I don’t know what the current PP involves but my Mustang runs just fine on 91 octane even with the new tune. Previously it ran fine on 87 octane.
Doesn’t the new Z have a computer that adjusts the timing? I haven’t heard of a car that actually knocked due to octane in the last 20 years.
I'm sure in normal driving, it would be fine. Magazine tests are far from normal driving. Since I would never track a car on 91, I really have no idea what it would do. Keep in mind, it could be they were testing a mule that was programmed differently than a production car would be. I'm sure you've seen, especially for turbo cars, you can get tunes that REQUIRE 93 octane and people do report issues, such as knock, if they run less, and I believe the tuners even warn against possible engine damage. It also seems odd to me they'd report knock but not get a CEL. So a couple of "fishy" clues there that something was up with that test car.
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If your wife likes and maybe even looks forward to how the bolster hugs her when she’s driving for relatively short periods of time when she’s in the car, you ain’t doing enough of that when she’s not in the car.
jmonroe
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Our Volvos require 91. My mom used our XC90 and the tank was pretty low. She put in 87, I swear it felt a little sluggish but didn’t knock and ran fine.
@jmonroe1 said:
My 2 cents on this bolster thingy:
If your wife likes and maybe even looks forward to how the bolster hugs her when she’s driving for relatively short periods of time when she’s in the car, you ain’t doing enough of that when she’s not in the car.
jmonroe
Well that took a straight left turn to awkwardville.
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@jmonroe1 said:
My 2 cents on this bolster thingy:
If your wife likes and maybe even looks forward to how the bolster hugs her when she’s driving for relatively short periods of time when she’s in the car, you ain’t doing enough of that when she’s not in the car.
No thanks. I think I've scratched that itch at this point.
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Well, after all the work you’ve done and still have to do on your Audi engine, I’d be surprised you’d ever want to say the word Audi again let alone get another one.
jmonroe
Sometimes tackling a difficult job, and successfully getting it done, can give you a real sense of accomplishment. And that sense of accomplishment can spill over on to the object you were working on, making you feel more attached, making you view it more favorably.
Not always, but sometimes.
As long as something else significant doesn't break every 3 or 4 months continually.
55,555 miles in the TTS. 49,xxx miles in the S4.
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No thanks. I think I've scratched that itch at this point.
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Well, after all the work you’ve done and still have to do on your Audi engine, I’d be surprised you’d ever want to say the word Audi again let alone get another one.
jmonroe
Sometimes tackling a difficult job, and successfully getting it done, can give you a real sense of accomplishment. And that sense of accomplishment can spill over on to the object you were working on, making you feel more attached, making you view it more favorably.
Not always, but sometimes.
As long as something else significant doesn't break every 3 or 4 months continually.
55,555 miles in the TTS. 49,xxx miles in the S4.
'18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
If your wife likes and maybe even looks forward to how the bolster hugs her when she’s driving for relatively short periods of time when she’s in the car, you ain’t doing enough of that when she’s not in the car.
jmonroe
Well that took a straight left turn to awkwardville.
———————————————— Only when you try to make it awkward. Read my post again, I was talking about “hugging” your wife.
To keep this car related when you turn that’s on you.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
No thanks. I think I've scratched that itch at this point.
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Well, after all the work you’ve done and still have to do on your Audi engine, I’d be surprised you’d ever want to say the word Audi again let alone get another one.
jmonroe
Sometimes tackling a difficult job, and successfully getting it done, can give you a real sense of accomplishment. And that sense of accomplishment can spill over on to the object you were working on, making you feel more attached, making you view it more favorably.
Not always, but sometimes.
As long as something else significant doesn't break every 3 or 4 months continually.
55,555 miles in the TTS. 49,xxx miles in the S4. ————————————————- You gotta learn that you don’t have to double clutch when posting.
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Looks like a fair option load, I see distronic, pano, leather, surround view. Might be interesting to see what else it has, go to a vin decoder (I am too lazy)
2020 E450 wagon. Only 10k miles with an original MSRP of $82,610 (the sticker was in the glove compartment). Seems well equipped.
Asking $68k. Last year of the “real” wagon without the all road treatment.
Seems to be priced fair compared to KBB trade, but what does that mean these days?
Per the window sticker:
Macchiato Beige/Black Leather 19” AMG Twin 5-Spoke Wheels Illuminated Door Sills Heated and Ventilated Front Seats Panorama Sunroof Active Multicontour Front Seats w/Massage Black Headliner 3-zone Climate Control Lowered Suspension w/Selective Damping Soft-close doors LED Logo Projectors Driver Assistance Package Parking Assistance Package Exterior Lighting Package Warmth and Comfort Package AMG Line Exterior Premium Package
My wife’s favorite feature…the bolsters that adjust and “hug” you when you turn. 😀
I do like their Warmth and Comfort package. When I was looking at the coupes and cabs, ahem, that package was pretty rare.
I don’t know what the current PP involves but my Mustang runs just fine on 91 octane even with the new tune. Previously it ran fine on 87 octane.
Doesn’t the new Z have a computer that adjusts the timing? I haven’t heard of a car that actually knocked due to octane in the last 20 years.
I'm sure in normal driving, it would be fine. Magazine tests are far from normal driving. Since I would never track a car on 91, I really have no idea what it would do. Keep in mind, it could be they were testing a mule that was programmed differently than a production car would be. I'm sure you've seen, especially for turbo cars, you can get tunes that REQUIRE 93 octane and people do report issues, such as knock, if they run less, and I believe the tuners even warn against possible engine damage. It also seems odd to me they'd report knock but not get a CEL. So a couple of "fishy" clues there that something was up with that test car.
It isn't always a matter of "requires" 93 octane, but in some cases appreciably better performance can be achieved. Car and Driver did some testing on this a few years back. Mostly it didn't make a big difference, but on an F150 with the twin turbo ecoboost engine, the 1/4 mile times improved by a full half second. Which is a significant improvement.
the quarter-mile stretched from 14.0 to 14.5 seconds, with trap speed falling 4 mph. Tapped into the Ford's CAN bus, we recorded a peak boost pressure roughly 1.9 psi lower during acceleration runs on regular gas, down more than 10 percent compared with the 18.1-psi peak on premium. The high-octane gas also helped when soft-pedaling the accelerator, elevating 75-mph fuel economy from 17.0 to 17.6 mpg. That won't make a financial case for running 93 octane, but then you didn't buy the expensive engine as a rational choice. You can think of this EcoBoost engine's more aggressive high-octane tune as a sort-of sport mode that can be switched on or off with every fill of its 36.0-gallon tank.
LOL on the hugging comments. I had some responses but we'll just move on.
We pick up our Rivian in about an hour. Everything seems to be in order in advance, so here's hoping to an efficient process. They offered a good trade on the M340i and since that is being replaced one way or another, we figured we'd take the trade and run.
So for the M340i replacement...after all the musings yesterday, I believe she is back on to the M440i that she special ordered. The E450 wagons are still in the running though. The problem with the Macan is that it's priced just below original MSRP. I know that's not terribly unusual these days, but we're kinda struggling with that concept. If it was a 2022, I'd be more comfortable with it, but for a 2021 not so sure, particularly with the updates they made for 2022.
But who knows...these things can change at a moment's notice.
Looks like a fair option load, I see distronic, pano, leather, surround view. Might be interesting to see what else it has, go to a vin decoder (I am too lazy)
2020 E450 wagon. Only 10k miles with an original MSRP of $82,610 (the sticker was in the glove compartment). Seems well equipped.
Asking $68k. Last year of the “real” wagon without the all road treatment.
Seems to be priced fair compared to KBB trade, but what does that mean these days?
Per the window sticker:
Macchiato Beige/Black Leather 19” AMG Twin 5-Spoke Wheels Illuminated Door Sills Heated and Ventilated Front Seats Panorama Sunroof Active Multicontour Front Seats w/Massage Black Headliner 3-zone Climate Control Lowered Suspension w/Selective Damping Soft-close doors LED Logo Projectors Driver Assistance Package Parking Assistance Package Exterior Lighting Package Warmth and Comfort Package AMG Line Exterior Premium Package
My wife’s favorite feature…the bolsters that adjust and “hug” you when you turn. 😀
I do like their Warmth and Comfort package. When I was looking at the coupes and cabs, ahem, that package was pretty rare.
I have it on my car. Heated steering wheel becomes an enjoyable luxury, and I enjoy the heated console lid, as I often rest my arm there. On a cold day here, these along with the heated door armrest make it a cozy environment.
Sure is tempting...that night blue is the color she had always wanted.
That's the next car on my wife's list. But, I doubt she'd be happy with black interior, after having her current combo (metallic white over saddle brown)
LOL on the hugging comments. I had some responses but we'll just move on.
We pick up our Rivian in about an hour. Everything seems to be in order in advance, so here's hoping to an efficient process. They offered a good trade on the M340i and since that is being replaced one way or another, we figured we'd take the trade and run.
So for the M340i replacement...after all the musings yesterday, I believe she is back on to the M440i that she special ordered. The E450 wagons are still in the running though. The problem with the Macan is that it's priced just below original MSRP. I know that's not terribly unusual these days, but we're kinda struggling with that concept. If it was a 2022, I'd be more comfortable with it, but for a 2021 not so sure, particularly with the updates they made for 2022.
But who knows...these things can change at a moment's notice.
Well, at least you know the Rivian will fit in the garage.
Really really nice, @breld ! How long before it goes on cars and bids - too much profit to leave on the table there.
My plan is to actually use it as my primary driver for a little while to see how much I like it and whether it could be the large utility vehicle in the fleet, replacing the X5.
On the way home, my wife and I decided she's gonna try out the X5 as her primary for a while to see if she'd like to take it over and be her all-in-one.
So...we'll see. But yes, the potential profit is tempting. Though the auctions have settled quite a bit lately...I suspect over time they may simply reflect current MSRP, perhaps with a modest premium. And that's still a decent profit compared to the pre-March 2022 pricing.
@breld, That's a tough one. Call a glass company right away just in case they can stop it from spreading. Yours is a very nice color combination. ...and how were behind anyone with 800+ HP?
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You would not know it from a test drive, but it's far heavier than an F-150. Despite the weight, I think the exterior dimensions are somewhere in between a Ranger and F-150.
@breld - congrats, looks like you might need to install a second charger in the garage! That stinks about the windshield.
How difficult is it to source parts for repairs (mechanically)? That’s ignoring body work…
good question. I personally would have held out for a 2Jz since that was sold here. The 1jz never was. Could some parts be shared? Beats me. Possibly. Probably. I wouldn't want to be the one to find out AFTER buying it.
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Wow; that is one homely car (the 1JZ), done up in true Toyota "wagon" style! They were always really good at taking a sedan, slapping a cap on it to make it a wagon, giving it a big of the ol' ugly treatment, and sending it on out the door....
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@qbrozen said:
good question. I personally would have held out for a 2Jz since that was sold here. The 1jz never was. Could some parts be shared? Beats me. Possibly. Probably. I wouldn't want to be the one to find out AFTER buying it.
@qbrozen - did you get the pulley modified to work on your crown?
Wow; that is one homely car (the 1JZ), done up in true Toyota "wagon" style! They were always really good at taking a sedan, slapping a cap on it to make it a wagon, giving it a big of the ol' ugly treatment, and sending it on out the door....
I thought that was the very definition of a station wagon. Not necessarily the "ugly treatment", but "take a 4 door sedan and slap a cap on the rear end".
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If your wife likes and maybe even looks forward to how the bolster hugs her when she’s driving for relatively short periods of time when she’s in the car, you ain’t doing enough of that when she’s not in the car.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Our Volvos require 91. My mom used our XC90 and the tank was pretty low. She put in 87, I swear it felt a little sluggish but didn’t knock and ran fine.
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Well that took a straight left turn to awkwardville.
Hey now! We strive for a “G” rating in here.
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Not always, but sometimes.
As long as something else significant doesn't break every 3 or 4 months continually.
55,555 miles in the TTS.
49,xxx miles in the S4.
Not always, but sometimes.
As long as something else significant doesn't break every 3 or 4 months continually.
55,555 miles in the TTS.
49,xxx miles in the S4.
Looks like a good time to flip the Mav.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/dealer-marks-up-2022-ford-maverick-by-nearly-22k-the-price-of-another-maverick-updated/ar-AAZMIVS?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=2bc649fc40e34510b88cfea4834f5c72
Well that took a straight left turn to awkwardville.
————————————————Only when you try to make it awkward. Read my post again, I was talking about “hugging” your wife.
To keep this car related when you turn that’s on you.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
55,555 miles in the TTS.
49,xxx miles in the S4.
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You gotta learn that you don’t have to double clutch when posting.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
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All the cars in the Enterprise fleet run on 87 octane. Would some of them get a bit more power on 91 or 93? Probably.
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We pick up our Rivian in about an hour. Everything seems to be in order in advance, so here's hoping to an efficient process. They offered a good trade on the M340i and since that is being replaced one way or another, we figured we'd take the trade and run.
So for the M340i replacement...after all the musings yesterday, I believe she is back on to the M440i that she special ordered. The E450 wagons are still in the running though. The problem with the Macan is that it's priced just below original MSRP. I know that's not terribly unusual these days, but we're kinda struggling with that concept. If it was a 2022, I'd be more comfortable with it, but for a 2021 not so sure, particularly with the updates they made for 2022.
But who knows...these things can change at a moment's notice.
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Sure is tempting...that night blue is the color she had always wanted.
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On the way home, my wife and I decided she's gonna try out the X5 as her primary for a while to see if she'd like to take it over and be her all-in-one.
So...we'll see. But yes, the potential profit is tempting. Though the auctions have settled quite a bit lately...I suspect over time they may simply reflect current MSRP, perhaps with a modest premium. And that's still a decent profit compared to the pre-March 2022 pricing.
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That's a tough one.
Call a glass company right away just in case they can stop it from spreading.
Yours is a very nice color combination.
...and how were behind anyone with 800+ HP?
And the GoAT is at it again. Congrats. Love the color
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@breld - congrats, looks like you might need to install a second charger in the garage! That stinks about the windshield.
Love the color. Still can’t come to terms with the front end though.
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Another case of what’s old is new again.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Serious question, best answered by Q, probably. Someone buys this car: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/bellevue-1994-toyota-crown-royal-wagon/7512256946.html
How difficult is it to source parts for repairs (mechanically)? That’s ignoring body work…
Someone will find that wagon attractive. I am not that person 🤣👍
Ignore the front end. The business end is the back where the inflatable kayaks go.
At least it doesn’t need paintwork. I’d much rather have to replace the windshield.
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@qbrozen - did you get the pulley modified to work on your crown?
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