Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

pensfan83 said:

MSD's can't be used on Nissan, right? Just Infiniti?

Nissan does have an MSD program. Not certain of the parameters, though, and there could be restrictions on term, etc..

breld

Looks like the $99 (or less) lease on the Leaf is back too.

kyfdx

Most of the really low payment EV deals are in NJ (because of zero sales tax), or CO (extra $5350 incentive from the state)

ab348

I just looked the Ariya up because I was unfamiliar with it. It is $70K in worthless Canadian dollars here and only some govt incentives are available. Monthly payment is $800/mo here.

Configured one in a blue metallic with a light gray interior. Looked good.

corvette

@Michaell - is that a national program, and does it apply to other trim levels? Some people on the Leasehackr forum indicated that incentives on those are regional/state-specific.

kyfdx

corvette said:

@Michaell - is that a national program, and does it apply to other trim levels? Some people on the Leasehackr forum indicated that incentives on those are regional/state-specific.

2023 models have extra lease cash on the 18-month term.

2024 model programs are unexceptional

stickguy

Dang. If I happened to be in a Nissan dealership and they put that paper in front of me I would sign it so fast their heads would spin. Then the RDX would be heading off to carmax or carvana!

corvette

Doing some back-of-the-envelope CCBA math. A local dealer has a 2023 Ariya in a color I like. At their advertised (discounted) price, it makes for a $192.99/month 18 month lease, assuming no additional discounts or shenanigans. I would keep the Maverick, but would sell the Volt and lease the Ariya. I'm thinking it should be cheaper than that, because many people are saying they can get about an 11% discount off of MSRP.

Cons: It's a base model, so only a hair over 200 miles of range. And no free fast charging for purchases after April 30.

What say you?

Michaell

corvette said:

Doing some back-of-the-envelope CCBA math. A local dealer has a 2023 Ariya in a color I like. At their advertised (discounted) price, it makes for a $192.99/month 18 month lease, assuming no additional discounts or shenanigans. I would keep the Maverick, but would sell the Volt and lease the Ariya. I'm thinking it should be cheaper than that, because many people are saying they can get about an 11% discount off of MSRP.

Cons: It's a base model, so only a hair over 200 miles of range. And no free fast charging for purchases after April 30.

What say you?

Sub-$200/mo seems pretty good on an EV lease. $3600 all in for the term.

You've got the Maverick for road trips, so the Ariya would make a great in-town commuter to keep the miles off the truck.

How much could you get for the Volt?

kyfdx

corvette said:

Doing some back-of-the-envelope CCBA math. A local dealer has a 2023 Ariya in a color I like. At their advertised (discounted) price, it makes for a $192.99/month 18 month lease, assuming no additional discounts or shenanigans. I would keep the Maverick, but would sell the Volt and lease the Ariya. I'm thinking it should be cheaper than that, because many people are saying they can get about an 11% discount off of MSRP.

Cons: It's a base model, so only a hair over 200 miles of range. And no free fast charging for purchases after April 30.

What say you?

Upfront sales tax on that big incentive, though.

corvette

I think the sales tax was figured in… I input the incentive as a down payment in the lease calculator.

Edmunds says $9-10k trade in for the Volt. Carmax offered $8k and Carvana offered $8,400.

suydam

What year and trim is your Volt? They are really popular vehicles now!

andres3

If you value a 2018 Porsche Macan Turbo at $39,000 with 45,000 miles, then does this math make sense:

2017 = -$6,000
30,000 less miles = +15,000
Performance Package = +2,500

Offer should be (assuming both were equally clean, accident free) $50,500?

Call it $50K and a day?

corvette

@suydam it’s a 2018 LT with 105k.

suydam

I guess it must depend on where you live, and it isnt a Chevy dealer.

roadburner

I would have to be held at gunpoint to sign a purchase order or lease agreement for any Nissan save the 400Z- and even then I wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about it.

xwesx

andres3 said:

If you value a 2018 Porsche Macan Turbo at $39,000 with 45,000 miles, then does this math make sense:

2017 = -$6,000
30,000 less miles = +15,000
Performance Package = +2,500

Offer should be (assuming both were equally clean, accident free) $50,500?

Call it $50K and a day?

You're giving a lot of credit to those miles, yet 15,000 miles sure isn't many (for a car of any age). I'm not sure I would want to spend $50K on any car that's eight model years old, but I'm sure there are worse ways to spend money.

xwesx

There was some fuel economy discussion a little ways back in the thread, and I just wanted to share that I managed approximately 12 mpg on the Forester for my trip to Anchorage this weekend.....

corvette

xwesx said:

There was some fuel economy discussion a little ways back in the thread, and I just wanted to share that I managed approximately 12 mpg on the Forester for my trip to Anchorage this weekend.....

Towing?

xwesx

corvette said:

Towing?

Indeed! Not a heavy trailer, but that poor car sure has to work to pull it! I basically just drove the entire 700 miles in fourth gear.

corvette

The aero footprint alone on that thing is about double that of the Forester, not to mention the added weight and rolling resistance.

suydam

roadburner said:

I would have to be held at gunpoint to sign a purchase order or lease agreement for any Nissan save the 400Z- and even then I wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about it.

I don’t know. My 2001 Nissan Maxima was one of my favorite cars.

nyccarguy

There is a 4,900 mile ‘01 Type SH Prelude in Black on BAT

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I would have to be held at gunpoint to sign a purchase order or lease agreement for any Nissan save the 400Z- and even then I wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about it.

But…but…Nissan claims the Sentra handles better than a BMW….😂😂😂

Actually I’d be leary of any Nissan with a CVT after spending a few lovely hours in the woods with a busted Altima but they can get 40mpg with the 2.5L engine. They might be appealing to some segments.

Speaking of BMWs I got to drive the BMW sourced Supra yesterday. Nice handling and decent power (probably the 2.0L) but the cramped nature and horrible visibility would take it off my list.

ab348

corvette said:

Doing some back-of-the-envelope CCBA math. A local dealer has a 2023 Ariya in a color I like. At their advertised (discounted) price, it makes for a $192.99/month 18 month lease, assuming no additional discounts or shenanigans. I would keep the Maverick, but would sell the Volt and lease the Ariya. I'm thinking it should be cheaper than that, because many people are saying they can get about an 11% discount off of MSRP.

Cons: It's a base model, so only a hair over 200 miles of range. And no free fast charging for purchases after April 30.

What say you?

I guess the incentives must apply to all 2023 Ariyas as the example @michaell provided was a Platinum AWD model which gets you about 240 miles of range and zippier performance. I wouldn't be concerned with the usual disparaging remarks about Nissans since it is a short term lease with little downside. They aren't my favorite brand by any means but this seems a very good deal.

stickguy

Whoever Was considering the Camry might be making a good decision.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9LslI0ZlqM

nyccarguy

I saw a new '25 Camry LE yesterday AM on my way in. It was white. Nice looking. I think I like the "Non-SE" front fascia better. The LE would look good with the SE wheels:). If it drives as well as the press says it does and gets the advertised fuel economy to boot, then it will make a fine daily driver for someone.

corvette

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

nyccarguy

corvette said:

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

If you want, you can always cash the check and send me the money

sda

I have an appointment for the Q5 on Saturday to have the battery replaced. Hard to believe we will have the Q5 5 years next month. My wife and daughter are meeting family later this month in southern GA. My experience with batteries is they generally last around 3-4 years. If the battery in the Q5 is original, we haven't replaced it, it is at least 6 -7 years old. The build date on the car is 9/15. I would feel horrible if the battery failed during the trip. I was quoted $505 at Audi, of which $190 is to program the battery to the vehicle. Sheesh. I suggested to my wife I check with some independent shops that specialize in German cars, but she feels most comfortable with having it replaced at Audi. Happy wife...

jmonroe1

nyccarguy said:

corvette said:

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

If you want, you can always cash the check and send me the money

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Not so fast. He wants to send it to me.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

jmonroe1 said:

nyccarguy said:

corvette said:

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

If you want, you can always cash the check and send me the money

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Not so fast. He wants to send it to me.

jmonroe

Split it? 50/50? He pays for postage & shipping?

jmonroe1

sda said:

I have an appointment for the Q5 on Saturday to have the battery replaced. Hard to believe we will have the Q5 5 years next month. My wife and daughter are meeting family later this month in southern GA. My experience with batteries is they generally last around 3-4 years. If the battery in the Q5 is original, we haven't replaced it, it is at least 6 -7 years old. The build date on the car is 9/15. I would feel horrible if the battery failed during the trip. I was quoted $505 at Audi, of which $190 is to program the battery to the vehicle. Sheesh. I suggested to my wife I check with some independent shops that specialize in German cars, but she feels most comfortable with having it replaced at Audi. Happy wife...

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I think it was about a year and a half ago that I replaced the battery in the Genny with a top of the line Interstate battery that cost just a tick over 300 bucks all in including installation.

A nice thing about owning a wannabe is that the car is too dumb to know anything about the battery. As long as it starts, it’s satisfied and so am I. Come to think of it, that might be saying something about my intelligence too.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

nyccarguy said:

jmonroe1 said:

nyccarguy said:

corvette said:

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

If you want, you can always cash the check and send me the money

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Not so fast. He wants to send it to me.

jmonroe

Split it? 50/50? He pays for postage & shipping?

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I like how you think.

jmonroe

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I would have to be held at gunpoint to sign a purchase order or lease agreement for any Nissan save the 400Z- and even then I wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about it.

But…but…Nissan claims the Sentra handles better than a BMW….😂😂😂

Actually I’d be leary of any Nissan with a CVT after spending a few lovely hours in the woods with a busted Altima but they can get 40mpg with the 2.5L engine. They might be appealing to some segments.

Speaking of BMWs I got to drive the BMW sourced Supra yesterday. Nice handling and decent power (probably the 2.0L) but the cramped nature and horrible visibility would take it off my list.

I checked out the Supra 3.0 along with the new M240i and M2 before I picked up the C43. I really tried to like them but I just couldn't.

qbrozen

So that Ariya deal no longer includes loyalty? (was just a couple months ago that was part of the package that made it cheap.) Also, you have to find a 2023, which I’ve read some reports of being scarce at this point.

I’m honestly turned off full EVs after having the MachE and spending some time in a Tesla M3. I find a PHEV far far more appealing.

qbrozen

Whodathunk finding parts for an American-sold Maserati would be tougher than finding them for a gray market car from a long-retired-from-US manufacturer? I am on my 3rd brake pad order and 2nd AC compressor order. The car has been up on the rack for 1.5 weeks now because I can’t put it back together. Local parts stores say “no dice” and these online places are turning out to be untrustworthy. Surprisingly, I got the right hubs on the first try.

stickguy

order them from Italy. You buy the plane ticket and I will fly over to pick them up for you. Because I'm a nice guy.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I would have to be held at gunpoint to sign a purchase order or lease agreement for any Nissan save the 400Z- and even then I wouldn't be all that enthusiastic about it.

But…but…Nissan claims the Sentra handles better than a BMW….😂😂😂

Actually I’d be leary of any Nissan with a CVT after spending a few lovely hours in the woods with a busted Altima but they can get 40mpg with the 2.5L engine. They might be appealing to some segments.

Speaking of BMWs I got to drive the BMW sourced Supra yesterday. Nice handling and decent power (probably the 2.0L) but the cramped nature and horrible visibility would take it off my list.

I checked out the Supra 3.0 along with the new M240i and M2 before I picked up the C43. I really tried to like them but I just couldn't.

I’ve driven several 2 series BMWs and they were much more livable in my opinion.

andres3

corvette said:

State Farm is paying me $2,000 diminished value on the Maverick. I had to pay for an appraisal to get that, but still coming out ahead… how much DV can there really be when the incident isn’t on the Carfax and it was just a bumper repaint and a piece of trim?

Depends on the quality of the paint work, color Match accuracy, and whether there's massive panel gaps for fit and finish.

andres3

qbrozen said:

Whodathunk finding parts for an American-sold Maserati would be tougher than finding them for a gray market car from a long-retired-from-US manufacturer? I am on my 3rd brake pad order and 2nd AC compressor order. The car has been up on the rack for 1.5 weeks now because I can’t put it back together. Local parts stores say “no dice” and these online places are turning out to be untrustworthy. Surprisingly, I got the right hubs on the first try.

RacingLine out of the UK apparently doesn't care about customer service or responding to inquiries, nor follow-up. Or might the problem be the licensed shop to sell their goods????

Reminds me why I'm not a huge fan of the after-market auto-parts market.

andres3

sda said:

I have an appointment for the Q5 on Saturday to have the battery replaced. Hard to believe we will have the Q5 5 years next month. My wife and daughter are meeting family later this month in southern GA. My experience with batteries is they generally last around 3-4 years. If the battery in the Q5 is original, we haven't replaced it, it is at least 6 -7 years old. The build date on the car is 9/15. I would feel horrible if the battery failed during the trip. I was quoted $505 at Audi, of which $190 is to program the battery to the vehicle. Sheesh. I suggested to my wife I check with some independent shops that specialize in German cars, but she feels most comfortable with having it replaced at Audi. Happy wife...

That's a lot of money for what should be about $350 even for the best. I was hooked up with a Bosch battery for my S4 at around that price and it hasn't let itself be known since. Like I said, the B8.5 S4 is the Honda of Audis.

andres3

xwesx said:

andres3 said:

If you value a 2018 Porsche Macan Turbo at $39,000 with 45,000 miles, then does this math make sense:

2017 = -$6,000
30,000 less miles = +15,000
Performance Package = +2,500

Offer should be (assuming both were equally clean, accident free) $50,500?

Call it $50K and a day?

You're giving a lot of credit to those miles, yet 15,000 miles sure isn't many (for a car of any age). I'm not sure I would want to spend $50K on any car that's eight model years old, but I'm sure there are worse ways to spend money.

I mean... how many people can say they've owned a 440 HP Macan? Unlike some car brands that we won't name names, Porsche's performance packs were actually packed with performance. That's more HP than the current model '24 Macan GTS top of the line trim.

mjfloyd1

andres3 said:

sda said:

I have an appointment for the Q5 on Saturday to have the battery replaced. Hard to believe we will have the Q5 5 years next month. My wife and daughter are meeting family later this month in southern GA. My experience with batteries is they generally last around 3-4 years. If the battery in the Q5 is original, we haven't replaced it, it is at least 6 -7 years old. The build date on the car is 9/15. I would feel horrible if the battery failed during the trip. I was quoted $505 at Audi, of which $190 is to program the battery to the vehicle. Sheesh. I suggested to my wife I check with some independent shops that specialize in German cars, but she feels most comfortable with having it replaced at Audi. Happy wife...

That's a lot of money for what should be about $350 even for the best. I was hooked up with a Bosch battery for my S4 at around that price and it hasn't let itself be known since. Like I said, the B8.5 S4 is the Honda of Audis.

Apparently peace of mind is worth $155😇

corvette

@andres3 said:
Depends on the quality of the paint work, color Match accuracy, and whether there's massive panel gaps for fit and finish.

It’s good, after I made them fix the clear coat drip (with froth in it) on the edge of the bumper.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Whodathunk finding parts for an American-sold Maserati would be tougher than finding them for a gray market car from a long-retired-from-US manufacturer? I am on my 3rd brake pad order and 2nd AC compressor order. The car has been up on the rack for 1.5 weeks now because I can’t put it back together. Local parts stores say “no dice” and these online places are turning out to be untrustworthy. Surprisingly, I got the right hubs on the first try.

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That’s downright aggravating.

You might want to ask a Maserati indy shop if they’re willing to tell you who they get parts from. I know this sounds crazy but when Son #1 bought his 2018 X3 a couple years ago the indy shop that he chose to have some work done (alignment and something I can’t remember now) was more than willing to share the names of sites he dealt with (even told him which ones to stay away from) and IIRC, one of the sites he liked was a place where our poster buddy @roadburner says he buys his BMW parts.

It can’t hurt.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

@andres3 said:
That's a lot of money for what should be about $350 even for the best. I was hooked up with a Bosch battery for my S4 at around that price and it hasn't let itself be known since. Like I said, the B8.5 S4 is the Honda of Audis.

The B8.5 S4 is the one you have?

nyccarguy

Got some awesome news today! My Prelude is ready! I’m so excited! I’m going to pick it up on Friday!

stickguy

glad you can finally drive it again.

qbrozen

@jmonroe1 said:
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That’s downright aggravating.

You might want to ask a Maserati indy shop if they’re willing to tell you who they get parts from. I know this sounds crazy but when Son #1 bought his 2018 X3 a couple years ago the indy shop that he chose to have some work done (alignment and something I can’t remember now) was more than willing to share the names of sites he dealt with (even told him which ones to stay away from) and IIRC, one of the sites he liked was a place where our poster buddy @roadburner says he buys his BMW parts.

It can’t hurt.

jmonroe

Good tip. I can at least say “stay away from Advance Auto.” I plugged my car into their website and it said “here are AC compressors that will work.” Ordered, waited, opened box, NOPE! Not even close. Want to return online? Gotta pay shipping. So I drive 20 mins on Sat morn to the store. Guy looks in their computer and it shows they sell none that will fit, and they have no way of ordering one. Oh, and he can’t take back this one using the shipping paperwork that came with it. I gotta go back home and print the email receipt. WOW. I got around to going back today. They refunded me the part but can’t refund shipping. I have to contact the web people for that. Geesh! Amazon they ain’t!

Oh yeah, and all this was after I tried buying from an EBay store. Waited 4 days only to be told “whoops, that’s not in stock.” THEN ordered from advance auto and waited for that. So about a week wasted the first time around.

I honestly forget where I ordered the first set of pads. But I put in my base model QP and it spit out the front pad options. They arrived and turns out they are for the GTS and are much larger than mine. Went to Amazon and found a set so I could get them shipped quicker. Again, I answered base model but again, I got the bigger ones. I take some fault on this one because I went back and found in the fine print they are described as for 6-piston calipers. Dug around and found what claims to be a set for 4-piston calipers and requested an exchange. Somehow the smaller ones cost a bit more. Figure that out. But they are on their way (fingers crossed).