Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

Sandman6472

Curious as to why you sold the newer Wrangler and not sold the 2022 model? Do like the color of the 2022 better though. Have driven many of them at work and personally, just not a fan of they way they drive. The concensus at work seem to agree with me...the ride is just too rough for everyday driving. I prefer the 2-door version like the one I saw yesterday being rented at the rental center.
Got to drive a 2021 BMW 330i at work yesterday and enjoyed it. Took me a few minutes to get the audio and a/c working correctly but was impressed with the acceleration when needed and the overall ergonomics of the interior. Would I want to own one? Doubtful but, if I did, I'd get a Mini Cooper instead because they're the perfect size for my needs.
Lastly, passed a new Chevy Bolt in the ice blue color I was about to put a deposit down on & really liked the color and it really is the perfect size. Am thinking of waiting till production of the 2024 model starts to finally pull the trigger. Especially if the free home charger installation is still offered, just makes total sense for us to do it. My driving situation is really perfect for this vehicle as I don't drive much anymore, fill up maybe once every 4 weeks & have finally come to terms with the 200 mile range of the smaller of the to Bolt's offered. From my figures, I'm doing not even 300 miles/month at present so even charging at home once a week would be plenty. Figure that as long as a family has one gasser for the longer trips and one EV, it could definitely work out pretty nicely. I'm in no hurry to get one right now, I'd be happy to get it for a birthday present next early November, in no hurry here. And hopefully, the rates for car loans will go down a bit as I'm going to have to finance any new vehicle I get as do not want to mess with the portfolio in these cray times.
But yes, I'm, about ready to put a deposit down on a Bolt!

laurasdada

Her new X3. Not nearly as imposing as Ray's phantom menace, but she loves it!
I like the wheels.

I drove it to the Cape today. Nice ride, cool tech. But, I'm still just not an SUV guy.

Sandman6472

Take the Accent in for it's last gratis oil change at the Miami dealer on Monday. When we bought it, the current program was not offered but they gave my kid three free oil changes just to seal the deal, as they weren't making much on this unit...or so they said. Called the local store across the street and they wouldn't honor it for some reason so off to North Miami I go Monday right after lunch to get 'er done. My daughter no longer lives in South Miami anymore since she transferred to Boca Raton earlier this year for work, a good thing, so no more driving an hour to Kendall to visit.
And also about time to do the song & dance with Sirius/XM to renew the service. Considering I've got close to 1000 songs in my personal music file, don't really need to continue the service but if they'll give it to me for the same price as I've currently got, why not. So come Monday, I'll see what I can do. And if not, I'll be fine without it.

Michaell

The first Colorado CCBA longroof meeting was held this afternoon. I had the chance to drive the MB that @breld picked up not long ago. That thing is fast … and quiet.

The V60 is much lower to the ground than I expected.

rayains

"... I'm still just not an SUV guy. "
- laurasdada
I was a bit unsure if I was / could be...
So far, I actually like it better than the M340i.
- Ray
Life is full of surprises - even at my age !

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

nyccarguy said:

@Michaell said:

I can tell you’ve never played The Price is Right.

@stickguy is “the guy” who bets $1 - and wins

Speaking of winning, the PowerBall for tomorrow is $1.5 BILLION. I have two tickets, one of which is the winner so don’t waste your money.

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Would you mind giving an old poster buddy the other one? Second place is good enough for me at my age.

jmonroe

I’ll tell you what I told my buddies at work: If I win the $1.5 Billion, I will buy each and every one of you a cup of coffee, any size you like…guaranteed!😂

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Gee, I guess $1.5 Billion doesn’t buy as much as it used to.

jmonroe

I did say any size, right?🤑🤑🤑

stickguy

Looks like Breld came real close to curbing that wheel! and of course, seems appropriate his car is running a temp tag.

At this point I think the hate is more tradition than anything. Plus an X3 or RDX is really a car, not what I would consider an "SUV". that would be a Tahoe or Durango. Fine to hate driving those!

my RDX drives just like a taller TLX, with a more comfortable driving position and ease of entry! so mostly a raised station wagon.

if you just prefer a separate trunk, I can see not liking a CUV. but it seems odd to like station wagons but be anti CUV. Or you can just get an Outback, so nobody will ever agree which one it is!

laurasdada

Although I am ancient, Ray, perhaps a few more rings around my middle will have me appreciating the bus driver view and ease of entry/exit from an SUV. But, I'm not there yet. Perhaps I'm tainted by the ex's '02 Lexus RX300 and its lethargic performance, Titanic turning radius and similar rough water handling.
Even the now sold to CarMax CX-5 didn't move my SUV needle too much.
I'm an old dog.

Sandy, I was able to renew SXM at $5.99/mo, with assorted mystery fees, I think the gross in ~$7.25.

xwesx

From a towing perspective, my Q7 is a great truck: Perfect for pulling (both trailers and vehicle recovery). But, the interior space usage is just awful. It's very much a station wagon (except that I've driven a few wagons with way better space usage).

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

I did say any size, right?🤑🤑🤑

Starbucks for me, please. The one in Old Bridge NJ is pretty nice and seems to make good money. I'll even cut you in on 1% of the profits.

rayains

"my RDX drives just like a taller TLX, with a more comfortable driving position and ease of entry! so mostly a raised station wagon. " - Stickguy
That is almost exactly how the X3 feels to me,
a taller M340i.
Acceleration [ for example ] in C+D testing,
is almost identical between them.
And the 'footprint' seems very similar.
- Ray
Very old - but very happy with this choice...

nyccarguy

@tjc78 said:
Good deal Bradd!

Thank-you

nyccarguy

@28firefighter said:
That is a really strong flip, @nyccarguy, especially for today. That’s what? $10kish profit?

My guess is you’ll have one of the last big profit ones.

Right on the nose. My check from Carvana was a little over $10. To be perfectly honest, the way things have been going my shoot for the stars number when the dealers ask “what do you want for it?” was going to be $5K in my pocket. I didn’t expect this much. Everything I’ve been read about Carvana recently had me thinking something bad was going to happen. It has been killing me to keep this under my hat for about a week. There is someone here very good at keeping secrets!

nyccarguy

@kyfdx said:
@nyccarguy Wow! What's your profit, after all costs? Congrats!

About $10K

roadburner

laurasdada said:

Although I am ancient, Ray, perhaps a few more rings around my middle will have me appreciating the bus driver view and ease of entry/exit from an SUV. But, I'm not there yet. Perhaps I'm tainted by the ex's '02 Lexus RX300 and its lethargic performance, Titanic turning radius and similar rough water handling.
Even the now sold to CarMax CX-5 didn't move my SUV needle too much.
I'm an old dog.

My wife loves her X1 but I'd have to have an X3 M Comp or X4 M Comp if I was going to get an SUV to replace my 2er.

stickguy

Congrats! you deserved a good break.

tjc78

@Sandman6472 said:
Take the Accent in for it's last gratis oil change at the Miami dealer on Monday. When we bought it, the current program was not offered but they gave my kid three free oil changes just to seal the deal, as they weren't making much on this unit...or so they said. Called the local store across the street and they wouldn't honor it for some reason so off to North Miami I go Monday right after lunch to get 'er done. My daughter no longer lives in South Miami anymore since she transferred to Boca Raton earlier this year for work, a good thing, so no more driving an hour to Kendall to visit.
And also about time to do the song & dance with Sirius/XM to renew the service. Considering I've got close to 1000 songs in my personal music file, don't really need to continue the service but if they'll give it to me for the same price as I've currently got, why not. So come Monday, I'll see what I can do. And if not, I'll be fine without it.

I have XM free in the truck after not having it awhile. I used to love it, but now not as much as I used to. My wife recently got Pandora Premium and while more expensive than XM (when you get XM’s “deal”) it’s pretty awesome. No commercials, and music on demand. If you are in the mood to listen to a full album of something you just type it in and go. You can also create playlists for yourself with only songs you pick.

Funny you mention Kendall. I did a project there about a year ago.

explorerx4

I just renewed a couple of Sirius subscriptions. They put me on a recurring renew at promotional rate plan.
We'll see how that works out in about a year.
I still like the DJ component of Sirius plus the sports broadcasts.

kyfdx

My wife has SiriusXM, but I've never had it. After a service visit to the dealer, I got a free 3-month trial, and refreshed it. It's okay, but when driving 10 minutes at a time, I'd just as soon listen to the local radio. I'm positive I won't pay for it, in this car.

qbrozen

@nyccarguy said:

@28firefighter said:
That is a really strong flip, @nyccarguy, especially for today. That’s what? $10kish profit?

My guess is you’ll have one of the last big profit ones.

Right on the nose. My check from Carvana was a little over $10. To be perfectly honest, the way things have been going my shoot for the stars number when the dealers ask “what do you want for it?” was going to be $5K in my pocket. I didn’t expect this much. Everything I’ve been read about Carvana recently had me thinking something bad was going to happen. It has been killing me to keep this under my hat for about a week. There is someone here very good at keeping secrets!

I’d probably be a little nervous until the check clears. Lol.

qbrozen

Polished the Nissan yesterday morn and took almost 100 pics and a few vids. Submitted everything last night to C&B. Oh, and it will go with no reserve. shudder

stickguy

Let us know when it’s up!

stickguy

My maverick is about as old school Audio as you will get. I have 1 FM station. That’s it, never changes. Don’t even have any others programmed. Has surprisingly good coverage up here in the sticks.

qbrozen

The Nissan has a Japanese radio that has no reception here. Haha

greg128

oldfarmer50 said:

nyccarguy said:

Pics or it didn’t happen:

MSRP on my 2023 Wrangler 4Xe Rubicon: $61,780

Carvana bought it for $62,000

I’ll post a few more details later.

No wonder they’re going bankrupt. You played them well.

I might be missing something but Carvana has a few of these Rubicon 4xe 2022 models basically brand new and most for under $60K. I would think they would have to sell that at least for $65K plus to make any money.

kyfdx

@greg128 Making it up on volume..

tjc78

There is a reason why Carvana’s stock has plummeted from over $300 to $9 in only a little more than a year.

Someone has to be looking to take them over and get all that inventory.

Actually… I’d be willing to bet internally they are trying to bulk up as much inventory as possible to show more assets to potential investors

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

There is a reason why Carvana’s stock has plummeted from over $300 to $9 in only a little more than a year.

Someone has to be looking to take them over and get all that inventory.

Actually… I’d be willing to bet internally they are trying to bulk up as much inventory as possible to show more assets to potential investors

Maybe they’re planning on pulling something like this:

https://youtu.be/N0t0kJhoFbM

Sandman6472

Ex, how did you get that "recurring renewal at promotional rate" plan? Hate playing this game every year with them. Think that $5.99 is a fair price point, at least for the amount I do listen to it. Don't really need it as I've said before but it's a little gift to myself, just because.

explorerx4

@sandman6472,
I called about 2 subscriptions.
They proposed it when I said the full renewal price was too high on one of the subscriptions.
The Rep said the other subscription was already on that.
I'm paying about $90 per year per subscription after royalties and taxes.

stickguy

same thing happened to my neighbor maybe 20 years ago. Local dealer he for some reason used to sell an InFiniti (the maxima rebadge). I forget all the details, but same basic situation. Car disappeared, money did not appear. I know he eventually got it resolved after a lot of hassle.

carnaught

explorerx4 said:

I just renewed a couple of Sirius subscriptions. They put me on a recurring renew at promotional rate plan.
We'll see how that works out in about a year.
I still like the DJ component of Sirius plus the sports broadcasts.

About 6-8 weeks ago the best I could get was the $5.99/mo. plus fees for one year,
auto-payed monthly. They made me feel guilty when they said I have a “large account”, which means that they show all my cars that I have had with them despite the fact that I cancelled each when I sold them. I asked them why they just couldn’t delete these cars from me since they were no longer mine?
Crickets…”they are working on” these cases - absolutely absurd and ridiculous!

tjc78

My Mom’s old RAV. IIRC original sticker was 33 and change.

https://www.woodburynissan.com/inventory/Used-2019-Toyota-RAV4-XLE-JTMP1RFV3KJ024230/

sda

tjc78 said:

My Mom’s old RAV. IIRC original sticker was 33 and change.

https://www.woodburynissan.com/inventory/Used-2019-Toyota-RAV4-XLE-JTMP1RFV3KJ024230/

Looks nice, low miles but $32.9k for a 4 yr old RAV-4! Too much!

tjc78

It’s unbelievable. Hell the $26,500 they gave her for it was loony enough.

greg128

sda said:

tjc78 said:

My Mom’s old RAV. IIRC original sticker was 33 and change.

https://www.woodburynissan.com/inventory/Used-2019-Toyota-RAV4-XLE-JTMP1RFV3KJ024230/

Looks nice, low miles but $32.9k for a 4 yr old RAV-4! Too much!

Dealers are still assuming and hoping there are more suckers willing to overpay. But as unsold used and new inventory add up, while repos are increasing, and with wholesale values dropping precipitously they will be forced to reduce prices as buyers decline to buy whether from a bad economy, high interest rates making them unaffordable or just unwillingness to overpay.

I think this logic assumes that manufacturers will maintain production. If fewer new cars are available, then this could all turn around, making owning and driving a late model vehicle a luxury. If that is the case much of the average population would be driving old junkers especially if cheap leasing goes away.

And of course we can all hope that the economy turns around, inflation recedes, interest rated decline and we go back to the good old days.

stickguy

clean car, low miles, but for that price I want a new one.

We bought our Quest at Woodbury. Sales manager at the time lived across the street, and I found out later my daughter's kindergarten teacher's husband was the service manager.

I got taken well care of there!

tjc78

@stickguy said:
clean car, low miles, but for that price I want a new one.

We bought our Quest at Woodbury. Sales manager at the time lived across the street, and I found out later my daughter's kindergarten teacher's husband was the service manager.

I got taken well care of there!

It was a good experience. Guy I dealt with said he has been there for nearly 20 years. I’ll PM you the name to see if was the same guy.

stickguy

He has been gone for a while. actually moved to Myrtle Beach at one point and partnered in a Mitsubishi dealership. Did not seem to last long. Last I saw he was semi-retired and working as a salesman at Echelon Ford.

speaking of Mitsubishi, I had to run down to Walmart today and went past a Mitsu dealer. I am still amazed they still exist. Nice looking place, and seemed to have a bunch of inventory. never would have guessed! might explain why I have seen quite a few of them floating around the area.

Sandman6472

We have many new Mitsubishi's in our fleet now. We picked up about 15 new ones last week up in Vero Beach. Drove decent enough though hated the audio system for the lack of two knobs to control the tuning. Not a vehicle I'd ever buy though the black over black Sport version was pretty nice, just not sure which model it was. It was a small one though and would fit on my side of the garage.

stickguy

QB should add one of these to his inventory next!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGT3iWqDnoY

qbrozen

@stickguy said:
QB should add one of these to his inventory next!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGT3iWqDnoY

I’ve been trying but they are expensive.

kyfdx

My uncle's 2018 RAV4 XLE AWD (old body style) with 4K miles brought $25,500 wholesale from a Toyota dealer. It originally stickered for about $32K.

After I sold it to them, they put it up for $31K CPO. It was gone within a week.

stickguy

prices should come down soon, but I am glad I have no intention of shopping any time in the near future. Unless my hybrid maverick ever gets built, but that still comes at a good discount.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

Let us know when it’s up!

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He’ll get enough low ball offers on his own. He doesn’t need any of his poster buddies in here jacking him around too.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

greg128 said:

sda said:

tjc78 said:

My Mom’s old RAV. IIRC original sticker was 33 and change.

https://www.woodburynissan.com/inventory/Used-2019-Toyota-RAV4-XLE-JTMP1RFV3KJ024230/

Looks nice, low miles but $32.9k for a 4 yr old RAV-4! Too much!

Dealers are still assuming and hoping there are more suckers willing to overpay. But as unsold used and new inventory add up, while repos are increasing, and with wholesale values dropping precipitously they will be forced to reduce prices as buyers decline to buy whether from a bad economy, high interest rates making them unaffordable or just unwillingness to overpay.

I think this logic assumes that manufacturers will maintain production. If fewer new cars are available, then this could all turn around, making owning and driving a late model vehicle a luxury. If that is the case much of the average population would be driving old junkers especially if cheap leasing goes away.

And of course we can all hope that the economy turns around, inflation recedes, interest rated decline and we go back to the good old days.

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You got any more of that stuff your taking. I wanna feel good about the economic situation we’re in now, too.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

My Mom’s old RAV. IIRC original sticker was 33 and change.

https://www.woodburynissan.com/inventory/Used-2019-Toyota-RAV4-XLE-JTMP1RFV3KJ024230/

But…but the internet said prices are crashing. Doesn’t this dealer ever go online?😳

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

He has been gone for a while. actually moved to Myrtle Beach at one point and partnered in a Mitsubishi dealership. Did not seem to last long. Last I saw he was semi-retired and working as a salesman at Echelon Ford.

speaking of Mitsubishi, I had to run down to Walmart today and went past a Mitsu dealer. I am still amazed they still exist. Nice looking place, and seemed to have a bunch of inventory. never would have guessed! might explain why I have seen quite a few of them floating around the area.

Was that Mangino? I got my 2008 Eclipse from there. They were pretty easy to deal with but Mitsu hasn’t had anything I’d want for years and I’m scared of their CVTs. Plenty of Mitsus in the company fleet.

xwesx

They did not do a good job at all of cleaning up that Rav4! They're like, "You will pay us original MSRP for this car, and, look! It really is used!" /sigh

stickguy

oldfarmer50 said:

stickguy said:

He has been gone for a while. actually moved to Myrtle Beach at one point and partnered in a Mitsubishi dealership. Did not seem to last long. Last I saw he was semi-retired and working as a salesman at Echelon Ford.

speaking of Mitsubishi, I had to run down to Walmart today and went past a Mitsu dealer. I am still amazed they still exist. Nice looking place, and seemed to have a bunch of inventory. never would have guessed! might explain why I have seen quite a few of them floating around the area.

Was that Mangino? I got my 2008 Eclipse from there. They were pretty easy to deal with but Mitsu hasn’t had anything I’d want for years and I’m scared of their CVTs. Plenty of Mitsus in the company fleet.

that's the one. Not likely I'm shopping there either.