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RSX is toast after 06 I believe. At least that's what I have been seeing.
tC $17269 MSRP CarsDirect price $17269
Thats the great Toyota/Scion Toyoguard (trash) package on many vehicles in the Southeast Toyota distributor region.
But even using your numbers, how does $16288-$16515 = 1-2000 dollars as you said. Looks like a savings of $227 to me.
We will see with a 160hp, standard curtains, etc. and still far greater fuel economy how they stack up in 2006.
-SiK99
Coupe:
DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi, SI, SI-Navi, SI HP-T, SI HPT-Navi
Sedan:
DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi
New colors include:
Royal Blue, Alabaster Silver, Galaxy Gray, Atomic Blue Pearl
Ivory and Gray are the interior colors for the Sedan, Ivory, Gray and Black for the coupe.
So, yes a Navigation system will be here in the new Civic..I just wonder if Leather will be standard with the navigation system or if leather will be offered at all?
There will be two options from the matrix I see at hondapreview.com; a civic hybrid and a civic hybrid with navigation.
For the current civic hybrid, there is only one trim, but two transmission choices; a cvt or a mt.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=376032
Umm.,, lets see.
Scion tC: (CarsDirect Price: $16,515)
+17 inch wheels
+40lft torque
+1-2 second faster 0-60
+dual moonroofs
+Reclining Rear Seats
+Knee Air Bag
Civic Ex SplEd : (CarsDirect Price: $16,288)
+8mpg
+6 CD changer
-15 inch wheels
-bland styling.
You have to be honda saleman or seriously high to think Civic is the better deal.
tC does not have 6 disk changer, it is a $394 option, so why adding Special edition to Civic?. Compare Civic Coupe to tC, since tC is a coupe.
Civic = $15,627
The difference is closer to $1000. City MPG difference is 10 mpg
Carsdirect.com
NV = Navi
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050706-3.htm
Honda develops new 1.8-litre i-VTEC engine
Toronto, Ontario - Honda Canada has announced that it will introduce a new 1.8-litre i-VTEC engine this fall in the new 2006 Honda Civic coupe and sedan models. The new engine will achieve more powerful performance and enhanced fuel economy.
The new engine uses an "intelligent" i-VTEC system that switches the valve timing for maximum efficiency during start-up and acceleration to achieve powerful performance and torque output, and then delays intake valve closure timing during cruising and other low-load conditions for enhanced fuel economy. The company reports that the engine has the off-the-line acceleration performance at low rpm equivalent to a 2.0-litre engine, with fuel economy up to six per cent better than the current 1.7-litre Civic engine.
Other innovations include a variable-length intake manifold for improved torque delivery, and piston oil jets to reduce piston operating temperatures. Overall, the new engine delivers a maximum output of 140 horsepower and 128 lb-ft of torque. It is also shorter, lighter and quieter than the current 1.7-litre engine.
New Features:
Coupe and Sedan
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
Otherwise, all this news about new features and the announcement of the new 1.8L look incredibly promising.
~alpha
Read all about it.
There's big news with the recent engine announcement for the 2006 Civic.
Greater horsepower, increased torque and improved fuel economy are just a few of the things you can expect under the hood. But the changes don't end there. The Civic has been redesigned from bumper to bumper, adding tons of new comfort features, engineering upgrades and inspired styling. It is transformation at its best.
Visit our Web site to view the full press release.
go to http://automobiles.honda.com/civics/email.aspx
Frond end styling: Honda > Toyota
Rear end styling: Toyota > Honda
Theres no way I personally would rule a vehicle out by one single statistic. (Unless of course the car couldnt hit 60 in under 13 seconds or something absurd).
~alpha
Coupe and Sedan
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
The info was taken down from the hondapreview.com site. Do you think the MY06 Accord will also get a audio system with MP3/WMA playback as well as the aux. jack ? :shades:
The SI coupe will have a 6spd. manual (haven't heard if an autmatic will be available)
And the Hybird will be automatic only (not sure if its CVT, but probably is.)
Most people think the regular Civics using the new R-series engine will likely have 5MT and 5AT automatics; mind you, Honda could pull a fast one and introduce a variant of their Multimatic CVT used on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) Elysion minivan for the DX/LX/EX Civic models.
I see that the new Civic SI will have a high compression engine, probably signaling that it will require, once again, high test.
In today's market of rising fuel costs I think that's a foolish move and will undoubtedly cost them sales.
Unless somebody has heard that it can run on regular.
I think you're thinking about the mid-model change (MMC) 2006 Accord, which will offer a six-speed manual transmission with the V-6 engine (now rated at 250 bhp SAE). Mind you, the 6MT on the 2006 Accord will likely have 5th and 6th gears as overdrive gears, so it's not a performance-oriented transmission.
The DX sounds fairly well-equipped. I hope there isn't a catch, like having a stereo with only 2 speakers standard
Considering with the current Civic you have to pay for an EX model to get ABS, I'll definitely consider a lower or mid-level 06+ Civic as my next car.
Honda is finally getting it with their Safety for Everyone campaign, and I think it will help boost sales on these lower and mid-level vehicles (at least for sales to budget-conscious customers who still want ABS but who won't have to purchase a cheaper competitor's model anymore, as the Civic won't necessarily cost $3-4K more for that certain level of equipment).
Even with these issues, I guess I'll agree with you that certain former Dodge owners would be thrilled with a slightly buggy first-year Civic
I would be very surprised if Honda introduced the Antonov Automatic Transmission on the 2006 Civic, even though Honda (I believe) licensed the technology a few years ago. But if Honda did succeed with the Antonov AAD on the 2006 Civic, we maybe talking not just a five-speed automatic but a six-speed automatic that would take up a lot less space and weight than the traditional hydraulic-based automatics that use a torque converter. That could result in surprisingly good acceleration and fuel efficiency, to say the least.
Which brings up a question I've had... why can't ABS be like traction control where it comes on when you start the vehicle, but if you want to shut it off there's a switch? That would be the best of both worlds.
So hopefully that posting was about the Accord, and not the Civic; and people who don't like ABS still have an option.
Takeo Fukui stated a long time ago (1/2 a year ago), that due to the Safety for Everyone campaign, EVERY civic will come standard with ABS and six airbags.
But if you cant afford the gas, then dont buy an Si. Just get the regular civic coupe.
However, if you really want to, I believe there are two ways to disable ABS.
1) Pull out ABS Fuse. ABS light will be on, but ABS will be disabled.
2) Pull up parking brake 2 or 3 clicks. Drive around for a quarter mile. I believe the ABS will be disabled until the next turn on/turn off cycle.
I know these tricks worked for the gen3 integra, not sure if it will work on a civic.
I just think its kind of stupid for Honda to be releasing yet another Civic that requires high test. Especially with this market. Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
if they wanted to impress they could release an SI model that performs well on regular.
me: Exactly!! It seems rather silly to pay an extra $5K or so for an Si, pay more tax and registration. probably pay higher insurance, and then worry about a $0.20/gal difference. At 15 gal/week that would cost the Si owner a whole $3 more per week.
If you're cutting the budget that tight to buy an Si, don't buy it!!
Your post #395 contains one of the most unique "takes" on the usefulness of antilock brakes that I've ever seen or heard of. My experience is completely different from yours. ABS has saved my butt several times, on snow, ice, gravel and wet roads. I would never consider purchasing a vehicle without this amazing safety technology, no less than actually trying to defeat its features.
The usual way to get high output without using high compression (and premium fuel) would be greater displacement. But this would mean less fuel economy and greater emissions. Wouldn't that be against one of the core values of HMC?
me: Subaru, Mitsu, Dodge, Chevy, and maybe a few others I'm missing are all doing well with performance versions of small cars.
you: Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
me: I'm reading this board and I can go buy a Viper or 911 for cash tomorrow. But instead of spending $90K on a car, many people would find it sensible to pay $20K for a fun car. On my 30 mile commute the speed limit is no higher than 55mph. I think an Si would make a great commuter car, and so would the standard Civic. More than enough power in either it sounds like for the car.
-SiK99