Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

ab348

Is having "textiles made from recycled plastic bottles" really a selling point for some people? I'd rather have some top-grain hide.

jmonroe1

nyccarguy said:

qbrozen said:

I approved my listing with C&B. Writeup seems a bit flat compared to their other listings, but I guess it isn't a thrilling car compared to others they sell.

THIIIIIIIIIS is a 1992 Nissan Gloria!

In all seriousness, best of luck to you with the sale/auction. I hope you make a ton of money.

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When you get to work one morning and there’s a large Starbucks sitting on your desk you’ll know he did.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

Turns out I was wrong about the TPIR appearance for the family:

https://share.icloud.com/photos/039QpRbKUdAlipk2TACh_OoCQ

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I saw parts of that show today (11-9-22) but not that segment. The woman that won that segment lost in the showcase round because she bid $55K (an Audi was part of the showcase. I can’t remember the model) but she was more than 9 grand too high.

jmonroe

qbrozen

This is a bit of a disappointing result considering I have 2 on the way.
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rxYYdJe0/1995-mitsubishi-pajero-mini-xr-ii
My plan is to make mine look a bit more rugged, so maybe that'll help. And there will be snow on the ground by the time mine make it.

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

Turns out I was wrong about the TPIR appearance for the family:

https://share.icloud.com/photos/039QpRbKUdAlipk2TACh_OoCQ

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I saw parts of that show today (11-9-22) but not that segment. The woman that won that segment lost in the showcase round because she bid $55K (an Audi was part of the showcase. I can’t remember the model) but she was more than 9 grand too high.

jmonroe

Apparently, my son was the last contestant called.

xwesx

On that PJ, I have to think that the color didn't help it any. A little beefier presentation, and perhaps not photographing barefoot (maybe that's just me noticing such things), should present well to potential buyers.

breld

That’s so cool @michaell on the TPIR appearance!

I will admit I was tempted to do the reservation on the EX90 as another option, but I quickly realized I would strongly prefer the related Polestar 3 at this stage in my life. I showed the pics of the EX90 to my boss, who would like to get an EV for his next vehicle (he currently has a Q7). He simply replied that he couldn’t get a Volvo, claiming they were the quintessential soccer mom car.

And if you want an electrified XC60, that surely will be coming…Volvo is targeting 2030 to only be selling all-electric vehicles.

qbrozen

Gloria is scheduled to go live on Monday.

Have I mentioned that every delivery and service person who comes to the house these days wants to talk about the odd fleet in my driveway? Has yet to lead to any buyers, however.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Gloria is scheduled to go live on Monday.

Have I mentioned that every delivery and service person who comes to the house these days wants to talk about the odd fleet in my driveway? Has yet to lead to any buyers, however.

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FLAKES !

jmonroe

stickguy

You would think at least the letter carrier would be interested in all the RHD ones

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

Gloria is scheduled to go live on Monday.

Have I mentioned that every delivery and service person who comes to the house these days wants to talk about the odd fleet in my driveway? Has yet to lead to any buyers, however.

My landscaper bought the Honda Fit from me, for his daughter..

stickguy

My mailman bought my Mazda 626 years ago. I had it on the driveway with a sign and he left me a note in the box. Saw that car for years parked outside the post office.

kyfdx

Also, I sold my wife's old car to a residential customer on my delivery route (1994).

graphicguy

I can’t wait until these guys are out of business….

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/another-dealer-defies-ford-adds-94-percent-mark-up-on-bronco-raptor-priced-at-154005/

explorerx4

I've been looking at trucks for a bit but not ready to do anything just yet.
Found two identical trucks including color but one has an MSRP about 2K higher than the other.
The sticker has a ship date on it. The lower priced one shipped 2 days later than the other.

jmonroe1

@stickguy said:
My mailman bought my Mazda 626 years ago. I had it on the driveway with a sign and he left me a note in the box. Saw that car for years parked outside the post office.

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That’s because if he could get it to run it would have been in his driveway.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

@graphicguy said:
I can’t wait until these guys are out of business….

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/another-dealer-defies-ford-adds-94-percent-mark-up-on-bronco-raptor-priced-at-154005/

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I’ve taken a different stance about shenanigans like this over the years. If people have the money to allow themselves to be gouged like this, then more power to the dealer. It’s not like someone selling a glass of water for 100 bucks to someone dying of thirst after finding their way out of a desert. Although I think that Ford is doing the right thing by trying to stop this practice. They just have to follow through with their word of stopping allocations to dealerships that ignore their warning.

jmonroe

pensfan83

graphicguy said:

I can’t wait until these guys are out of business….

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/another-dealer-defies-ford-adds-94-percent-mark-up-on-bronco-raptor-priced-at-154005/

Do what I've recommended to many, many people in person and on other message boards I frequent. Nuke them on the post-delivery survey if you feel you've been deceived, mislead, or otherwise taken advantage of. It absolutely grabs attention at the dealer level and in some instances, the manufacturer.

carnaught

Hmm, any time I’ve had problems at delivery, or perceived ones, I never seemed to get the post-delivery survey.

qbrozen

I haven’t gotten a survey in a long time. No idea what that’s about. Would give our MB dealer a glowing review but nobody asked. We even received a care package this week that included 2 travel mugs, a blanket, and a duffel bag.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

Gloria is scheduled to go live on Monday.

Have I mentioned that every delivery and service person who comes to the house these days wants to talk about the odd fleet in my driveway? Has yet to lead to any buyers, however.

I could go for something along the lines of this....

Four wheel drive, five speed, diesel, van. Lots of boxes checked! Seriously, though, if you see something in your searching....

I'll likely be down to Ohio again next fall.

qbrozen

Yup. I see vans like that all the time. Maybe not with that interior. And the manual trans in a van is not too common, but not what I would say is rare. I think the Delica offers more power, at least compared to that particular toyota.

pensfan83

Interesting, I can't think of a time I haven't received a post-delivery survey. Service visits though are hit or miss, Toyota always sends me one whereas Acura and BMW don't.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

Yup. I see vans like that all the time. Maybe not with that interior. And the manual trans in a van is not too common, but not what I would say is rare. I think the Delica offers more power, at least compared to that particular toyota.

Yeah, I'm not jazzed about the interior setup (or colors) of that particular unit, just thinking about a van of similar pedigree.

henryn

pensfan83 said:

Interesting, I can't think of a time I haven't received a post-delivery survey. Service visits though are hit or miss, Toyota always sends me one whereas Acura and BMW don't.

My last 3 new purchases (Ford, Vw, then Ford again) I did not receive a survey. I always used to, but not anymore.

au1994

xwesx said:

qbrozen said:

Yup. I see vans like that all the time. Maybe not with that interior. And the manual trans in a van is not too common, but not what I would say is rare. I think the Delica offers more power, at least compared to that particular toyota.

Yeah, I'm not jazzed about the interior setup (or colors) of that particular unit, just thinking about a van of similar pedigree.

Might not want to take a black light to that interior.

xwesx

Hey, a masterpiece is never quite finished!

andres3

Business Venture Idea

Rebuild and Restore late 90's Neon's. Taking preorders now. If this generates enough interest, let's give it the green light!

jmonroe1

andres3 said:

Business Venture Idea

Rebuild and Restore late 90's Neon's. Taking preorders now. If this generates enough interest, let's give it the green light!

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Haven’t you heard, it’s not healthy to carry a grudge this long?

jmonroe

imidazol97

@jmonroe1 said:
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Haven’t you heard, it’s not healthy to carry a grudge this long?

jmonroe

Revenge, like gazpacho, is best served cold.

henryn

https://msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/10-cars-that-lose-much-of-their-resale-value-in-5-years/ar-AA13YkW3?ocid=NL_ENUS_A1_00010101_1_1&bep_ref=1&bep_csid=65018

When you buy a new car, its value begins to depreciate — but not as nearly quickly as in the past. For example, 5-year-old used cars sold in 2022 had lost an average of just 33.3% of their value by that point, according to a new analysis by iSeeCars. That’s down from 40% in the 2021 analysis.


Meanwhile, 3-year-old used cars sold in 2022 had depreciated by 17%, the smallest drop on record.
Pandemic-related supply chain woes are slowing the depreciation of car values. Because new and used cars are harder to find, many vehicles already on the road are holding their value better.


Today’s soaring price of gasoline means fuel-efficient cars are especially likely to hold their value, iSeeCars says.


However, some vehicles still lose value far more quickly than others. These tend to be large luxury vehicles or full-size SUVs. The vehicles that lose the most value after five years are:

1. BMW 7 Series: Loses 56.9% of its value after five years, on average
2. Maserati Ghibli: 56.3%
3. Jaguar XF: 54%
4. Infiniti Qx80: 52.6%
5. Cadillac Escalade ESV: 52.3%
6. Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 51.9%
7. Lincoln Navigator: 51.9%
8. Audi A6: 51.5%
9. Volvo S90: 51.4%
10. Ford Expedition: 50.7%


The cars that hold their value the best are the Jeep Wrangler (7.3% depreciation over the first five years), Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (8.7%) and Porsche 911 (14.6%).


Other cars on the list that held their value well include the Toyota Tacoma (14.9%), Honda Civic (16.3%) and Subaru BRZ (18.2%).


In its analysis, iSeeCars looked at more than 3 million 3-year-old and 5-year-old vehicles sold in 2022.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

https://msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/10-cars-that-lose-much-of-their-resale-value-in-5-years/ar-AA13YkW3?ocid=NL_ENUS_A1_00010101_1_1&bep_ref=1&bep_csid=65018

When you buy a new car, its value begins to depreciate — but not as nearly quickly as in the past. For example, 5-year-old used cars sold in 2022 had lost an average of just 33.3% of their value by that point, according to a new analysis by iSeeCars. That’s down from 40% in the 2021 analysis.


Meanwhile, 3-year-old used cars sold in 2022 had depreciated by 17%, the smallest drop on record.
Pandemic-related supply chain woes are slowing the depreciation of car values. Because new and used cars are harder to find, many vehicles already on the road are holding their value better.


Today’s soaring price of gasoline means fuel-efficient cars are especially likely to hold their value, iSeeCars says.


However, some vehicles still lose value far more quickly than others. These tend to be large luxury vehicles or full-size SUVs. The vehicles that lose the most value after five years are:

1. BMW 7 Series: Loses 56.9% of its value after five years, on average
2. Maserati Ghibli: 56.3%
3. Jaguar XF: 54%
4. Infiniti Qx80: 52.6%
5. Cadillac Escalade ESV: 52.3%
6. Mercedes-Benz S-Class: 51.9%
7. Lincoln Navigator: 51.9%
8. Audi A6: 51.5%
9. Volvo S90: 51.4%
10. Ford Expedition: 50.7%


The cars that hold their value the best are the Jeep Wrangler (7.3% depreciation over the first five years), Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (8.7%) and Porsche 911 (14.6%).


Other cars on the list that held their value well include the Toyota Tacoma (14.9%), Honda Civic (16.3%) and Subaru BRZ (18.2%).


In its analysis, iSeeCars looked at more than 3 million 3-year-old and 5-year-old vehicles sold in 2022.

If Carvana is any guide, used pickup trucks are higher than when new.

explorerx4

When my wife bought her 96 SHO, the sales and delivery experience was horrible.
We picked up the car and drove it home, all good.
She goes to the store and the car is totally dead when she goes to start it.
Calls me up and I come down to look at it.
After a while I figured out that the battery terminals were loose.
A few days later, we drove to a family get together at one of her uncles.
One the way there a cruiser drove by and I saw him really eyeing the car.
I then realized we didn't have an emissions sticker on the windshield.
After he drove by, I saw his brake lights so I nailed the gas and we never saw him after that.
When I called the dealership to complain about the missing sticker, they said they would mail it to me which could take a week or so, or I could come up and get it(40 miles).
The sales survey never showed up, so I called Ford to ask why I didn't receive one.
When they went to verify my address, it was listed in the town where we bought the car(probably the salesman's address).
I requested a new one and blasted them.
The salesman wasn't working there any more when I brought the car in for service.

corvette

andres3 said:

Business Venture Idea

Rebuild and Restore late 90's Neon's. Taking preorders now. If this generates enough interest, let's give it the green light!

Did Elon Musk write this? Because it sounds like one of his recent business plans.

corvette

imidazol97 said:

Revenge, like gazpacho, is best served cold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRMyTdb3a1w

stickguy

I got one car where they forgot to put on the inspection sticker. This was the Acura dealer that first gave me the wrong car to take home (and they were 2 hours from my house). It was actually the replacement car (the one they were supposed to give me originally and all the DMV paperwork was done for) when I brought the first one back (instead of making them come and pick it up!). I did not realize until I got home they forgot the sticker. the seemed pretty uninterested when I called them, didn't even apologize, and just threw one in the mail.

needless to say I never went back to that dealer. and no clue if I got a survey from them.

jmonroe1

@explorerx4 said:
When my wife bought her 96 SHO, the sales and delivery experience was horrible.
We picked up the car and drove it home, all good.
She goes to the store and the car is totally dead when she goes to start it.
Calls me up and I come down to look at it.
After a while I figured out that the battery terminals were loose.
A few days later, we drove to a family get together at one of her uncles.
One the way there I cruiser drove by and I saw him really eyeing the car.
I then realized we didn't have an emissions sticker on the windshield.
After he drove by, I saw his brake lights so I nailed the gas and we never saw him after that.
When I called the dealership to complain about the missing sticker, they said they would mail it to me which could take a week or so, or I could come up and get it(40 miles).
The sales survey never showed up, so I called Ford to ask why I didn't receive one.
When they went to verify my address, it was listed in the town where we bought the car(probably the salesman's address).
I requested a new one and blasted them.
The salesman wasn't working there any more when I brought the car in for service.

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You’re a brave dude. I’ve heard of folks waking up dead for doing less.

jmonroe

explorerx4

@jmonroe1,
We were on one of those nice CT backroads. If he turned around, when he got to the next 4 way intersection there was a choice to be made. Probably decided it wasn't worth it.
Many towns in CT depend on the State Police to patrol.
Even more have only volunteer fire departments.

Sandman6472

Had the first year 1976 Japanese Isuzu Opel and it was piece of crap from day 1! The a/c kept blowing up for some reason and then on my first day of work at the post office, the tranny fell out as I was trying to get on I-95 at Palm Beach Lakes Blvd. going to my place in Boca Raton. What a disaster really & since it was my first day of orientation, was low on funds so my dad picked up the bill. This was on December 27th of 1980. Mid-January, the front left axle came off and had to fix that but said no more.
February 1st I took out a $2500 loan to buy a 1979 ex-rental, a Datsun B-210 hatch. Folks refused to lend me the cash so I just did the loan thing which they kept protesting about. Never looked back after that & liked the Datsun for what it was, basic transportation.

roadburner

My dealer always sends an email survey after a visit- and usually a text follow-up as well. They do not want to lose their Center of Excellence status.

oldfarmer50

Never got a survey from the dealer unless something from JD Powers is what they were using. I would have given all the salespeople I dealt with all 5s.

Maybe they thought I was a hard case that would nit pick them.

graphicguy

Mentioning surveys, the dealerships who I had the worst service with, never sent me a survey (Cadillac and Kia). The best service came from those who survey me every time I pass by their stores (Acura and Honda).

The owner of the Cadillac and Kia dealerships just bought my Acura dealership. So, unfortunately, I’ll probably have to look to the other Acura dealership in town the next time I’m in the market.

stickguy

my new area only has 1 Acura dealership anywhere close. So no surprise, they don't have the constant oil change coupons the competing dealers offered where I used to live! I assume they are not super competitive on selling price either, though I don't suspect I will ever need to worry about that again.

carnaught

My narrative about not getting post-delivery surveys sent to me, after a poor delivery experience, has been corroborated by some others here. I am vindicated 😉.

qbrozen

learned something new today. Stellantis owns Opel as of 2021.
They also own both Peugeot and Citroen, which I may or may not have known.

nyccarguy

Paging @breld to the white courtesy phone:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KP7pnWWQ/2008-acura-tl-type-s

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

Paging @breld to the white courtesy phone:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KP7pnWWQ/2008-acura-tl-type-s

c'mon. nobody wants a Canadian car. lol

Michaell

qbrozen said:

learned something new today. Stellantis owns Opel as of 2021.
They also own both Peugeot and Citroen, which I may or may not have known.

They also own Vauxhall - GM sold those brands to Stellantis.

Holden exists as a brand, but it's all imported cars now. I think Chevrolet trucks are sold in Australia/NZ as well.

stickguy

down that danged rabbit hole again!

This, is incredible. I love it. the whole concept, the color, and those seats are to die for.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/36LkLGon/1997-bmw-316i-touring

jmonroe1

@qbrozen said:
learned something new today. Stellantis owns Opel as of 2021.
They also own both Peugeot and Citroen, which I may or may not have known.

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Why not add more junk to your lineup.

jmonroe