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  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Do you have any of those "Pick a Part" wrecking yards? They don't list an inventory, but you can pay a small fee and prowl around with your tools.

    If I was heading down to LA or San Diego from the bay area I would stop at those places in LA. They used to all advertise in the Recycler (does that still exist?) and they would have coupons. A very popular alternate vehicle among my friends was a 22r based Toyota pickup, and those pick-a-part places seemed to have a lot of those.
    I can't seem to find one in Michigan, they want you to come in and basically order the part from them. The last 2x I have been to the salvage yard (passenger side mirror, tail light), the dealer was cheaper (with a coupon from the paper).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    I don't believe there are any left. They all seem to have turned into businesses that sell used parts, ya know? Like the mustang example i gave and andre's wheel example.

    These guys all figured out that they could make more money.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Oh, please tell me you thought to pull one lug nut from each of the other wheels to mount the spare tire and drive away. Please???

    Oh crap, I didn't even think of that one! I feel kinda dumb now. But wait, it gets worse. I didn't have my car that night; I let one of my roommates borrow it. He works in Annapolis and parks in the garage downtown. He came out after getting off work, about 2:00 in the morning, to find the car jacked up and the front wheel missing, lugnuts and all. He calls home, and it wakes up my other roommate. I'm a heavy sleeper, and could sleep through anything. God help me, if there's ever a fire, I don't think the smoke alarm would wake me up! Anyway, my roommate finally woke me up, and put me on the phone. I was still half asleep though, and the first thing I told him was to put on the spare and come home. Then he said they took the lugnuts too. So the sad thing is, it wasn't only me that didn't think to pull a lugnut off each of the other wheels, but neither of my roommates did, either! If they had an emotorcon for foot-in-mouth or "D'oh", I'd use it here. :P

    Anyway, the next day was Columbus Day, which I had off, and my roommate, who also had a broken foot in a cast (I dunno how much that would have hampered him wrestling around with the spare tire), so he spent the night with some friends in town, and the next morning I went to the junkyard, found the wheel/tire, and ran it up to the parking garage and put it on.

    I can't wait to see him tonite though, to tell him about that obvious little thing that never even occurred to any of us! :blush:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    One thing I just remembered, at least with the junkyard I deal with, is that often they won't let you pick smaller parts off of a car. For instance, they won't let you pull the head off of an engine because they'd rather sell the complete engine. I guess if it's a bad engine, that's a different story, but then you have no idea what kind of condition the head's in.

    Or, they might not let you take a piece off of a door, because they'd rather sell the complete door. Trim, window, lift mechanism, and all. Now if it's a smashed door, but still has some salvageable parts, they probably wouldn't care.

    Now on stuff that's really in-demand that they know they can sell quickly, they'll pull it out and sell it off and the car never makes it back into the yard. For instance, used 2.7's are a hot item with Intrepids, because they're very expensive to rebuild, ridiculously expensive to buy new, and tend to sludge up. So a good used 2.7 pretty much has a guaranteed home. As a result, just about every 1998+ 2.7 LH car in the yard had the engine pulled, unless it was a bad one. The Intrepid I pulled the wheel off of still had its engine, and "bad engine" was written on the hood.

    Now if it's something that hardly ever dies or that there's just not that much demand for, like a Mopar slant six or 318, chances are the car will go back into the yard, engine complete, even if it's in great shape. For instance, that '82 Mirada convertible I saw in there at the time had "good engine" and "good transmission" written on the hood. But then, there's just no demand for a smogger 318 with 130 hp. They were durable (the engines at least, not the whole car), so the failure rate was low. And nobody who's rebuilding a more desireable car is going to want to yank a smogger 318 out of a 1982 Mopar. And most people with a car with a similar engine are probably just going to junk the car when it does finally die.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    since I was a little kid. I told my fiance that sometime in this lifetime I'd like to have my own junkyard and walk around with grease stains all day taking stuff apart (like that mechanic dude from the movie U Turn. :P

    She slapped me silly cause she thought I lost my mind.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The junkyards in WA suck. No pull-a-parts that I know of. They also don't keep anything old in stock.

    Years ago I knew of a small-town yard that had 3 fintails in it, all there because they'd been crashed. I paid the place a visit and the guy running it let me have all the little pieces I could carry for $10. I could have had the 3 cars for $250 total. They still had their period radios in them, which I kick myself for not salvaging. Sadly, I only needed a couple little pieces.

    This place also had TONS of 50s-60s Detroit iron...it had been an operating junkyard in the 70s, then was caught up in some weird probate dispute or something for about 15 years. Many of the cars were very weathered, but had to be chock full of unusual little parts, and many odd cars were present. In the early 90s it opened back up for a couple years...then one day around 1996 or so, the owner had all the cars removed, and that was it. The fintails vanished before this point, which makes me hope someone took them to part them out. The place didn't seem to have a crusher...they just accumulated cars. It's a huge vacant tract today.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    likely, they also want to prevent you from wrecking another piece they could sell. In the pick-a-part days, folks were not averse to disassembling with a torch or sawsall.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Same here. I've always wanted to have a big place like that where I could experiment. It could be a final home for all those sad old cars I see that I don't want to see go to the crusher.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Here in Vancouver we have pick-a-part junkyards where you can go in and look around, and take stuff off, but usually they ask you what you're looking for before they let you in.

    One place here that I went to (for my 93 Civic) had a bunch of Hondas on these racks, stacked three cars high. There was huge sign at the office desk "no rack climbing"

    I come in, the guy says can I help you, I say "I'm here to climb your racks" :P :P

    He didn't get it at first, it was too ear;ly to crack jokes.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    in 1978 when my Granddad took me with him to get the parts for his 1953 DeSoto is still permanently ingrained in my mind. It's a place called Leon's auto salvage down on Route 29, just south of Culpeper VA.

    I went down there for a little joyride one day in 1992, roughly 14 years later. The strange thing is, I actually REMEMBERED a lot of the cars that were in there. Odd how one day-trip like that can stay in your mind in such vivid detail. I remembered seeing one car that I could identify as a DeSoto in 1978, as it had the teeth and a family resemblance to our '53. Even had what seemed to be the same shade of greenish/turqoise. I remember Granddad saying it was the wrong year, but he didn't tell me what year it was.

    That same car was still there in 1992. Turns out it was actually a 1955 Fireflite Coronado, one of the first triple-tone jobs from Detroit. Turqoise body, white spear, black roof. I also found the old dark bluish-green '53 that Granddad ultimately found in the yard to salvage parts from. It looked like we were the last people to pull anything off of it, as well, but what was left was totally shot, as it was rusted, had trees grown up around it, and some of the windows were down or broken out. I talked with the father and son who owned it, and they said they got that car in back in the early 60's. They'd had it fairly close up to the shop, but when they expanded and bought more land (back then it was cheaper to just buy more land than to crush the cars), the car actually got DRIVEN to its final resting palce.

    This place opened in 1961 or 1963, IIRC, and they didn't start crushing cars until around 1994. I went back fairly regularly for awhile just to explore, but I think the last time I was down there now was around 1997. It's over 100 acres, and there's something like 10,000 cars in there.

    I'd be kinda curious to go back now and see if much has changed.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I love junkyards too and I have an edge, my little brother works for one. Its kind of cool to see the new wrecks come in and its easy to get parts since he knows the inventory inside and out. The owners are cool, they don't mind me stopping in to visit him and wander around the yard. This is the junkyard that my Sebring came from. Right now they have a nice 96 Camry that just needs minor work, I was tempted, the price was right at $800.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    My most recent junkyard story is probably my most memorable. This was early in the spring of 2000.

    As a lead up (excessivly long post warning!):

    I lived in a little 12x14 cabin that sat adjacent (about 30' apart) to a 14x20 cabin, and we shared a driveway. The neighbor had this old, 70s Datsun pickup that looked about as good as it ran (neither of which was good at all)! Nonetheless, he kept this old junker running day after day, but as winter set in it started to become more and more unreliable. At one point, the master cylinder failed and he decided it would be more effective to find a different vehicle. He had a friend from Denali who had a white 80s Chevy van and was not using it since he was overseas. He contacted the guy and received permission to use it (he already had a key for it), so I drove him down to Denali on New Year's Day (amazingly fun drive that day with almost no traffic and about 8' of new snow on the road!) to retrieve it.

    Well, the only bad thing about this van is that it could not make it up the hill to the main road, so I would have to tow him up all the time. Basically, I gave him my schedule and said that if he wanted to go somewhere he would have to get me to tow him up when it fit in there! About two weeks after getting the van home, I towed him up before I went to work, as he had work about 2 hours later. He parked the van on the shoulder of the road and went back to his cabin. When he came out to go to work, the van was gone. It turns out it was towed by the State Troopers because it was a "visual obstruction." They would not give it back to him because he was not the registered owner! So, basically this was a death sentence for the van since it was accumulating impound fees and the owner was not scheduled to come home for another 4 months.

    Fast forward 3 days to Saturday. We decide to go junkyard hunting to find a master cylinder for his Datsun pickup. At the second place, the guys in the shop tell us where we can find a trio of old Datsuns. They said, "if you can get one off, you can have it for $5 with no guarantees." Oh, and it was about -25F this day. So, we go walking back into the yard about 1/2 mile, and find the trucks and a promising cylinder. I looked it over to guage what tools I would need, and we headed back to the car. On the way back, he is talking about something random and then, suddenly, "blah blah... wait a minute.... is that? It is! That is my van!" As we get back to the car and I am fumbling for the tools, he says he is going to go "check it out."

    So he goes, and I stick to the task of getting the master cylinder. As I am about 1/4 mile into the yard, I hear the van fire up and a few moments later a guy yells, "Hey! Hey!!! You can't take that!" And *zoom*, he's gone. I spent another 30 minutes trying to break that blessed master cylinder loose until my hands were nearly frozen. Finally I gave up, stopped in the shop to tell the guys I had no luck with it and "thanks anyway," then headed home.

    I had to chuckle at the irony of the whole situation. So, anyway, he got his truck running a few weeks later and took the van back to Denali as he did not want to take the chance of losing his friend's van again.
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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Jolie,

    We were in Alaska this summer and I couldn't figure out how to find you and buy you a cup of java, even though it seems there is a coffee shop on every corner, now.

    Wandered around Hatcher Pass, Palmer, Talketena, and stayed in Wasilla. My sister is the re-start coordinator for the Iditarod so we got to play with some sled puppies, too.

    Sorry we missed you.

    Jim (starbird)
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Jim,

    Awwww, bummer, would have been cool to meet you. We spent quite a bit of time in Talkeetna (montana creek) this summer. Rest of the time was spent up north of Denali Park. Should have just shot me a message on edmunds or the rv forum, I usually check them quite a bit in the summer. When you planning on coming back for a visit?

    Jolie
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Porsche 928: "easy fix"

    It's funny how people selling beaters always say easy fix, if it's so easy why don't they get it done. I guess it's easier to hide potential problems if a car is not running at all. :sick:

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Gee the parts are worth more than $800 on that 928.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    don't know, even though my sis has been up there for 30 years, this was just my second trip. I may have to go to China in January. May try to detour through there then. But it gets cold up in your neck of the woods!
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    don't know, even though my sis has been up there for 30 years, this was just my second trip. I may have to go to China in January. May try to detour through there then. But it gets cold up in your neck of the woods!

    Yes it does, heck its cold now. Just got back home tonight after washing the Ram and the temp is already -16.......brrrr. This is the coldest its been so far this winter.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    No spark. There's only about a hundred things that could cause that. You'd think that if it was diagnosed before it was declared an "easy fix" he'd let us know what it needs. It could be a distributor, a cam, an ECM...
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Yeah, just like when people tell me their A/C "Just needs a charge".

    Right!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I like the ads that convienently forget to mention the year...almost always with a car that looks newer than it really is. They try that ploy all the time in Seattle, too.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Unusual way to sell a car. I'd probably rather not deal with this guy What's he think he's got anyway?

    That car up here (alaska) would be gone in a day or less. Heck, if it was ok otherwise I'd buy it without a second thought. Then again, I have access to a junkyard full of parts for cheap and a little brother to work on my *projects*. :blush:
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Maybe's the Subie guy is a curber, doesn't want people to know where he lives. A bit shady to me.

    Yeah that guy with the trade requests doesn't know what he wants, and is confusing.

    I like the BMW, I would consider it if it's in as nice shape as he says it is.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Porsche 356 -- I don't know what to make of it but having Japanese flat-top pistons in there and a hot cam suggests to me a hand-grenade waiting to go off....the whole car looks like a meat-fisted restoration....a person would have to be pretty reckless to bid on this car sight unseen.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Well, from what little I can see of it, I do like the color!

    My 1985 Consumer Guide has a test of a 300D, and for being a Diesel it doesn't sound like a bad performer. 3515 pounds, 123 hp, and 0-60 in 12.1 seconds. I think with GM's 350 Diesels, you were lucky if you could break 20 seconds!

    The price was kinda staggering though...~$30,000
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Same here, it's a great color combo. Lazy seller though, especially with how enthusiastic his maintenance claims sound.

    A turbo is the only 300D one would really want. They can keep up with traffic no problem. Good torque. 30K was a lot for a car of that size then...but I'd take it over 2 Chevy Celebrities!
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Makes me think something is wrong with the roof.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    So how much horsepower did the non-turbo versions of this engine have? BTW, my Consumer Guide only lists the turbodiesel for 1985, and not a non-turbo version. Had it been phased out by then?

    Looking at my book, I think I see why velour was so rare in Benzes. The 300D and 190 models that my book covers are listed as having MB-tex standard, with velour being a $1073 option and leather being a $1083 option. I'd imagine that anybody who decided to upgrade decided that they might as well just blow the extra ten bucks and get the leather!

    In contrast, the domestics simply refused to make a high-quality, expensive looking vinyl, so they just made cloth/velour standard in their nicer models, with leather being an option...usually about $400-600.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    IIRC a 240D had something like 67hp. I didn't know there was a non-turbo 300 available at the time.

    MB-Tex wears like iron. I can't believe how well it holds up over time. Even some of the old craigslist beaters have great looking interiors because of the longevity of the MB-tex.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    90 HP, on a good day.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Yeah I think in 85 it was gone...but it was around not long before. In 85 that platform was at the very end of production, so the cars sold in NA were well-equipped.

    MB interiors had an odd heirarchy. Euro cars had a cloth that I believe was ranked lower than MB-tex. We never saw it, but you can find it in grey market cars, it is often a plaid pattern. Then comes the unbeatable tex, then the velour, then the leather. US market velour cars are indeed quite rare. The Euro market at the time was a bit different, and velour S class from the period are as common as leather. S class cars in Europe could be bought really stripped down too...even with the lowly cloth.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    that javelin kinda does sound like a steal ... at first. What worries me is that he has invested $5k. $5k wouldn't even cover ridding it of the rust it MUST have had and the paintjob. So all the work has obviously been done cheaply.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    300D interiors smell funny though, as they age. A mixture of vile diesel spills and that horsehair stuffing in the seats I guess....it's sort of a burnt electrical smell.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    That is a good point. I'd want more details on the whole thing, but maybe the body was redone previously and it just needed paint now? The body looks good in the pictures but pictures can hide alot. He doesn't mention that it's all new so maybe that's the story. The paint, weld wheels and Ford 9 inch will eat the 5 grand right there.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736

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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Are you kidding???!!!

    There isn't that much crack available!
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,412
    Are you from Jersey? I'm not sure that Mustang is that far off of market here if it's that truly rust free. The 6 cyl 3 sp easily becomes a 302 or 351 4 speed and then it could go for big money. Truly clean Mustangs go for a lot around here.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    yeah, i'm in NJ.

    A nonmatching, nonoriginal, modified mustang coupe for big money? Only if the buyer doesn't know what they are doing.

    That car doesn't have anything going for it. Its not a convertible and its not a V8. Which means it is absolutely nothing special and not worth very much, I'm afraid.

    One thing folks seem to forget with Mustangs ... there are ALOT of them out there. So there is no reason to settle for a bottom model like this one, and certainly no reason to overpay.

    Anyway, that's my totally uneducated and inexperienced opinion. ;)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    that seller is really off in left field. How can he claim to be picky about who he sells it to when he won't even bother to get it running?! What a jerk.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    I'm not a fan of those little things to begin with, but even if I was, and that seller had the nicest 2002 in the world, the ad just has so much attitude to it that I don't think I'd even give him the time of day.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I think some people put out ads just to get a gauge of interest and aren't serious about selling at all. Some bizarro-world ego boost maybe.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    This one would be worth more if the engine hadn't been swapped. Still a beauty.
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    "posting removed by craigslist staff"

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  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    $4000 '75 Plymouth Duster
    "great winter project, hardly any rust," overpriced by factor of 10?
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Remember the ugly Torando up for grabs in Utah? We were talking about it in this forum a few weeks ago.

    I stumbled on some info on that car on Jalopnik website. Apparently it belonged to some movie director and it's a Chrysler one off from the 50's.

    Here's the link:
    Tornado

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