tC $17269 MSRP CarsDirect price $17269 Thats the great Toyota/Scion Toyoguard (trash) package on many vehicles in the Southeast Toyota distributor region.
But even using your numbers, how does $16288-$16515 = 1-2000 dollars as you said. Looks like a savings of $227 to me.
We will see with a 160hp, standard curtains, etc. and still far greater fuel economy how they stack up in 2006.
I too have heard that the RSX is toast soon. Otherwise yes, the civic si will take some sales away. Either way though it won't cost as much as the RSX (unless they are feelin saucy and offer a factory "upgraded" version of the Si with some of the stuff that was on the concept, like brembos)
The following models will be offered on the new Civic.
Coupe: DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi, SI, SI-Navi, SI HP-T, SI HPT-Navi
Sedan: DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi
New colors include: Royal Blue, Alabaster Silver, Galaxy Gray, Atomic Blue Pearl
Ivory and Gray are the interior colors for the Sedan, Ivory, Gray and Black for the coupe.
So, yes a Navigation system will be here in the new Civic..I just wonder if Leather will be standard with the navigation system or if leather will be offered at all?
There is a civic hybrid, spy pics were already taken of it. In the pic it shows the white sedan from the rear, you can tell its a hybrid since it has the rear mount antenna and lip spoiler.
There will be two options from the matrix I see at hondapreview.com; a civic hybrid and a civic hybrid with navigation.
For the current civic hybrid, there is only one trim, but two transmission choices; a cvt or a mt.
So you can drop that pipe now. Umm.,, lets see. Scion tC: (CarsDirect Price: $16,515) +17 inch wheels +40lft torque +1-2 second faster 0-60 +dual moonroofs +Reclining Rear Seats +Knee Air Bag
Civic Ex SplEd : (CarsDirect Price: $16,288) +8mpg +6 CD changer -15 inch wheels -bland styling.
You have to be honda saleman or seriously high to think Civic is the better deal.
tC does not have 6 disk changer, it is a $394 option, so why adding Special edition to Civic?. Compare Civic Coupe to tC, since tC is a coupe. Civic = $15,627
The difference is closer to $1000. City MPG difference is 10 mpg
Toronto, Ontario - Honda Canada has announced that it will introduce a new 1.8-litre i-VTEC engine this fall in the new 2006 Honda Civic coupe and sedan models. The new engine will achieve more powerful performance and enhanced fuel economy.
The new engine uses an "intelligent" i-VTEC system that switches the valve timing for maximum efficiency during start-up and acceleration to achieve powerful performance and torque output, and then delays intake valve closure timing during cruising and other low-load conditions for enhanced fuel economy. The company reports that the engine has the off-the-line acceleration performance at low rpm equivalent to a 2.0-litre engine, with fuel economy up to six per cent better than the current 1.7-litre Civic engine.
Other innovations include a variable-length intake manifold for improved torque delivery, and piston oil jets to reduce piston operating temperatures. Overall, the new engine delivers a maximum output of 140 horsepower and 128 lb-ft of torque. It is also shorter, lighter and quieter than the current 1.7-litre engine.
All of you are far more expert than I am in car buying so I was wondering what your opinion was about buying a honda, specifically the 2006 Civic, in its first model year. I have generally heard that is not a good idea but I am pretty motivated to buy a car this fall. I am limping along with a '94 dodge shadow, no AC, runs fine but I worry constantly about safety as it has only one airbag for driver and seems like a tin can. I have never bought a new car before and would hate to buy the 2006 civic, which is way more than I have ever spent on a car, only to have glitches or problems. Would you all wait a year or buy in the fall. Please advise!
Based on the "glitches" with the '01 Civic and '03 Accord, I'd favor waiting at least a year to buy the new Civic (but then, I don't need a new car until the fall of '06). But maybe the '06 Civic will be such a great package that you won't want to wait.
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
but the new Civic is worse-looking than the current one! It has an Accord-ish front end, a relatively sedate rear end and overall very nondescript lines. Still, the new engines look appealing and the amount of standard features is nice.
Styling is very subjective, but I really hope the Sedan's rear end treatment isnt actually that shown on the Edmunds.com spy pics. Its very very bland, bordering on ugly. I actually like the profile and front end of the new Civic though. Honda seems to really struggle with hindquarter styling, given this new Civic and the current dumpy Accord.
Otherwise, all this news about new features and the announcement of the new 1.8L look incredibly promising.
There's big news with the recent engine announcement for the 2006 Civic.
Greater horsepower, increased torque and improved fuel economy are just a few of the things you can expect under the hood. But the changes don't end there. The Civic has been redesigned from bumper to bumper, adding tons of new comfort features, engineering upgrades and inspired styling. It is transformation at its best.
Visit our Web site to view the full press release.
But the coupe's rear is GREAT, similar to Scion tC. I agree the front is very good too (much better the bland Scion tC front). But even current civics and accords have very good fronts already. As a rule of thumb, I find that for their many of thier best selling cars (civic, accord, CRV vs camry, scion tC, RAV4) - the equation below holds true
Frond end styling: Honda > Toyota Rear end styling: Toyota > Honda
Will only buy if it's less then 7 seconds. But I really hope it could do it in 6.5 sec or less. Reality check: RSX-S can do it in 6.2 sec but civic will probably weigh more. Any thoughts/info ?
Is it really that significant a difference to you if the Civic Si needs 7.2 seconds as compared to something that hits 60 in 6.8? Why?
Theres no way I personally would rule a vehicle out by one single statistic. (Unless of course the car couldnt hit 60 in under 13 seconds or something absurd).
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
The info was taken down from the hondapreview.com site. Do you think the MY06 Accord will also get a audio system with MP3/WMA playback as well as the aux. jack ? :shades:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me by looking at the 2006 pictures of the the civic sedan, if the blinds spots appear to be larger than on the current 2005 models. I'm trying to decide on a 2005 or holding out on a 2006. I'd appreciate any opinions.
It's really hard to tell from those photos because the cars have tape on them to disguise them. I doubt the C pillars are as big as they appear to be in the photos.
...Other than the fact the Civic Si coupé will have a 6MT transmission, probably close-ratio in the first five gears with the six gear using an overdrive ratio.
Most people think the regular Civics using the new R-series engine will likely have 5MT and 5AT automatics; mind you, Honda could pull a fast one and introduce a variant of their Multimatic CVT used on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) Elysion minivan for the DX/LX/EX Civic models.
the gas price increases I would consider a 2006 Civic. It has a lot of features that I want with great gas mileage. However, there are rumors of a 6-speed V6 sedan. If that's the case then I will have no choice but to go that route. If the rumor turns out to be untrue then I will look to the Civic or keep my 04 Accord EX-L.
I drive a 99 Civic SI, probably one of the finest cars ever built and up to this point I haven't minded (much) paying for the required premium. I see that the new Civic SI will have a high compression engine, probably signaling that it will require, once again, high test. In today's market of rising fuel costs I think that's a foolish move and will undoubtedly cost them sales. Unless somebody has heard that it can run on regular.
I think you're thinking about the mid-model change (MMC) 2006 Accord, which will offer a six-speed manual transmission with the V-6 engine (now rated at 250 bhp SAE). Mind you, the 6MT on the 2006 Accord will likely have 5th and 6th gears as overdrive gears, so it's not a performance-oriented transmission.
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS...
The DX sounds fairly well-equipped. I hope there isn't a catch, like having a stereo with only 2 speakers standard
Considering with the current Civic you have to pay for an EX model to get ABS, I'll definitely consider a lower or mid-level 06+ Civic as my next car.
Honda is finally getting it with their Safety for Everyone campaign, and I think it will help boost sales on these lower and mid-level vehicles (at least for sales to budget-conscious customers who still want ABS but who won't have to purchase a cheaper competitor's model anymore, as the Civic won't necessarily cost $3-4K more for that certain level of equipment).
As a Honda owner for my entire driving life (i'm 33, first car when I was 17) I can HIGHLY recommend ANY Honda to anyone who is looking for a good value, near bulletproof reliability and good resale value. My first car was a 1983 Honda Prelude. I got it with 170,000 miles from the second owner. I kept it until it reached 320,000 miles and I never had a single problem with it, just oil changes and only one tune up. Amazing. If you owned a Dodge I'm sure you'll be thrilled with the Honda. No need to buy an extended warranty but if you feel unsure about a first year car buy the extended warranty for peace of mind, but you really won't need it. My experience with Honda is first class and I wouldn't personally bother with any other product, not Toyota, not Nissan, nothing. Plus, it's rumored that Honda is going to put the Antonov automatic transmissions into their civic lineup, and from what I've read, they're supposed to be the most rugged, reliable and smoothest transmissions on the planet. So yah, go for the Honda. Also, check out a Costco membership (or similar) and get the car for $400 under invoice...that's what I did!! Go Honda!
Unfortunately, we still have the 01 Civic and 03 Accord launches as proof that Honda isn't perfect. Don't forget about all the automatic transmission issues as well (that's more an issue with the Accord than the Civic, of course).
Even with these issues, I guess I'll agree with you that certain former Dodge owners would be thrilled with a slightly buggy first-year Civic
I think there's alot of confusion about the features since they were both posted on another web site - I think those features pertain to the 06 Accord and not Civic.
Plus, it's rumored that Honda is going to put the Antonov automatic transmissions into their civic lineup, and from what I've read, they're supposed to be the most rugged, reliable and smoothest transmissions on the planet.
I would be very surprised if Honda introduced the Antonov Automatic Transmission on the 2006 Civic, even though Honda (I believe) licensed the technology a few years ago. But if Honda did succeed with the Antonov AAD on the 2006 Civic, we maybe talking not just a five-speed automatic but a six-speed automatic that would take up a lot less space and weight than the traditional hydraulic-based automatics that use a torque converter. That could result in surprisingly good acceleration and fuel efficiency, to say the least.
I think it's a good idea that ABS remains an option, as I find that most times I have to jam on the brakes is in the winter. And on snow and ice ABS increases your stopping distances, sometimes several car lengths. You have more control steering with ABS, but I absolutely don't like ABS in winter.
Which brings up a question I've had... why can't ABS be like traction control where it comes on when you start the vehicle, but if you want to shut it off there's a switch? That would be the best of both worlds.
So hopefully that posting was about the Accord, and not the Civic; and people who don't like ABS still have an option.
Those specs were provided by hondapreview.com; they have subsequently taken the info off their page at the request of HMC. Those specs were specific to the Honda Civic.
Takeo Fukui stated a long time ago (1/2 a year ago), that due to the Safety for Everyone campaign, EVERY civic will come standard with ABS and six airbags.
A car's engine is tuned and monitored by computer to 'expect' and compute for an octane rating over 90. At a 10:1 compression ration, put regular in that tank and you'll experience more than a slight degradation of performance.
I just think its kind of stupid for Honda to be releasing yet another Civic that requires high test. Especially with this market. Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
if they wanted to impress they could release an SI model that performs well on regular.
you: But if you cant afford the gas, then dont buy an Si. Just get the regular civic coupe.
me: Exactly!! It seems rather silly to pay an extra $5K or so for an Si, pay more tax and registration. probably pay higher insurance, and then worry about a $0.20/gal difference. At 15 gal/week that would cost the Si owner a whole $3 more per week.
If you're cutting the budget that tight to buy an Si, don't buy it!!
Your post #395 contains one of the most unique "takes" on the usefulness of antilock brakes that I've ever seen or heard of. My experience is completely different from yours. ABS has saved my butt several times, on snow, ice, gravel and wet roads. I would never consider purchasing a vehicle without this amazing safety technology, no less than actually trying to defeat its features.
Are there any high output I-4 engines on the market that provide >= 200hp with around 2.0 liters of displacement that only require regular grade fuel?
The usual way to get high output without using high compression (and premium fuel) would be greater displacement. But this would mean less fuel economy and greater emissions. Wouldn't that be against one of the core values of HMC?
you: I just think its kind of stupid for Honda to be releasing yet another Civic that requires high test.
me: Subaru, Mitsu, Dodge, Chevy, and maybe a few others I'm missing are all doing well with performance versions of small cars.
you: Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
me: I'm reading this board and I can go buy a Viper or 911 for cash tomorrow. But instead of spending $90K on a car, many people would find it sensible to pay $20K for a fun car. On my 30 mile commute the speed limit is no higher than 55mph. I think an Si would make a great commuter car, and so would the standard Civic. More than enough power in either it sounds like for the car.
I too drove a 99 Civic Si but I ran regular. I had no problems running regular either. Unless you plan on modding your car out with expensive upgrades, don't worry about it. Its a honda....'nuff said.
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RSX is toast after 06 I believe. At least that's what I have been seeing.
tC $17269 MSRP CarsDirect price $17269
Thats the great Toyota/Scion Toyoguard (trash) package on many vehicles in the Southeast Toyota distributor region.
But even using your numbers, how does $16288-$16515 = 1-2000 dollars as you said. Looks like a savings of $227 to me.
We will see with a 160hp, standard curtains, etc. and still far greater fuel economy how they stack up in 2006.
-SiK99
Coupe:
DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi, SI, SI-Navi, SI HP-T, SI HPT-Navi
Sedan:
DX, LX, EX, EX-Navi
New colors include:
Royal Blue, Alabaster Silver, Galaxy Gray, Atomic Blue Pearl
Ivory and Gray are the interior colors for the Sedan, Ivory, Gray and Black for the coupe.
So, yes a Navigation system will be here in the new Civic..I just wonder if Leather will be standard with the navigation system or if leather will be offered at all?
There will be two options from the matrix I see at hondapreview.com; a civic hybrid and a civic hybrid with navigation.
For the current civic hybrid, there is only one trim, but two transmission choices; a cvt or a mt.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=376032
Umm.,, lets see.
Scion tC: (CarsDirect Price: $16,515)
+17 inch wheels
+40lft torque
+1-2 second faster 0-60
+dual moonroofs
+Reclining Rear Seats
+Knee Air Bag
Civic Ex SplEd : (CarsDirect Price: $16,288)
+8mpg
+6 CD changer
-15 inch wheels
-bland styling.
You have to be honda saleman or seriously high to think Civic is the better deal.
tC does not have 6 disk changer, it is a $394 option, so why adding Special edition to Civic?. Compare Civic Coupe to tC, since tC is a coupe.
Civic = $15,627
The difference is closer to $1000. City MPG difference is 10 mpg
Carsdirect.com
NV = Navi
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050706-3.htm
Honda develops new 1.8-litre i-VTEC engine
Toronto, Ontario - Honda Canada has announced that it will introduce a new 1.8-litre i-VTEC engine this fall in the new 2006 Honda Civic coupe and sedan models. The new engine will achieve more powerful performance and enhanced fuel economy.
The new engine uses an "intelligent" i-VTEC system that switches the valve timing for maximum efficiency during start-up and acceleration to achieve powerful performance and torque output, and then delays intake valve closure timing during cruising and other low-load conditions for enhanced fuel economy. The company reports that the engine has the off-the-line acceleration performance at low rpm equivalent to a 2.0-litre engine, with fuel economy up to six per cent better than the current 1.7-litre Civic engine.
Other innovations include a variable-length intake manifold for improved torque delivery, and piston oil jets to reduce piston operating temperatures. Overall, the new engine delivers a maximum output of 140 horsepower and 128 lb-ft of torque. It is also shorter, lighter and quieter than the current 1.7-litre engine.
New Features:
Coupe and Sedan
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
Otherwise, all this news about new features and the announcement of the new 1.8L look incredibly promising.
~alpha
Read all about it.
There's big news with the recent engine announcement for the 2006 Civic.
Greater horsepower, increased torque and improved fuel economy are just a few of the things you can expect under the hood. But the changes don't end there. The Civic has been redesigned from bumper to bumper, adding tons of new comfort features, engineering upgrades and inspired styling. It is transformation at its best.
Visit our Web site to view the full press release.
go to http://automobiles.honda.com/civics/email.aspx
Frond end styling: Honda > Toyota
Rear end styling: Toyota > Honda
Theres no way I personally would rule a vehicle out by one single statistic. (Unless of course the car couldnt hit 60 in under 13 seconds or something absurd).
~alpha
Coupe and Sedan
DX - Power Windows, 15" wheels, daytime running lights, front, front-side, and curtain airbags, ABS.
LX (adds to DX) - Body-Colored mirrors and door handles, 16" wheels, keyless entry, 160-watt audio system with MP3/WMA playback.
EX (adds to LX) - 16" Alloy Wheels, steering wheel mounted audio controls, MP3 auxiliary jack, XM ready head unit, and available satellite navigation system with voice recognition.
Hybrid - many EX features including satellite navigation option. Increased styling differentiation from the standard sedans.
The info was taken down from the hondapreview.com site. Do you think the MY06 Accord will also get a audio system with MP3/WMA playback as well as the aux. jack ? :shades:
The SI coupe will have a 6spd. manual (haven't heard if an autmatic will be available)
And the Hybird will be automatic only (not sure if its CVT, but probably is.)
Most people think the regular Civics using the new R-series engine will likely have 5MT and 5AT automatics; mind you, Honda could pull a fast one and introduce a variant of their Multimatic CVT used on the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) Elysion minivan for the DX/LX/EX Civic models.
I see that the new Civic SI will have a high compression engine, probably signaling that it will require, once again, high test.
In today's market of rising fuel costs I think that's a foolish move and will undoubtedly cost them sales.
Unless somebody has heard that it can run on regular.
I think you're thinking about the mid-model change (MMC) 2006 Accord, which will offer a six-speed manual transmission with the V-6 engine (now rated at 250 bhp SAE). Mind you, the 6MT on the 2006 Accord will likely have 5th and 6th gears as overdrive gears, so it's not a performance-oriented transmission.
The DX sounds fairly well-equipped. I hope there isn't a catch, like having a stereo with only 2 speakers standard
Considering with the current Civic you have to pay for an EX model to get ABS, I'll definitely consider a lower or mid-level 06+ Civic as my next car.
Honda is finally getting it with their Safety for Everyone campaign, and I think it will help boost sales on these lower and mid-level vehicles (at least for sales to budget-conscious customers who still want ABS but who won't have to purchase a cheaper competitor's model anymore, as the Civic won't necessarily cost $3-4K more for that certain level of equipment).
Even with these issues, I guess I'll agree with you that certain former Dodge owners would be thrilled with a slightly buggy first-year Civic
I would be very surprised if Honda introduced the Antonov Automatic Transmission on the 2006 Civic, even though Honda (I believe) licensed the technology a few years ago. But if Honda did succeed with the Antonov AAD on the 2006 Civic, we maybe talking not just a five-speed automatic but a six-speed automatic that would take up a lot less space and weight than the traditional hydraulic-based automatics that use a torque converter. That could result in surprisingly good acceleration and fuel efficiency, to say the least.
Which brings up a question I've had... why can't ABS be like traction control where it comes on when you start the vehicle, but if you want to shut it off there's a switch? That would be the best of both worlds.
So hopefully that posting was about the Accord, and not the Civic; and people who don't like ABS still have an option.
Takeo Fukui stated a long time ago (1/2 a year ago), that due to the Safety for Everyone campaign, EVERY civic will come standard with ABS and six airbags.
But if you cant afford the gas, then dont buy an Si. Just get the regular civic coupe.
However, if you really want to, I believe there are two ways to disable ABS.
1) Pull out ABS Fuse. ABS light will be on, but ABS will be disabled.
2) Pull up parking brake 2 or 3 clicks. Drive around for a quarter mile. I believe the ABS will be disabled until the next turn on/turn off cycle.
I know these tricks worked for the gen3 integra, not sure if it will work on a civic.
I just think its kind of stupid for Honda to be releasing yet another Civic that requires high test. Especially with this market. Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
if they wanted to impress they could release an SI model that performs well on regular.
me: Exactly!! It seems rather silly to pay an extra $5K or so for an Si, pay more tax and registration. probably pay higher insurance, and then worry about a $0.20/gal difference. At 15 gal/week that would cost the Si owner a whole $3 more per week.
If you're cutting the budget that tight to buy an Si, don't buy it!!
Your post #395 contains one of the most unique "takes" on the usefulness of antilock brakes that I've ever seen or heard of. My experience is completely different from yours. ABS has saved my butt several times, on snow, ice, gravel and wet roads. I would never consider purchasing a vehicle without this amazing safety technology, no less than actually trying to defeat its features.
The usual way to get high output without using high compression (and premium fuel) would be greater displacement. But this would mean less fuel economy and greater emissions. Wouldn't that be against one of the core values of HMC?
me: Subaru, Mitsu, Dodge, Chevy, and maybe a few others I'm missing are all doing well with performance versions of small cars.
you: Maybe they want to market to kids with no more financial obligations than their next trip to the mall.
me: I'm reading this board and I can go buy a Viper or 911 for cash tomorrow. But instead of spending $90K on a car, many people would find it sensible to pay $20K for a fun car. On my 30 mile commute the speed limit is no higher than 55mph. I think an Si would make a great commuter car, and so would the standard Civic. More than enough power in either it sounds like for the car.
-SiK99