result by make. Most were trucks and SUVs especially among domestic brands. Here is what I found:

    Acura: 178
    Audi: 43
    BMW: 89
    Buick: 123
    Cadillac: 145
    Chevy: 3500
    Chrysler: 167
    Dodge: 1140
    Ford: 4400
    GMC: 1250
    Honda: 1400
    Hyundai: 176
    Jeep: 450
    Kia: 136
    Lexus: 454
    Lincoln: 91
    Mazda: 117
    MB: 153
    Ram: 621
    Subaru: 192
    Toyota: 3000
    VW: 90

    It is obvious that for whatever reason certain makes are still marketable at those miles. Maybe those are easier and less expensive to fix, or are generally more reliable (most probable), or maybe some vehicles are not worth keeping on the road because of low resale. Or maybe some are too expensive to maintain at that mileage.

    If the results are separated into 3 categories of Euro, Domestic and Asian brands as a percentage the results are::

    Asian: 34% Domestic: 64% Euro: 2% (this must mean something)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381
    I can't believe there are 43 people in the country brave enough to buy a 200k+ mile Audi.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

    @stickguy said:
    I like that style Volvo. and the 2 tone seats.

    that one had a hard life. Though the description of the fatal accident (3rd of 3) did not sound like something that would lead to a total (who totals their car backing into a parked car?) with only moderate damage reported. Wonder if it being in the middle of Covid times (parts, etc.) had anything to do with it? But at this point probably the only original paint is on the roof!

    I thought that, too, but figure it was probably a matter of the value from the past incidents and/or there was still unrepaired damage from before. Add it all up and it wasn’t worth it.

    Asking price is NUTS given its history.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    qbrozen said:

    @stickguy said:

    I like that style Volvo. and the 2 tone seats.

    that one had a hard life. Though the description of the fatal accident (3rd of 3) did not sound like something that would lead to a total (who totals their car backing into a parked car?) with only moderate damage reported. Wonder if it being in the middle of Covid times (parts, etc.) had anything to do with it? But at this point probably the only original paint is on the roof!

    I thought that, too, but figure it was probably a matter of the value from the past incidents and/or there was still unrepaired damage from before. Add it all up and it wasn’t worth it.

    Asking price is NUTS given its history.


    Whaddya mean? It is a 1 of 1 handcrafted masterpiece. They know what they got :)
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,292
    At least the Torch Red on that Corvette is a proper sporty-car red. Yesterday a few of us were looking at the delivery day line webcams from the Bowling Green plant and a bunch of them were in a metallic red paint that to my eye looked rather washed-out in the pics.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,973

    Okay. I kind of love that color.

    +1

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    Should get a Maverick instead. Very roomy front seat!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    I do love that color though.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,725
    That's Cactus Gray. Looks great on the Bronco's, not so much on a Ranger.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    That and Area 51 are popular on the Maverick. I think it’s a little light but does look better in Person.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,689
    edited February 2022
    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    That green is quite nice. It would look fabulous with a saddle or light-tone brown interior.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,457
    xwesx said:

    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    That green is quite nice. It would look fabulous with a saddle or light-tone brown interior.

    Genesis offers a "Vanilla" colored option for the interior, along with the black.

    Having a green over tan Outback, I'd like to try something different next time.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922
    I was VERY impressed with that GV70 that @michaell drove. I remember this from my test drives of the GV80…the base 4 cylinder beats out the base engines in the X3/GLE/Q5, IMO. Get to the turbo 6 cylinders and I imagine it’s a different story, but at 300 hp, Genesis has a great entry level engine in its SUVs.

    The ride and comfort is spot on for a luxury vehicle. And the design, both exterior and interior, really stands out from the crowd. At $47k for this mid-level trim, it’s a great package.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,725
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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    edited February 2022

    What’s damage to the passenger front and side followed by hitting a vehicle and stop sign post on the driver’s side?? :)

    Clearly the Lincoln dealer knows what he’s got :)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,725
    edited February 2022
    @mjfloyd1,
    The 'hitting a sign post' with only left side damage caught my eye. Plus roof damage.
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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,217
    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.


    Your buddy excursions reminded me of the time I went with my buddy to look at a used Mustang. For some reason the salesman acted like we were a couple.

    Have you ever had any questions along those lines?

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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,217
    They crashed it but gave regular oil changes. How do you get damage to the roof?

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,296
    @breld - congrats on the punch. Makes me glad I picked Cactus Grey for the Maverick. I also think it may clash a bit with the silver steel wheels on the Maverick XL, so I might try to paint or plasti-dip them in black.
  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806
    That happened to a Ferrari here. He ran into the top sign post and the stop sign came down on the roof leaving a hole. Awkward
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,457
    @oldfarmer50 - I don’t believe that has ever happened to us.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,973

    I miss going car shopping with my Stepdad. He was a piece of work at the car dealer! An old school grinder.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

    The real kicker is that they then CPO’d it!

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  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    I saw my first Bronco Sport on the road today. A 4 door, in that Area 51 color. I drove right next to it for several blocks, in town, at a fairly slow speed so I got a good look. Two impressions, it's smaller than I imagined it would be from the pictures. And that color would take a bit of getting used to.

    I still have not laid eyes on a Maverick.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381
    the sport is basically a squared off Escape. I think that design tends to look bigger in pictures. Though the big Bronco looks much bigger in person, so maybe I have that backward!

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786

    @Michaell said:
    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

    So, can I come down to Denver some weekend and cruise car lots with you guys? This sounds fun, and 28firefighter only likes 2004 TL’s and Jeeps. And Fin moved to Spokane and I don’t only want to test drive MB’s and trucks.

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786

    Just kidding WA guys…

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  • jmonroe1jmonroe1 Member Posts: 9,339
    tifighter said:

    Just kidding WA guys…

    Sounded pretty serious to me. I don’t blame you.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,832

    @tifighter said:
    Just kidding WA guys…

    Im not proud of this particular juncture in my car shopping journey.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922
    Alright, this used market is really getting out of hand now…

    https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2015-subaru-wrx-4dr-sdn-man/7447863127.html

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

    @28firefighter said:

    Im not proud of this particular juncture in my car shopping journey.

    Buck up, little camper.
    Don’t let anyone car shame you.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,832

    @qbrozen said:

    @breld said:
    Alright, this used market is really getting out of hand now…

    https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/denver-2015-subaru-wrx-4dr-sdn-man/7447863127.html

    Now you know why I bought a new one. I’m LOADED

    Loaded full of what?

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123
    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.


    I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.
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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123
    jmonroe1 said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anybody tired of waiting for their order, and want to jump the line? I am afraid to ask what the MSRP on this one was.

    I do love the colors. Lots of red but it works here.

    https://www.royalmotorsnj.com/details-2022-chevrolet-corvette-2dr_stingray_coupe_w_2lt-used-1g1yb2d4xn5101295.html

    Our poster buddy @graphicguy is probably drooling on his keyboard right now.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,457

    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.


    I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.
    I’ll have to find one, first. The price delta is approximately $10k.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    On that note, the local MB dealer has a whopping 9 new vehicles in stock right now (notice I didn't say cars): 4 GLE (one a GLE53 "coupe" with a 104K MSRP - waiting for an overmonied Californicator invader I suppose), 3 GLC, a GLB, and a Sprinter. Nothing else new.
    tifighter said:

    @Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.

    So, can I come down to Denver some weekend and cruise car lots with you guys? This sounds fun, and 28firefighter only likes 2004 TL’s and Jeeps. And Fin moved to Spokane and I don’t only want to test drive MB’s and trucks.


  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429
    Cooler from the rear, Porsche 928 anyone?

    image

    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.


    I’m sure it’s nice. But, do yourself a favor and drive the V6 Turbo and tell us what you think in comparison. That’s just a really sweetheart of an engine.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,457
    The side profile of the GV70 reminds me of the first gen Infiniti FX

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  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,576
    The front of the GV70 and most Genesis’ have quite a maw, but somewhat more tasteful than the spindle-shaped Lexus grills.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    Michaell said:

    Met up with @breld for breakfast this morning (where he posted the pix of the wifes' new Bronco), and decided to hit the local Genesis lot afterward.

    Found a GV70 available, so we took it for a test drive. 2.5T, Select package, Cardiff Green over black pleather.

    I had my heart set on the 3.5T (375 HP), but it turns out the 300HP in the 2.5T is more than enough. We were able to take a long-ish test drive that included interstate, some back roads and some city driving. @breld was able to switch between Comfort and Sport modes and the car was quite responsive in both. Plenty of room for my XXL-sized body, and the seats were comfortable (heated and ventilated seats available with the Select package). Pano sunroof available, and the tech was pretty nice - before we left, the salesman used the voice controls to lower the passenger window.

    I did struggle with the lane watch and lane keep nannies, but I'm sure they can be defeated.

    Once I got comfortable in the front seat, I found not a lot of legroom in the back seat (not that it matters, usually only 1 or 2 of us in the car). Plenty of shoulder room - for some reason, this is something I notice in a lot of cars, specifically the X3 M40i I drove a couple of weeks ago.

    Overall a really nice package, and priced at $47K as equipped, a pretty great deal compared to the 4-cyl versions of the X3, Q5 or GLC.


    Last week I saw a GV70 in that exact color in the Sheriff's out-of-state inspection spot. Very attractive.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,457
    One other thing - those are 19” wheels, but there is still plenty of sidewall. Makes the ride pretty compliant.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,292
    Plus, as we know from Tiger Woods one year ago, they can take a high-speed crash and protect the occupant.

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  • mjfloyd1mjfloyd1 Member Posts: 3,806

    Is the GV 70 rated as good as the GV 80 that Tiger Woods was driving?

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