Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,100
    For some reason, that W126 style that Fintail used to have has always epitomized the "ultimate" Benz sedan to me. There's just something about the styling that seems "just right". Heck, at Spring Carlisle, I actually found myself tempted by this one, which was for sale. But, ultimately, I ended up with this $500 gem instead.

    Those old Jag XJ6 sedans are seductively pretty cars, too, and I can see how people get lured into buying them. My fascination with them ended when I finally had the chance to sit in one, though. I've heard that, for interior volume purposes, these things were actually rated as subcompacts. And upon trying to fit inside one, suddenly I could see why!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes, the XJ6 is cramped for its size. There are so many bad things about an XJ6 that they far outweigh the good things about the car. The good things are really lovely smooth ride + good handling (not easy to do), stylish good looks, easy to drive. Bad things include---well, this box has a word limit :sick:

    Benz styling does nothing for me although I genuinely admire how they have managed to keep brand identity through 50+ years or more. It's merely my subjective attitude. I'm not comfortable driving a Benz. I feel too "old" or something. I dunno---crazy......however, I felt VERY comfortable in a 300SL Roadster--I could live with that! And I think I'd be okay in a Ponton. They have an old-world charm quite divorced from more modern associations with a Benz. I could invest time and effort restoring a Ponton (to a reasonable degree).

    For value, you just can't beat those older American barges right now...GEEZ, $500? You couldn't have a load of gravel delivered to your driveway for that, much less an entire car that can take you somewhere. And you buy your parts at Kragen. What's not to like?
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    How is that blue New Yorker running anyway, after you bought it from the gas station guy? Have you done any major work to the car in the brief time that you've owned it?
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,100
    How is that blue New Yorker running anyway, after you bought it from the gas station guy? Have you done any major work to the car in the brief time that you've owned it?

    It runs fine...ONCE it finally gets started! :sick: . In fact, it pissed me off bad enough on Tuesday, that once I finally got it running again, I took it right to the mechanic.

    It has a problem with the automatic choke, and can sometimes be cranky in cold weather. I knew about this though, before buying it. And I figure hey, for $500, I'm not expecting showroom new!

    I have found though, that the more I drive it, the less troublesome it is. Until last Thursday. We had a really hot day, and when I went out to it after work, it just refused to start. It would turn over and turn over but wouldn't catch. The butterfly valve in the carb throat was stuck totally open, and I couldn't get it to close. I've had old carbureted cars in the past where you could just pull the linkage from under the hood and get it to close, but on this one it was buried somewhere, probably under the Lean Burn module. Anyway, one of my coworkers was leaving, and came over to see if I needed help. I had her get behind the wheel and depress the gas pedal. That freed up the valve so I could close it, and prop something on it to keep it closed. Then, the damn thing fired right up! Common sense would dictate that I would drive the car straight home, but instead I went over to the house of a friend, who had been wanting to see it. And I stopped off at the gas station on the way home. Both of those times though, it fired right up. Something kinda funny happened at the gas station, too. A woman in a minivan stopped off, and she had two little kids. Well, the little kids took one look at my car and just loved it, for some strange reason. The mother even thought it was neat. I thought that was interesting, because women usually don't notice cars unless they give the impression that the owner has money. And little kids, I thought, usually wouldn't notice something unless it was bright and shiny. But, who knows? Maybe these little kids will grow up to be versions of me, and as they get older will develop an unhealthy liking for big late 70's mastodons? Hey, maybe THAT'S it!! Little kids usually like dinosaurs! :P

    After that, I kept a block of wood in the car that I could use to wedge the gas pedal down if I needed to in the future. Sure enough, Tuesday afternoon, it was another hot one, and the car refused to start. However, even with forcing the valve closed, it still wouldn't start. I gave up and started walking home. It's about 3 1/2 miles, so I figure I could do it in under an hour.

    Luckily, one of my roommates was just getting out of the gym, so he drove straight out to meet me. I had made it about halfway home, hot and sweaty, and not exactly in a Mopar-hugging mood. Some thunderstorms came though about an hour later, drenching everything and cooling down considerably. We went back out to try getting the car started. Damn thing fired up on the first try! I immediately took it to my mechanic and dropped it off.

    So if nothing else, in its current condition, the car WILL start, eventually. But I'm worried that eventually I'm going to drain the battery or wear out the starter, and I know in its current condition its wasting a lot of fuel. So I'd rather just get it fixed right.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,615
    You did better with the $500 beast than with an old 126. The problem with most old MB is that they cost as much to repair as new ones. If you had a 126 with that starting problem, you'd have some kind of massive FI or computer module failure, and it would cost a lot to fix.
    You'd have to be prepared to part with some money now and then to keep it up to spec, and there'd be many times when the work couldn't be done at home.

    I still greatly admire the 126s, just such a homogenous and handsome design, and so good for time it was developed. It is timeless, it still has a presence today. "Just right" as you say. These were certainly my favorite non-exotic or vintage car when I was a kid. I really liked my car, but I was bit by the new car bug, the old car was getting up there a bit and I felt bad about abusing it, and I had no place to store it even if I had tried to keep it. It went to a good home.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    a buddy of mine has me on the lookout for a car for him. not that i would go to brooklyn, but this seems cheap if its everything stated.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,148
    Yes, something's out of whack - looks like low miles, good body, good interior, wonder what's up? You'd think they'd be asking ~$5,000.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    Circling back to the comments on the W126, I remember seeing one for the first time at the Chicago Auto Show, can't remember what 1970s year it was exactly, but it was when that model was first introduced. Anyhow, I immediately thought it was the most beautiful, elegant, and desirable luxury sedan I'd ever seen. It clearly left the Cadillac and Lincoln in the dust, and these were its main competition in the U.S. at that time. I remembered thinking, how will Cadillac and Lincoln ever catch up? The answer, of course, is that they still haven't.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,615
    The W126 was introduced at the 1979 Frankfurt show. I don't know when it was first seen in NA, it was first officially here as a 1981 model. Certainly at that time, it was the most advanced large car in the world, really light years ahead.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,615
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    http://lansing.craigslist.org/car/352459161.html

    I don't know what category this is... maybe a "project" to get it cleaned out. It's not a classic, but the ad is.

    But this falls under "I'd rather walk".

    -Mathias
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    It was only $500?!?!? Wow! I wonder how much it would've been if it was at Spring Carlisle. I guess you could've tacked on another zero. I hope to see it at the Mopar show.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,100
    It was only $500?!?!? Wow! I wonder how much it would've been if it was at Spring Carlisle. I guess you could've tacked on another zero. I hope to see it at the Mopar show.

    Yeah, I think I lucked out with getting it for $500. The seller really wanted to get rid of it, though. It had been his father's car, and his father passed away about 6-7 years ago. He kept it around and occasionally used it as a spare car, but the seller works in construction, and really needs a truck. He was driving an '80-86 style Ford F-150 with about 300,000 miles on it, but it was on its second 300 straight six. Anyway, they sold the father's house back around the beginning of the year, so the NYer lost its parking space. That's when it went to the gas station, where it went through the annual PA inspection and then just sat around. The owner was friends with the guy who owned the gas station, so he didn't mind it sitting around there.

    And sit it did, until Grbeck noticed it, mentioned that he had a surprise to show me, and then drove us past it that night.

    In some ways, now that I paid $500 for this "new" New Yorker, I almost feel ripped off by the $900 I paid for my '79 5th Avenue edition almost 6 years ago! :P

    Anyway, if the mechanic gets it back to me in a reasonable amount of time, and I can get the radiator hoses changed, I'll have it up for the Mopar show. I guess I could just have the mechanic do the hoses if I wanted to be lazy, but I can do it myself for a lot less money. R-bodies are actually pretty easy to work on under the hood, for a 70's car. There's a lot of crap under the hood, but also a lot of room. In contrast, when I look under the hood of my '76 LeMans, I just want to throw my hands up in disgust!
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Salvage BMW -- that asking price ($14K) is retail for that car withOUT a salvage title. Seller is delusional, nobody's going to pay that. Knock off 40% and it'll sell. Try $9,000 and take it.

    '94 BMW convertible--it's not the miles that 's the problem it's that it's already $1,000 over retail. Geez seller, go look at a price guide that is realistic, not Kelley. $5,750 is about right for buyer and seller. $6,900 is too high

    '99 BMW 528i -- the problem here is that the seller is not adjusting for the high miles. He's looking at basically correct retail book but disregarding the mileage discount that is necessary. About $8,500 is right, not $9,900.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Man I'm a sucker for those E36 M3s, I want a sedan though. That, in my mind, was the pinnacle of automotive development. A comfortable 4 seat car that can actually perform well on the track, get reasonable mileage, and not kill you in maintenance costs.
    I get the heebee-jeebees about reports about the rear control arms and diff mounts pulling from the frame, although the M3 supposedly has additional bracing over the regular 3 series.
    A nice, low mileage E36 M3-4, maybe silver with black leather, and a sunroof for the right $$ and my finances would be in serious jeopardy.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I finally got some pictures of my dad's truck:

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    The odometer reads 37,xxx - I asked my dad if that was 137K or 237K ... he said 137K ... this is for a truck that is 37 years old! He had the engine replaced at 90K.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    '95 M3: WOW! I don't know WHAT that guy is thinking!!! trade-in on this car is about $4500! its got 150k miles! $14k??! good grief!

    and i love the description:
    Car is completely stock...
    Recent replacement of the front bumper and all aerodynamic under panels. Sport version....
    I just replaced the original M-Contour II wheels with a low mileage/20,000 mile set of 1997 M3 M-Double Spoke II Sport Wheels. 17x8.5" rear and 17x7.5" front wheels. ...

    car seems pretty unstock for a completely stock car.

    oh, and the best line:
    Has original Michelin tires in good shape.

    EGADS!!! 150k miles on the original tires!!!! ;b

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    So I finally got the chance to put our bimmer back together last night. Man, that is one SMOOOTHHH operator! If it weren't for the smell of decomposing leather, I'd be hard pressed to believe this is a 20-year-old car.

    i think this may make me a bmw convert if it keeps up the good work. i'm actually kind of jealous that my wife's toy is nicer than mine (meaning the alfa).

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,426
    That yellow M3 screams "someone beat the hell out of me"
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Looks like a pretty clean truck. Did you do a full resto on it?

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah but German soul can't compare to Italian soul.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Thanks for saying that. ;)

    (it's true BTW)
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,148
    Just what you want on a sports sedan - old hard tires! And yes, this guy's too close to see his car for what it really is.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    other than being a stick and being MUCH prettier, I can't say much for the alfa's driving right now. 30 more horses and a completely new suspension might turn the tables.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    We need to get you a built-up 1750 motor with Webers and hotter cams.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Member Posts: 1,711
    Since I've been out of the loop for a while, if you don't mind can you bring me up to spec about this BMW you just purchased- what year, how many miles, and is it running good?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    no problem.
    this pics are still in the listing where i spotted it.

    it runs GREAT. the whole passenger side is pretty beat up, but it still shines for the most part. new tires, newish top, and now a full tune-up, water pump, thermostat, new coolant, and timing belt. the auto tranny shifts are barely perceptible, all the electronics work, and the brakes could pull the fillings right out of your teeth. so far so good.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    is that even a possibility in an '86? can i just rip out the computer and not worry about it? or would I be faced with a slew of other problems?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    "Yeah but German soul can't compare to Italian soul."

    Ouch!
    Das tut weh.

    -Mathias
    (I want my flag back, though)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah just rip out the whole thing and wire in a points ignition and ignition switch. Then you'll have an engine that can REV, unlike the one you have now, which is very unhappy after 4800 rpm.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,615
    Hey, a few of us like German soul :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,615
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    i don't even know if i take it past 4800. the tach has never worked right from since before i bought it. i just shift when it feels like its about to explode, which is probably 4k-4500 by my guesstimation.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,100
    Those Matador coupes were pretty hideous from the outside, but I actually like that interior, in sort of a kitschy 70's sort of way. And those sport wheels are cool. I've seen Chryslers with a wheel that looks like that...I wonder if AMC just cribbed it from Chrysler? Earlier models with the 360 weren't bad performers, but by 1977 I think they were pretty choked down.
  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,731
    I think they're kinda like a poor mutt from the pound. So ugly its cute!

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,769
    Darn nice truck. I love the old Chevrolet trucks (67-72). I hope to get mine in the shop for a restoration eventually, but first I need the shop... :blush:

    This is how I spent last Saturday... 350 miles towing an old rusted out Ford plow truck. I have about 71,500 on the Chevy now.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,148
    I prefer to think of them as bizarre - weird ideas, never seen before, never seen again, stuck together for our enjoyment. Now a Gremlin, that's hideous :P
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,148
    Now THAT would be a great Chevy truck ad - forget the one pulling rail cars, this is for real!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,769
    Yeah, I had a couple fellas come up to me at gas stations and talk to me about how much they liked the Chevy - how they had one "just like it" way back when, etc. They both thought it was a hoot that I was towing not just any truck, but a FORD, behind me.... :P
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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Expensive E36 M3 - $50k in mods (?!)
    overpriced or a bargain, depending on your POV

    Same place, an E30 that makes the previous E36 look like a steal:
    E30 with $30k in "upgrades" (??)

    One more time:
    E36 M3 automatic (whatzup with that?)

    james
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,769
    That modified E36 M3 looks like a real kick in the pants to drive, but I would not want to be around when it falls apart... :sick:
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh I thought he had a 2.0L Spider. Am I confused?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Not sure if you'd call it a 'full' restoration, but he did have it fully repainted, new chrome, new rubber seals for all the windows put in ... basically, the cosmetics of the truck.

    A HS buddy of mine has a paint and body shop and did the work ... it looks like a new truck by and large.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Does it make you feel better if I say German soul is different then Italian soul???

    The largest part of my heritage is German with Cherokee the next largest.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,792
    he just got a bit confused regarding bmw vs alfa. the bmw came with a 2.5 or 2.7.

    i do have a 2L spider, and that's the car we were talking about the motor swap on.

    speaking of the alfa, I thought I'd have it back on the road tomorrow, but I just now come to find out the brake master cylinder kit i got from international auto doesn't come with the rubber grommets to mount the bowl to the cylinder. ARRRGGG!! that's actually the ONLY part I needed, but I bought the kit for $25 thinking it was a better deal than buying JUST the grommets for $18. Guess who the fool is now? Now I gotta wait a couple more days for the darned grommets to ship!

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Your motor is quite reliable with Bosch injection but I guess that variable valve timing (take that Honda, Alfa had it first by a longgggg shot) is not for performance, only for emissions. That engine just won't rev in its stock state. But I know for certain that you can buy a performance cylinder head for it, if you want the torque of the 2 liter.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Really variable valve timing on the Alfa???

    How did it work exactly. I have always read that honda did it first on their bikes and then the NSX.
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