Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

corvette

pensfan83 said:

What are the thoughts on the previous generation Colorado/Canyon? 2016/2017 model years if that matters.

GM's 3.6 liter V6 had a ton of issues with timing chains. Supposedly, that was rectified by the 2016/17 model year, but who really knows? There were some hardware changes, but the other part of the fix was specifying synthetic blend oil and reducing the oil change interval, so service history is important.

stickguy

When did the canyon and Colorado switch from the big 4 and 5 cylinder engines?

corvette

2015, which is when the second gen was introduced in the US. I forgot they went a couple of years between production runs with no midsize truck.

pensfan83

One's a 2016 (121K, 2 owner) and one's a 2017 (63K, one owner), both are the 3.6.

nyccarguy

@stickguy said:
Not prices like one either.

I’m sure it is MUCH cheaper

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

Question for the more mechanically inclined. The X1 needs a new passenger side motor mount. It is a labor intensive job, complicated by the fact that the A/C system may have to be drained and hoses removed to gain access to the mount. I’ve been quoted around 1k for the complete job (incl, AC drain and recharge) by an indy in the college down where Jr is. It’s less w/o the A/C issue if he can make the access work.

I just put 1k in for pads and rotors and he’s going to need tires when he’s home for Christmas.

Am I doing any harm or causing a safety issue if I just kick the motor mount down the road? He’s in college, car doesn’t get driven every day and we could tell him to nix driving on any road trips.

Its a ‘17 with 74k miles.

It depends. Does he have a heavy foot? When I was that age I had a car with a broken motor mount and every time I nailed it the engine would heave up and pull the hose off the power steering pump. Fluid would go everywhere and I’d lose power steering. While I was invulnerable back then you may want better for your son.

sda

benjaminh said:

If you're willing I'd be interested to hear how things are going with your Arteon @sda. I like the unique high-end design of the Arteon, which seems more like an Audi that somehow got released to VW. I imagine the driving dynamics and interior design of the Arteon make each drive special. I was interested in the Arteon a few years ago because the design was so high-end, and yet discounts on new ones were quite large. I was esp. fascinated by that back side glass in the Arteon, the design of which seems different from any other car I've seen. It's like a concept car that was brought to life as originally designed, rather than compromised.




Re: my medical odyssey in brief...Long-term laryngitis, the cause of which was perhaps mis-diagnosed by first ent doc. Went on three drugs. Was allergic to the first one, while second and third were ineffective. Strong side-effects with third drug. New ent doc found small polyp on vocal cord. She's confident it's benign, but only pathology will say for sure. Surgery in a few weeks to remove, and won't be allowed to talk for a week after that while recovering, not even in a whisper. Might be a relief lol? A challenge with my job, but I've already more or less figured out how to make that work by doing things in advance.

Best wishes that the surgery goes well and you have a full and quick recovery.

Like you, I’ve always liked the Arteon for the reasons you stated. It reminds me of the high level of quality and refinement of our Audi Q5 and my previous 06 Passat. The workmanship is top notch. The interior is of very good quality. The napa leather is soft to the touch yet feels durable. I really like a lot of the features such as the multi-function instrument cluster which is customizable and will show the navigation map in full or partial scale. Too many nice features to cover. The led headlamps pivot to provide better illumination when cornering and around 20 mph activates very effective cornering lights. The adaptive driving mode works well and has several settings and is also customizable. The normal setting is spot on. It glides over broken surfaces, frost heaves, expansion strips, without much road noise and zero float. Handling is direct, acceleration brisk, smooth and decisive transmission response, a quiet car overall. I have only driven it about 500 miles. It is getting around 23 mpg in city driving and about 31 mpg during my commute to work. This is slightly better than the EPA estimates. The fact that it is a liftback but looks like sedan is a plus. It is a 21 SEL-R with 4 motion, CPO, one owner, excellent condition with 26k. A base 25 Civic costs more than what I paid for the Arteon. I am delighted.

nyccarguy

@sda Im glad you are happy with your VW. Sounds like a great car! I didn’t realize it is a lift back! That’s quite a bonus!

roadburner

@sda Very nice! Deutschland über alles!!!

Michaell

Filled up the Sportage for the first time this morning. Almost 32 MPG on this tank, but I expect that to increase as the engine breaks in.

I'm pretty sure the daughter has a lead foot, but I'm hoping that the presence of the hybrid will cause her to drive in a manner that gets better mileage.

qbrozen

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:
Inspection and oil change labor: 310
Oil and filter: 110
Wiper blades: 60
Something about a metal weight: 8
Alignment (her request): 200
Replacement key insert (her request): 80
Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

corvette

Yikes!

I finally got the Ariya registered. The county clerk's computer system did not like it at all when the deputy clerk told it the vehicle had zero cylinders. Not sure how she worked around it, but, I have a plate, which is the part that matters.

au1994

corvette said:

Yikes!

I finally got the Ariya registered. The county clerk's computer system did not like it at all when the deputy clerk told it the vehicle had zero cylinders. Not sure how she worked around it, but, I have a plate, which is the part that matters.

You’d think they would have fixed that little s/w glitch by now. The Leaf, for one, has been out since 2010.

benjaminh

sda said:

...The fact that it is a liftback but looks like sedan is a plus. It is a 21 SEL-R with 4 motion, CPO, one owner, excellent condition with 26k. A base 25 Civic costs more than what I paid for the Arteon. I am delighted.

Thanks for that report. What a great deal! Compared to a c. $25k base Civic you are driving a rare luxury awd performance car, and one that has a lot of practicality. Was the original msrp somewhere in the mid-40s?

venture

qbrozen said:

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:

Inspection and oil change labor: 310

Oil and filter: 110

Wiper blades: 60

Something about a metal weight: 8

Alignment (her request): 200

Replacement key insert (her request): 80

Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

There's not one of those things that are even close to being reasonable (with the exception of the $8 weight).

cdnpinhead

And yet people will continue to pay for this sort of thing.

Go figure,

qbrozen

I was wrong about doing the filters and brakes for $200-$250 in parts.
I just ordered them from rockauto for a whopping $70 total.
all name-brand parts, FYI. Mann filters and Bosch brake pads.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

I was wrong about doing the filters and brakes for $200-$250 in parts.
I just ordered them from rockauto for a whopping $70 total.
all name-brand parts, FYI. Mann filters and Bosch brake pads.

Amen, brother.

sda

@benjaminh said:
Thanks for that report. What a great deal! Compared to a c. $25k base Civic you are driving a rare luxury awd performance car, and one that has a lot of practicality. Was the original msrp somewhere in the mid-40s?

Correct, $46k. I imagine it was discounted. I have 3 years of VW warranty to 74k. I am comfortable with that.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:

Inspection and oil change labor: 310

Oil and filter: 110

Wiper blades: 60

Something about a metal weight: 8

Alignment (her request): 200

Replacement key insert (her request): 80

Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

I had a similar experience today. The “free” recall cost me $1000 after a slow leak I asked them to look at resulted in a new set of tires. I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line tires for snow.



I also got a nifty window sticker to warn the Kia Boys to stay away.



Oh, and they said my front brakes were down to 1mm and wanted to replace them. I’ll take to my guy just in case they were giving me the business.

28firefighter

I took a 2024 WRX Premium manual for a test drive this afternoon. For a car that has been largely panned as meh, it is an exceedingly fun sedan. Clutch and shifter were not nearly as sloppy as I expected and despite not having touched a manual car since I sold the ZHP, I got back in a rhythm quickly.

It’s very tempting. Huge discounts on them, competitive residuals…

xwesx

oldfarmer50 said:

I had a similar experience today. The “free” recall cost me $1000 after a slow leak I asked them to look at resulted in a new set of tires. I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line *all-season* tires for snow.

Corrected for you. These do not compare to dedicated studless winter tires, but they are better than most other all-seasons!

imidazol97

Are the Cross Climates rated 3 peaks for snow?

I've considered them for my Malibu instead of Primacy A/S Touring or Defender 2 models. These are the only ones they make in my size.

xwesx

imidazol97 said:

Are the Cross Climates rated 3 peaks for snow?

I've considered them for my Malibu instead of Primacy A/S Touring or Defender 2 models. These are the only ones they make in my size.

Yes, they are. And, I see quite a few folks using them up here in Fairbanks year-round (sold at Costco locally, so I'm sure that helps with their proliferation), if that tells you anything about how well they do as a true all-season.

xwesx

Personally, I like to use mild "all terrain" tires, with the 3-peak rating, for my summer/all-season tires. I find they perform best in most conditions, including mud (which most all-seasons just fall flat in), and we have enough non-paved roads around here that mud driving is a reasonable consideration when buying!

venture

xwesx said:

imidazol97 said:

Are the Cross Climates rated 3 peaks for snow?

I've considered them for my Malibu instead of Primacy A/S Touring or Defender 2 models. These are the only ones they make in my size.

Yes, they are. And, I see quite a few folks using them up here in Fairbanks year-round (sold at Costco locally, so I'm sure that helps with their proliferation), if that tells you anything about how well they do as a true all-season.

I'm considering getting the Cross Climate 2 tires to replace the tires that came on my Legacy.

I noticed that the car feels like it sliding sideways in the rain, on curves. I looked and they are traction rated B. The Cross Climates are rated A.

mjfloyd1

@qbrozen said:
I was wrong about doing the filters and brakes for $200-$250 in parts.
I just ordered them from rockauto for a whopping $70 total.
all name-brand parts, FYI. Mann filters and Bosch brake pads.

Ceramic pads?

xwesx

@venture I am not sure what they put on the Legacy nowadays. They used to put Bridgestone Potenza RE92A as the OEM sneakers, and I can confidently say that the CC2 would be a revelation in comparison to that crappy Bridgestone!

mjfloyd1

@xwesx said:
Personally, I like to use mild "all terrain" tires, with the 3-peak rating, for my summer/all-season tires. I find they perform best in most conditions, including mud (which most all-seasons just fall flat in), and we have enough non-paved roads around here that mud driving is a reasonable consideration when buying!

Bruh, you are in Alaska and we are not. I admire you for all your hard work and travels!

oldfarmer50

xwesx said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I had a similar experience today. The “free” recall cost me $1000 after a slow leak I asked them to look at resulted in a new set of tires. I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line *all-season* tires for snow.

Corrected for you. These do not compare to dedicated studless winter tires, but they are better than most other all-seasons!

Nobody uses studded snow tires around here any more unless they have RWD or live in the woods. Having said that I’ll consider snow tires for the truck after I see how things go. The cargo van it replaced was RWD and didn’t need them.

venture

xwesx said:

@venture I am not sure what they put on the Legacy nowadays. They used to put Bridgestone Potenza RE92A as the OEM sneakers, and I can confidently say that the CC2 would be a revelation in comparison to that crappy Bridgestone!

Yokohama Avid GT came on the car. I'm pretty sure they are of equal crappiness to the Bridgestone's.

ab348

I saw an interesting discussion somewhere this week about those Cross Climate tires. The gist of it was that they are great on dry pavement, good in light to moderate snow, but atrocious on wet roads. Something to do with them lacking a certain kind of siping.

pensfan83

@28firefighter said:
I took a 2024 WRX Premium manual for a test drive this afternoon. For a car that has been largely panned as meh, it is an exceedingly fun sedan. Clutch and shifter were not nearly as sloppy as I expected and despite not having touched a manual car since I sold the ZHP, I got back in a rhythm quickly.

It’s very tempting. Huge discounts on them, competitive residuals…

I don't know who's saying it's meh but I've taken the prior gen on a few tests drives and found it to be a fun package. Sounds like they made the shift action less notchy.

tifighter

@28firefighter said:
I took a 2024 WRX Premium manual for a test drive this afternoon. For a car that has been largely panned as meh, it is an exceedingly fun sedan. Clutch and shifter were not nearly as sloppy as I expected and despite not having touched a manual car since I sold the ZHP, I got back in a rhythm quickly.

It’s very tempting. Huge discounts on them, competitive residuals…

I feel like a lot of the recent reviews I’ve seen were pretty positive. Seems like that would make more sense than a high mileage Golf R.

You should drive one of those Elantra N with a manual, too.

venture

ab348 said:

I saw an interesting discussion somewhere this week about those Cross Climate tires. The gist of it was that they are great on dry pavement, good in light to moderate snow, but atrocious on wet roads. Something to do with them lacking a certain kind of siping.

Well...that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I've read many reviews and haven't seen that. If you run across it again let me know - if you don't mind.

xwesx

venture said:

Well...that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I've read many reviews and haven't seen that. If you run across it again let me know - if you don't mind.

Tire Rack has some great info out there after testing the tire.

benjaminh

oldfarmer50 said:

...I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line tires for snow....

I've had CrossClimate2 tires on my Acura for about 3 years and 35,000 miles. Strong performance in all conditions from my pov—dry, rain, and snow. After my good experience I also got the CC2 put on our CR-V that next generation now has. Here's a short promo video from Michelin from a few years ago, and below that a 2-minute 2023 test from Tire Rack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1lNW23aueg&t=29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l12lP0X8oTk

These tires cost a bit more but I think they're worth. Discounts available on them sometimes from Costco. Seems like the CrossClimate2 has been a big success for Michelin.

qbrozen

@mjfloyd1 said:

@qbrozen said:
I was wrong about doing the filters and brakes for $200-$250 in parts.
I just ordered them from rockauto for a whopping $70 total.
all name-brand parts, FYI. Mann filters and Bosch brake pads.

Ceramic pads?

Yes

suydam

Took the Blazer EV on a 200+ mi.trip to San Diego to see folks and attend a memorial service for a relative. What a great road trip car this is! Very quick and a gem on the highway. Learned one fun fact — traffic jams are an opportunity for an EV! When we hit the usual 405 parking lot pretending to be a freeway, the Blazer actually recharged during that portion, so I ended up with more than 90 miles charge remaining when we reached our destination. Talk about making lemonade out of lemons! The google maps route planner was very accurate in estimating range left.
We were beat after all that time in traffic, but consoled ourselves with G and Ts at the Palomar Airport bar and restaurant. Now we are at the hotel, charging the Blazer at one of the hotel charging stations.
Icing on the cake — we can actually watch the Dodgers at our hotel! Dodgers fans have been blacked out of all TV games for years now by some weird argument between the cable folks and Dodger ownership. GAME 5 — GO BLUE!

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

I saw an interesting discussion somewhere this week about those Cross Climate tires. The gist of it was that they are great on dry pavement, good in light to moderate snow, but atrocious on wet roads. Something to do with them lacking a certain kind of siping.

I heard that CC2 are good in wet conditions because of the unique tread pattern.

nyccarguy

Cross Climates - we replaced them on our Highlander with about 35K miles. We now have 58K miles and the tires seem like they have a lot of life left in them. I will tell you that I do notice the road noise. It’s probably be pronounced in your Legacy too. We also have a set on my Mom’s RX 350, but you don’t hear any road noise. I am very happy with how sure footed they are in all conditions. Last winter I had to pick my daughter up at a Bat Mitzvah that was about 20 miles away in a bad snow storm. I could have taken my 4WD Tacoma or my Wrangler with a very sophisticated 4WD system. I took the Highlander because of the Cross Climates.

Regarding the current body style WRX. It has grown on me the more and more I see them. I like the way they look. I know Subaru is hurting to sell them as sales are way down from last year. Subaru always seems to have low financing rates as well as a decent lease program if you can score a healthy discount.

jmonroe1

venture said:

qbrozen said:

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:

Inspection and oil change labor: 310

Oil and filter: 110

Wiper blades: 60

Something about a metal weight: 8

Alignment (her request): 200

Replacement key insert (her request): 80

Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

There's not one of those things that are even close to being reasonable (with the exception of the $8 weight).

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I’ve heard too many tales about fuel injection cleaning. That’s a tough one to check the validity of having had that done.

What will they think of for E-vehicles? Super conductive paste on the terminals? Don’t laugh, they’ll come up with something along those lines.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:

Inspection and oil change labor: 310

Oil and filter: 110

Wiper blades: 60

Something about a metal weight: 8

Alignment (her request): 200

Replacement key insert (her request): 80

Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

I had a similar experience today. The “free” recall cost me $1000 after a slow leak I asked them to look at resulted in a new set of tires. I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line tires for snow.



I also got a nifty window sticker to warn the Kia Boys to stay away.



Oh, and they said my front brakes were down to 1mm and wanted to replace them. I’ll take to my guy just in case they were giving me the business.

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All those stickers do is let the thieves know how to go about defeating those systems. By the time Kia implemented the “fix” on a dozen cars the word on the street was already out.

jmonroe

stickguy

I should stop and take a WRX for a spin. Last one I drove was in 2017 or so. Drove one back to back with a GLI, and the Sube seemed like a tractor in comparison. Just not sure that the wife would buy off on replacing her car with a manual trans sporty sedan.

ab348

venture said:

ab348 said:

I saw an interesting discussion somewhere this week about those Cross Climate tires. The gist of it was that they are great on dry pavement, good in light to moderate snow, but atrocious on wet roads. Something to do with them lacking a certain kind of siping.

Well...that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I've read many reviews and haven't seen that. If you run across it again let me know - if you don't mind.

venture said:

ab348 said:

I saw an interesting discussion somewhere this week about those Cross Climate tires. The gist of it was that they are great on dry pavement, good in light to moderate snow, but atrocious on wet roads. Something to do with them lacking a certain kind of siping.

Well...that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I've read many reviews and haven't seen that. If you run across it again let me know - if you don't mind.

I tried to find where I saw that and couldn’t. Might have been on YT. Wasn’t where I thought it would be. I saw one reference to an uneasy feel in the wet at 60-65mph but just the one and other people were universally positive about them. So I’d say don’t go by me.

qbrozen

@suydam said:
Took the Blazer EV on a 200+ mi.trip to San Diego to see folks and attend a memorial service for a relative. What a great road trip car this is! Very quick and a gem on the highway. Learned one fun fact — traffic jams are an opportunity for an EV! When we hit the usual 405 parking lot pretending to be a freeway, the Blazer actually recharged during that portion, so I ended up with more than 90 miles charge remaining when we reached our destination. Talk about making lemonade out of lemons! The google maps route planner was very accurate in estimating range left.
We were beat after all that time in traffic, but consoled ourselves with G and Ts at the Palomar Airport bar and restaurant. Now we are at the hotel, charging the Blazer at one of the hotel charging stations.
Icing on the cake — we can actually watch the Dodgers at our hotel! Dodgers fans have been blacked out of all TV games for years now by some weird argument between the cable folks and Dodger ownership. GAME 5 — GO BLUE!

Sorry, but after seeing the videos of the fans in LA during this series, I was rooting against them. Well, to be fair, I was against them all year (because they are cheating with payroll), but the fans’ actions made it so much worse. Sad to see them advance. They’ll wind up in the WS now and lose to the Guardians, IMHO.

breld

28firefighter said:

I took a 2024 WRX Premium manual for a test drive this afternoon. For a car that has been largely panned as meh, it is an exceedingly fun sedan. Clutch and shifter were not nearly as sloppy as I expected and despite not having touched a manual car since I sold the ZHP, I got back in a rhythm quickly.

It’s very tempting. Huge discounts on them, competitive residuals…

I only had my WRX for a few months (big surprise) but enjoyed the experience. Like you, I was surprised by how nice the clutch and shifter felt. I was able to get around $3k off MSRP and hardly experienced any depreciation on the sale.

I went with the Premium trim, which was definitely a good value, but did regret not going for the Limited for the upgraded stereo and sunroof. Looks like you can also get those features in a package on the Premium.

ab348

qbrozen said:

Sorry, but after seeing the videos of the fans in LA during this series, I was rooting against them. Well, to be fair, I was against them all year (because they are cheating with payroll), but the fans’ actions made it so much worse. Sad to see them advance. They’ll wind up in the WS now and lose to the Guardians, IMHO.

I didn’t dislike the Dodgers but the atmosphere they have created in Dodger Stadium the last few years isn’t good, and it seems to have rubbed off on some of the players. The topper was tonight after they won and were celebrating on the field. Ken Rosenthal of Fox was out there interviewing [non-permissible content removed] Hernandez who didn’t seem to want to do it but went along for a couple of questions before Rosenthal asked him something to which he responded “Are we live?” to which he was told yes. He turned away to look or talk to a teammate then turned back to Rosenthal with a grin on his face and said something that included the F-word. He knew exactly what he was doing, it wasn’t a heat of the moment thing. There was a long pause after that from the broadcasters. Real klassy.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

Wife took the Volvo in for service this morn. I’m appalled at the receipt she came home with. $310 for labor to inspect it and do an oil change, and that’s not including the parts!

Summary:

Inspection and oil change labor: 310

Oil and filter: 110

Wiper blades: 60

Something about a metal weight: 8

Alignment (her request): 200

Replacement key insert (her request): 80

Misc plus taxes and minus a coupon, total bill: 733

Wow! And the nerve to suggest fuel injection cleaning! Other things on their to-do list included FRONT brakes ($1k), air filter ($110), cabin filter ($140), and brake and coolant flushes, I forget how much.

I can do those first 3 in an hour and $200-$250. Obviously, that dealer won’t be seeing us for service again.

I had a similar experience today. The “free” recall cost me $1000 after a slow leak I asked them to look at resulted in a new set of tires. I was planning on replacing them anyway but I had them install Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. 25,500 miles on the OEMs and the dealer said they were dry rotted. At least I got top of the line tires for snow.



I also got a nifty window sticker to warn the Kia Boys to stay away.



Oh, and they said my front brakes were down to 1mm and wanted to replace them. I’ll take to my guy just in case they were giving me the business.

————————————————
All those stickers do is let the thieves know how to go about defeating those systems. By the time Kia implemented the “fix” on a dozen cars the word on the street was already out.

jmonroe

Professional thieves will always be one step ahead of anti-theft technology. Heck, they can clone your key from your pocket electronically. The fix Kia installed is just a basic immobilizer which even my 25 year old Chrysler has. Seems they were too cheap to install them at the factory. Now the car can’t be started without a key.

Now the Kia Boys with just car Jack you but that’s a whole different discussion.😥

stickguy

that's why I have insurance. If someone wants my car bad enough to go to all that trouble, they can have it and I will just have to get another one!

prices probably going up though with all the storms. Even though dealers seem to be stuffed with inventory. Maybe 2 hurricanes will actually be enough to get Stellantis dealers off the skids and selling units.