Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

corvette said:

I'm sure the Macan is great, but 0-60 in the 5.8 to 6-second range confirms my belief that my Maverick is a very affordable "sleeper" vehicle.

Yeah... the Macan doesn't feel any faster than my wife's X3, even though 13 hp more for the Macan. Peppy, but not amazing. Top speed of 144 is pretty impressive.

kyfdx

corvette said:

kyfdx said:

But, will the local dealer give me a loaner, when I take it in for service?

They may not be under an obligation to, but they will if they think you are going to receive a satisfaction survey.

Plus, you pay for service, so if they want your business....

nyccarguy

@breld said:
The side blades in body color is a nice touch that you don’t see too often.

I didn’t notice that until you said something. The body color side blade look great Makes it look a little bit more European.

qbrozen

@corvette said:
I'm sure the Macan is great, but 0-60 in the 5.8 to 6-second range confirms my belief that my Maverick is a very affordable "sleeper" vehicle.

That’s why I’d be looking for an S, personally. If I was opting for the 4-cyl, might as well look at the cheaper Q5.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

@corvette said:

I'm sure the Macan is great, but 0-60 in the 5.8 to 6-second range confirms my belief that my Maverick is a very affordable "sleeper" vehicle.

That’s why I’d be looking for an S, personally. If I was opting for the 4-cyl, might as well look at the cheaper Q5.

Well... it's my wife's car.

Personally, I'm not fond of Audi steering feel.

stickguy

is there anything wrong with the X3, or is this just a "I feel like something new" situation? If so, is it worth $45K for that shiny (newer but not new) feeling?

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Just an example. There are others but I like the red. Like this one is much cheaper but supposedly has black guts. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/400066161

This one is cool with the chocolate outside and suede inserts inside. Miles are a little high though. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/378374372

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That second one won’t cost you a nickel to get it to your driveway. I’m pretty sure a couple of your poster buddies will be fighting to see who gets to deliver it to you.

jmonroe

kyfdx

stickguy said:

is there anything wrong with the X3, or is this just a "I feel like something new" situation? If so, is it worth $45K for that shiny (newer but not new) feeling?

7.5 yrs old.. 79K miles.
It's been really good.

But, it's time for something new.. We could probably get another X3 service loaner for $47K-$50K.

Barring unforeseen issues, whatever we get will do her for another six years, at least. It isn't like we're trading off a 2-3 year old car with 30K miles.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

I'm sure the Macan is great, but 0-60 in the 5.8 to 6-second range confirms my belief that my Maverick is a very affordable "sleeper" vehicle.

I was wondering that myself. 261hp won’t win any bragging contests.

qbrozen

@kyfdx said:
Well... it's my wife's car.

Personally, I'm not fond of Audi steering feel.

1. Oh, I get it. I wouldn’t get my wife the quicker one, either.
2. But now you are contradicting yourself. How does the wife feel about the steering? I’m guessing she doesn’t notice such a thing. My wife, on the other hand, would care about the badge, sadly. Although she wouldn’t admit it.

One advantage to the Porsche is better value retention, though. No idea how it stacks up vs the higher purchase price, though.

corvette

kyfdx said:

Well... it's my wife's car.

Personally, I'm not fond of Audi steering feel.

I don't mind the steering feel, but the DSG in my mom's 2018 Q5 leaves a lot to be desired.

sda

The ZF conventional automatic in our 16 Q5 is smooth and responsive enough for our needs. In the congested traffic of stop and go it isn’t somewhat jerky as the DSG can be. The Aisin automatic in the Arteon performs similarly to that of the Q5 ZF even though they are distinctly different.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

@kyfdx said:

Well... it's my wife's car.

Personally, I'm not fond of Audi steering feel.

1. Oh, I get it. I wouldn’t get my wife the quicker one, either.
2. But now you are contradicting yourself. How does the wife feel about the steering? I’m guessing she doesn’t notice such a thing. My wife, on the other hand, would care about the badge, sadly. Although she wouldn’t admit it.

One advantage to the Porsche is better value retention, though. No idea how it stacks up vs the higher purchase price, though.

My wife has driven BMWs for the last 20+ years. (3-series and X3s). Steering that is heavy on-center, that takes a little effort, and tracks well are important to her. She just doesn't care much about acceleration, as long as it's decent. If it was my car, I'd probably want an S.

The Audi Q5s we've driven have over-boosted steering, and a lot of body roll in turns. The Macan has attributes closer to her present vehicle. (that's our experience).

She has always admired the look of the Macan. But, she wasn't sure until she drove it. Seating position, visibility, etc are important to her. After two test drives, she is sold. Her main concern is less rear seat room and cargo capacity. You know, for the three days per year that someone is in the back seat.

When you're 67 yrs old, and you've driven three straight cars of the same make/model (over the last 16 years), making a switch is hard.

kyfdx

kyfdx said:

My wife says I can go to Louisville and buy this one, she won't even need to go with me.

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/details/porsche-macan-preowned-G8LQWQ?model=macan&position=40205,38.2214782,-85.67944340000001,50&order=closest&page=3

If you scroll, there is a link to the actual new car sticker.

Also, one nice thing about this unit.. It's under warranty until March 1st, 2030.

stickguy

Loaded. I cant get my head around paying almost $8k for a paint color and different wheels.

Chalk seems ok but I’d like to see it in daylight. But that interior is way too dark and somber.

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Loaded. I cant get my head around paying almost $8k for a paint color and different wheels.

Chalk seems ok but I’d like to see it in daylight. But that interior is way too dark and somber.

Yeah.. tried to get her to go for Red. The gray is slightly better than black, but rare. At least the black leather is a little richer looking, and has the stitching. The other standard interior is Black/Beige. But, the beige is uninspiring. She said Gray was better, but if not, she'd pick black.

Looking at Porsche option prices will make you nauseous. On service loaners, we try to find the one she wants, and just look at what we're paying for it. One reason for going out of town, maybe: The local 2024 models had terrible looking 21" wheels, and they weren't CPO, so just 3.5 years of warranty.

This is the one we were looking at locally. $500 higher asking. Ugly 21" wheels (vs. 20") and $6000 less in options. Also, no CPO, so two years less warranty.

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/details/porsche-macan-preowned-DQKNVP?mediacampaignid=31225770_&utm_campaign=_2024AONFinder_&campaigncountry_region=_US_&utm_medium=_PaidSearch_&campaignmodel=_PorscheFinder_&campaignsubtopic=_Other_&campaignlanguage=_English_&utm_source=_GoogleAds_&utm_content=_sitelink_&campaignaddonparameter=_finder-sitelinks_&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAudG5BhAREiwAWMlSjEDKD8j5p4rYd6kM6QrqdWoF8WutJ4PMvsoaxiJzzKtPUSPf6n--rhoCF8IQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&model=macan&position=45249,39.2708955,-84.3279093,50&order=closest&page=3

kyfdx

The color is that flat gray cement color, but lighter than what you'd see on a Kia, or a domestic. It isn't beige or creamy at all.

stickguy

So head to Lou-ville and snap it up

explorerx4

I don't think I've ever seen anything in the gauge cluster for tire type before 20" (AS).
Picture 19 of 27 on the Louisville Macan.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

I don't think I've ever seen anything in the gauge cluster for tire type before 20" (AS).
Picture 19 of 27 on the Louisville Macan.

Yeah, me either..

kyfdx

stickguy said:

So head to Lou-ville and snap it up

Lou-ah-vul, to be precise.

kyfdx

One negative compared to the local one. Pirelli Scorpion instead of Pilot Sport A/S.

Positive, compare to her X3

Full-height donut spare, and non-runflat tires.

X3 has no spare and runflats

Michaell

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:

So head to Lou-ville and snap it up

Lou-ah-vul, to be precise.

We have a Lou-is-ville here in Colorado....

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

We drove this car, today.
2003 retired service loaner
Original sticker of $73K+
8000 miles
$56K asking
https://www.porscheofthevillage.com/inventory/used-2023-porsche-macan-awd-4d-sport-utility-wp1aa2a57plb07612/

It's also CPO. 2 years, 2 months left on original warranty. 2 more years on CPO warranty, after that.

Plainville Road? Is this the same dealership that used to be at King's Automall?

ab348

stickguy said:

Loaded. I cant get my head around paying almost $8k for a paint color and different wheels.

Chalk seems ok but I’d like to see it in daylight. But that interior is way too dark and somber.

Harry Metcalfe of the Harry’s Garage YT channel just reviewed the latest Maserati coupe which he mostly liked (except for the screen controlling too many functions) but was astounded that the sticker of the press car had an upcharge for paint of £29,000!

kyfdx

@graphicguy Nope, Kings is still there (Joseph dealership)

This one is on the border of Mariemont and Madisonville. Used to be a co-branded Porsche/Audi store on Beechmont.

roadburner

I've already been contacted by the Morgan dealer in Chicago as well as the Morgan factory in the UK. Apparently most will be built to order, but the Chicago dealer will keep one as a demonstrator. Now to crunch some numbers...

au1994

The 261hp in the Q5 is pretty zippy by the seat of the pants feel. It will also cruise quietly at 80+ all day long.

suydam

I have never bought the same make/model twice. I have owned Mazdas and Hondas but not in a row and never the same model. It always seems my vehicles needs have changed and/or there is something new on the market I want to try.
Then again, I don’t shop in the lofty vehicle realm many of you occupy — Porches, Bimmers and such!
That might be a fun survey — how many of you have bought the same make/model repeatedly (excluding @breid here, who does that but rarely in sequence!)?

stickguy

Back to back RDXs but 7 years apart. Complete redesign so not quite the same car. Don’t think I ever did it for my car. I’m usually all over the place.

Michaell

I know I've mentioned this before, but almost had two of the same model in the garage at the same time.

First wife bought a '91 Mazda Protege LX in dark blue, with an automatic.

A few months later, it was my turn to shop, and I found a light blue LX with a stick. But, I was fixated on a coupe or 2-door sedan and ended up with my '91 Nissan Sentra SE.

sda

1996, 1998 Mazda Millenia L. The 96 was a 24 mo lease, the 98 a purchase with a huge discount. Both great cars.

roadburner

I bought a 1969 Datsun SPL311 in 1977. In 1994 I bought a 1993 Pathfinder SE.
From 1998 to 2001 my wife drove a 1998 318ti while I had my Club Sport parked next to it.

nyccarguy

Some final details and of course some pics (or it didn’t happen).

The final lease agreement shows 8% off sticker and only $1,500ish in negative equity. It was a win for them since they had 3 payments left, were way over the mileage, and their ‘22 wasn’t in the best shape. They still managed to sneak in A $300 pre paid maintenance even though they said they didn’t want it. I’ve already put a call into the sales dude and am waiting to hear back.

corvette

In terms of duplicate cars, I've had both a Grand Am and a G6, two Altimas (both white), and three Jettas. None were back to back, though!

kyfdx

My wife leased three Accords in a row: '97, '99, '01
Two 3-series: '03 Sedan, '05 Convertible
Three X3s: '08, '11, '17

Me: 2 CR-Vs: '98, '02

au1994

Nice Lexus @nyccarguy. The RX actually pulls off the grill pretty well.

But man, what an ordeal with this dealer!

nyccarguy

We had 2 Pilots in a row (2011 & 2017), but they were completely different body styles.

My 2019 Tacoma & 2023 Tacoma are the same color, engine, transmission, and cab configuration. The '23 is a 5' bed while the '19 had a 6' bed.

My parents however find something they like and stick to it. This '24 RX350 is my Mom's 3rd in a row ('20 & '22). She had 2 Cayennes ('11 & '16) that were identical except for color. My Mom & Dad combined for 3 different X5s from 2 different eras ('04, '07, & '13). My Dad has owned a '10, '11, '15, & '23 Tahoe as well as an '18 Yukon that was exactly the same as the '15 Tahoe.

sda

89 Jetta Wolfsburg, 95 and 00 Jetta GLX VR-6, 90 Passat GL, 99 Passat GLS, 06 Passat 2.0T, 18 Passat SE/tech. None back to back,

au1994

Let me see...07 and 21 Wrangler. Wildly different. One was a 2 dr soft top, the other a 4 dr hardtop and hybrid. Grand Cherokee now.

328i coupe and 335i sedan back to back. Also had an E46 convertible and E93. I had the F30 sedan and E46 convertible concurrently.

BMW SUV wise, we have had the X1 and an X6. The latter is still my wife's all time favorite.

3 Honda products, Accord, TSX and MDX.

That's the only repeats I can think of.

explorerx4

See above for my member name, although the number is a bit low now.

xwesx

My family has had eight Subarus (if I include my son's 2009 Forester). Three of those are SH (third generation) Foresters, also a 2008 Forester, three Outbacks (1996, 2007, 2008), and a Crosstrek.

kyfdx

When I was in high school, a family with 8 children had five Mavericks at one time. Probably 8-10 of them, over a decade.

Sandman6472

See they bought up in Mt. Kisco. We weren't to far from there growing up in Westchester. Nice part of New York, close to the city & New Jersey where my dad worked and had a factory. And close to Connecticut where we spent our summers. Hope to get back there one more time before I exit this earth though traveling is a bit rough for me right now.

Closed the front passenger door at work yesterday morning and the blue plastic covering on top of the mirror flew off. Tried to get it back on but no luck. After a few tries, seemed to get it lined up properly and after a few hard hits, the top and sides felt like they were getting a grip and adjusting the bottom, all the sides were back in their grooves. Didn't fall off on the way home and looks pretty good right now. Was just afraid I'd hit a bump and it would pop of while I was driving but so far...so good. Looks like I dodged another bullet here and that top part just came out of the grooves holding it in place. Electric turn signal in the mirror assembly works fine. Will probably fold that mirror in manually when I pull in/out of the garage for awhile. We did talk about taking out that closet we added years ago which would give us the extra width we need. Think when we do the pendants in the kitchen, we'll just hire someone who does electric and drywall to fix these couple of issues for us. Since we've decided to stay for awhile, might just be worth it.

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

Nice Lexus @nyccarguy. The RX actually pulls off the grill pretty well.

But man, what an ordeal with this dealer!

Yes, it’s a nice car but after all those tricks to sneak in a $300 charge they say they didn’t want is incredible. I’d give them the worst survey they ever saw and return it to them tied to a brick through the window.😤

tifighter

Uh, well I have had a few Teslas.

[Deleted User]

I got my first Toyota truck in 1988 after watching Back to the Future. The current Tacoma is number eight.

tjc78

I’ve had several brand repeats (Toyota x3 and Buick x3)… 2 of the Buicks were nearly identical Enclaves (2015 and 2017).

We also owned two white on white Volvos.. S60 and XC90

qbrozen

Two S70s
Two 190Es
Two Town & Countrys

Oh and two Mustangs, although 48 model years apart. And two Cherokees, but both parts cars. And, if so inclined to count them, a 300z and 350z.

I think that’s all of them.

Heck, I haven’t even had the same pickup twice. One Dakota, one B2000, one F150, and one Sierra. Although I did drive my dad’s F250 a bit but never put it in my name.

oldfarmer50

I have been all over the place except for German cars. A few rare Japanese cars. Up until recently I had one each of the big three Detroit offerings. Now we have 3 Fords a Kia and a Chrysler.