Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

british_rover

Exploders had 4.0 pushrod or 4.0 SOHC motors depending on the year for the base motor.

I know there were problems with the SOHC motor's timing chains early on but they fixed them by the 2000 or so.

bumpy

could be okay

I wasn't using that home credit line anyway

I bet I don't!

Sacrifice twelve chickens under a full moon and buy a case of Excedrin?

Andre needs a truck, Part 147

Jeebus :sick:

Andre needs a car, Part 43

I like the '72 better

autox beater

qbrozen

oh good god! i should have taken your "sick" warning more seriously. Seriously, that made my sphincter tighten and I threw up just a little in my mouth.

the only thing wrong with it is it needs some finishing

dude, there is SO MUCH MORE wrong than that!

texases

300D-suprisingly reasonable...
BMW - no miles listed? Asking more than private party $$? Hmmm...
'72 truck - that much for a 250?
MX-3 - I really like how the dubs show off those brake drums :P
CRX - 200k+ miles :surprise:

lilengineerboy

BR, Did you get to take a look at it? What was the condition? Did it have the "Vader" seats?

Mr_Shiftright

'98 Audi Quattro: Perfect---out of warranty, it's an Audi, it's AWD and it has 147,000 miles on it. All that's missing is the moment the pin falls out of the grenade.

'98 BMW 740iL --well, are ya' a bettin' man? And the mileage is? Try $9,500 and take it pard'. $12,5K is silly.

MB 300 Diesel -- "known to go 400,000 miles". Oh yeah, known by WHOM? I never saw one go that far, and the one that was close (317,000) had a new engine and transmission and about one half billion dollars of other repairs. Cruise control--none of them work for very long. At least he had the AC completely redone--that should guarantee lukewarm air for at least two years. Ask $2,500, take $2,000 and be happy for the old goat.

british_rover

Not in yet. I thought they weren't going to retail it so I would have a quick shot at looking at it untouched then buying it cheap.

Now they are planning to retail it and so it is being "shaped" so I won't see it till Saturday at the earliest.
:mad:

It is probably going to be too expensive for me now. I just watch the price on my screen go up, and up and up as they add more ROs to the stock number.

fintail

Can't be many of these left

texases

Buy that and the new Accord diesel when it comes out, it'd give you a good before/after kind of a comparison :P

british_rover

They finaly fixed are 59 series II Land Rover.

Any guesses how much it all coast? It did end up needing a new carb so they put a new weber on it to replace the little solex.

Made some other adjustments to the engine and now it runs like a champ.

ghulet

....aren't you supposed to clone a car after it's been restored?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-CUTLASS-CONVERTIBLE-4-SPEED-442-CLONE_W0QQitemZ230149647874QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6405QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm wondering if they just think it's a 'clone' because of the VIN, which if I'm not mistaken on earlier 4-4-2s will not differ from that of a 'regular' Cutlass (as with the GTO in early years, it was an option, not a separate series, I believe).

Mr_Shiftright

I'd recommend putting that car back in the bottom of the lake before anybody knows you've been dredging illegally.

texases

Salmon Studie

77 Cougar "sounds like a race car"

1953 Mergury

"Top of the line besides the M3"

Clean 72 Ventura, worth $10K?

A REAL project

4 door "classic" Nova

61 Buick w/215 V8

Mr_Shiftright

'48 Chevy Panel---worth saving! Especially if the rust isn't too bad. These make great street rods and once restored can bring $25K...so there's room in this project. Big job, though, albeit very straight-forward. Just nuts, bolts and steel and a very simple car.

4-door Nova: to the wrecker please

'72 Ventura: worth $10K? Gee it would have to be the best of the best. No AC, which is a big minus. Hmmmm....a hot noisy obscure bad handling car for only $10,000? What's not to like? Plenty. I'd say $7,500 is all the money here.

'89 BMW 325is---fair enough

'53 Mercury -- "they hated them in '53 and they still look that way to me." Mercury rolled over and died in 1951 and everybody knows it. I can't believe this make is still around.

grahampaige

Wish they were this cheap over here

looks like fun in a holy @#$% Im gonna die way

The hot rod for the greenie?

Now thats what im talking about...lets hope that some hot rodder doesn't get hold of it

fintail

I kind of like the originality of the Auburn, I wouldn't mind having something like that, and leaving it a little tatty for awhile.

gsemike

This can't be worht 600 grand, right?

gsemike

Keep dreaming

Does everybody have sticky keyboards that these extra zeroes keep getting inserted?

texases

And what's worse, all his mods (black cheap wheels, blackout headlights and taillights, big clunky spoiler, tiny air cleaner to avoid the (not very necessary) tower brace) make it look worse to me. Stock would have been much better.

Mr_Shiftright

Keep Saying This Manta:

"Asking prices are merely a seller exercising his First Amendment Rights".

AUBURN: I doubt a rodder would want a car like this: first off it's a phaeton body, which is generally not very attractive, and two, the long 4-door open body of the 30s would be atrociously flexible and would require massive re-inforcement, whereas the little Ford roadsters don't need too much of that.

gsemike

I know that you can ask whatever you want, but let's just say that you wanted to set the world record for selling price of an 85 Camaro, which he is clearly trying to do. Instread of getting dated headlight and taillight covers out of the clearance bin, wouldn't you think, maybe I shuld tub this out and get a blown big block?

My God... do you know what 20 grand buys in the hot rod market? Desirable cars... fast cars... really well done custom cars. At least use an IROC as the starting point.

british_rover

Simsbury Car show today and saw some cool cars.

Pre WWI Buick with a OHV 4 cylinder, Acetylene main beams and electric kerosene side lights.

1946 or so V12 flat head Lincoln. The documentation said it was one of the last V12 powered cars built in the US.

I brought the Series II Rover and later on in the show I was joined by a 109 inch wheelbase Series III Station wagon and a 1970 Mini Cooper S clone in deep blue with a white roof and white stripes.

Mr_Shiftright

That V12 engine wasn't very good. Very troublesome engine.

british_rover

It looked kind of funky too. It had what looked like a very narrow angle.

Do you remember what the angle on it was?

There was one car there I had never even heard of before.

It was a 1937 or 1938 Graham Sharknose sedan in blue with tons of chrome.



It looked a bit like that one but it was blue and silver instead of purple and silver. It was supercharged as well.

grahampaige

Grahams were big on supercharging, they had it as a no cost option from about 34. They called these cars the "spirit of motion", as they looked like they were moving even when they were standing still. The french did some coupes and cabriolets using the standard front sheetmetal that looked sensational. Even I have to admit the rear looks a little goofy. I would still have one though

Mr_Shiftright

The styling is a bit extreme---probably the idea of "Streamline Moderne" taken too far. This was probably one of the last models before they folded, but you will see copies of the Graham Paige engine appearing later one in some imports.

texases

I wonder if it was inspired by the then-revolutionary Boeing 247's reverse-tilt windscreen:

fintail

"The price of $3499 is not negotiable" = "seller will own this heap for the rest of his life"

Shifty, I have a question. I remember a little while back there was a mention of those BMW-copy Chinese and Russian motorcycles, and you suggested replacing the original engine with a BMW unit. Would you think the Chinese or the Russian machine would be the best to use as a base?

Mr_Shiftright

That's a good question. I've seen it actually done with the Chinese version but either Chinese or Russian you are going to have metallurgy problems with anything you don't replace with German parts. I think the Russian bikes are more attractive and while crudely welded, they might hang together longer. But first you have to take that Ural engine and heave it over a fence.

fintail

From what I understand, the Russian machines are the BMW copies, actually arranged prewar, and the Chinese ones are copies of the Russian units. Do you believe the Russian frames are solid, or that the Chinese ones are acceptable? I will admit I am leery of Chinese vehicles of any kind.

I've always liked these things, and I know originals can cost 25K if well-restored, where a nice copy is a third of that. I might do it sometime.

wevk

"Irbit MotorWorks of America welcomes you to the world of Ural motorcycling. Whether you want to ride solo, pull a sidecar, or have the flexibility to do both, we've got the perfect Ural setup to match your personality and riding style"

http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

WVK

Mr_Shiftright

did you notice the maximum engine speed of 65 mph? That tells you a lot about this "BMW" engine!

fintail

Cool. Here's a site with Chinese ones

http://www.blitzbikes.com/id39.htm

Also something I wouldn't want to go over 60 in

bumpy

It looked kind of funky too. It had what looked like a very narrow angle.

Do you remember what the angle on it was?

Wikipedia says 75 degrees for the last (of three!) Lincoln V12.

Doesn't look all that narrow to me:


Maybe the flathead design just makes it look narrow compared to an OHV?

british_rover

Yeah I guess it must be the flathead design. Just by looking it I figured it had to be 60 degrees or less. I never would have guessed 75 degrees.

fintail

You know it must be good for this price

Mr_Shiftright

Nothing that $20,000 couldn't fix I'm sure. I hope the future buyer does some sober investigation on repair costs. People just aren't used to $2,000 clutches and $1,600 water pumps.

grahampaige

This was probably one of the last models before they folded,
It was the second last. The last was based on the body of the cord 810/812, they then after the war became Kaiser Fraser. and yes the 6cyl engine turned up in Nissans, you could still get new blocks over here until the early 80's as Nissan were using them in the forklifts.

Mr_Shiftright

Oh that's right...a copy of the Graham engine was in the Nissan Patrol 4X4 of the late 60s and early 70s that came over here, wasn't it? I remember thinking it looked very familiar.

fintail

So much red...I don't know what these are really worth

stevedebi

The cool factor is there, but wow.

Personally, for that dough I think I'd take the '59 T-Bird...

Back to the Future?

fintail

I've never really wanted a Delorean, but it would be awesome to have that one

stevedebi

"I've never really wanted a Delorean, but it would be awesome to have that one"

What I don't understand is that several of the dozen or so on E-bay are painted. I don't think the factory painted them, and what is the point? The stainless steel body is part of the attraction.

It was also interesting to see all of the special mods people had done. It turns out that DMC is still in business, and they won't ship parts to people - you have to take your car to a DMC service center.

I read an article on the DeLorean that stated he wanted to add a special finish that looked 'rainbow" in the sunlight, but then the entire company folded away.

Mr_Shiftright

'55 T-Bird should easily be worth $38,000 if it's as nice as it looks. A '59 would be hard pressed to reach that price however.

55-57 T-Bird prices are all over the map---it depends very much on engine, options, and of course condition....prices can be wildly variant depending. Wire wheels are a plus, no hard top is a minus, small engine is a minus. The most $$$ ones of course are super-restorations with supercharging and all documentation.

british_rover

I saw a Delorean painted Guard Red in Madison, WI one time. It was the most disgusting vehicle I have ever seen.

fintail

There was a red one in the town I lived in as a kid, as well. Maybe the steel was too much maintenance?

grahampaige

we are using a patrol crank handle, as it was longer so you don't bang your knuckles on the dumb irons.

texases

Anything in particular that made this engine so long-lived? And any good links for a picture of it?

Mr_Shiftright

Here's a Nissan Patrol engine. It's just a very conventional ohv inline 6, much like the legendary Chevy "stovebolt six".

qbrozen

I read that article. If you could zoom in on the page he scanned, you'll see that the car is PAINFULLY slow. I believe something like 14 secs to 60.