Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

jlawrence01

Its 20 years old, but the milage makes it almost new.

Until you find out how much of the car you are going to have to replace to use the car as a daily driver. You'll need to replace ALL the rubber and probably all of the brake components ... makes me shudder just to think about it.

Also, those early Tempos were not nearly as reliable as the post 1980s ... a scary thought.

andre1969

to hold onto a TEMPO for that long and only put 8,000 miles on it?! Every once in awhile, I'll see some ultra-low mileage car show up at Carlisle, but at least it's something worthy like an '83 Toronado or an '82 Skylark (okay, joking on that second one there :shades: ) And a buddy of mine picked up a '78 Mark V that only had around 11,000 miles on it, but you could almost understand someone putting away something so expensive, pimpy, and hedonistic like that. I just don't get the Tempo thing though.

FWIW, my stepdad had an '84 Tempo GL coupe. Nasty, slow little thing. Believe it or not, they actually got 160,000 miles out of it before trading it for a '91 Stanza. Original engine and transaxle, but I know they had other problems with it.

lemmer

Hard life Lotus - no, thanks.

Cheap original Grand Prix - needs a fender.

british_rover

GTX

fintail

Back in saner days this car would have been lucky to be advertised with one less zero

I'd take that GTX over this

Mr_Shiftright

Well show car is worth maybe $25,000, a good clean runner maybe $16,000 sooooooooo what have we got here? A car that needs a total restoration.

So worth much? No.

Worth something? Yeah

Worth saving? At the right price>

And that price is? Maybe $3,000 or so....

andre1969

aren't the ones to have the '68-70 models? And I guess with a 440-6pack (versus the 440-4bbl) or Hemi, I guess the sky's the limit.

fintail

Painfully unexciting, but there can't be many decent ones left, and people do like wagons lately

Mr_Shiftright

If it's a plain 440, doesn't much matter what the year is on the GTX...up to 1971. After 1971, prices plummet for most domestics.

lemmer

That thing isn't half bad for the asking price.

andre1969

I like that Matador wagon. One of my buddys wants a new SUV in 2006, and he really wants a green one. I wonder if I could talk him into that Matador? :shades:

How much hp would a 1972 304 have? I found some specs for the 1974, and it had 150 hp/245 ft-lb of torque, so I'd imagine the 1972 one would be similar. While that's not spectacular, at least it's not as embarrasing as some of those 135 hp 318's, 129 hp 302's, and 150 hp 400's!

lemmer

'57 Chevy Sedan Delivery. What is a nice example worth?

1972 Charger. How powerful are these?

1971 LeMans - Is the trunk full of rocks?

andre1969

and that '72 Charger originally came with a 318-2bbl, which put out 150 hp. The engine code is the 5th digit, and "G" stands for 318-2bbl. Nothing really special...0-60 in about 12 seconds stock. It would hold its own with GM intermediates running their various 350-2bbls, or Fords running their 351-2bbls, but still nothing erotic about it. It does have a tough, ugly look to it though, like it could scare the panties off a GM or Ford intermediate from that time!

There were some pretty beefy optional engines available though...the 400-4bbl with 255 hp, the 440-4bbl with 280 hp, and the 440 6-pack with 330 hp. There was also a 340-4bbl, and later a 360-4bbl that put out around 245 hp, but I'm not sure if they were offered in the Charger in '72.

Mr_Shiftright

'57 Chevy sedan delivery:

Well the car is all pimped out so hard to value. A clean, decent daily driver in stock form might be worth $8,000 and a pebble beach show car perhaps $15,000.

Sooooo I'd say at $5,100 this car is bid out to its maximum already and anything more is like money up your nose.

ghulet

I love the 'last chance' part (and lest we forget the 'minor rust' and 'needs exhaust' notations):

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/121300806.html

What, last chance for the opportunity to pay $3k for a $1200 car?

lemmer

And it made the 50 crappiest cars list. I didn't think the NX was such a bad car.

Of course, that one is maxed out at $1200 as you suggested.

bumpy

A GA16DE NX? It's not even worth $1200, unless it comes with a box containing every part you need to do an SR20 swap and the JDM brake upgrade.

bumpy

The NX wasn't a bad car, but it got an all-around clubbering from the B13 Sentra. The NX was heavier, significantly more expensive, and was awkwardly styled (it was an unsuccessful attempt at miniaturizing the Z32 300ZX, and went up against arguably the best-looking Sentra/Sunny in history). The available SR20DE might have rescued the NX from oblivion, but the Sentra SE-R delivered the death blow.

lemmer

They've had some local guy working on restoring the Wildcat (68 convertible). They had 3 people turn them down, saying that it was too far gone (rusting from the bottom up) before finding Dan, who specializes in Buick and Oldsmobile restorations. Dan found a donor car body in AZ and had it shipped out to TX so that he could crop sections off to add to the Wildcat. The engine and transmission haven't been touched, but the rest of the car, inside and out has been restored and repainted. Turns out that it wasn't really a "butter" yellow originally, but a deeper yellow.


I'm guessing this car isn't worth it from a monetary standpoint, but Grandpa bought it new and it will be passed through the family. My friend sent nice, big pictures, and the scary part is from pictures the car looks flawless. It looks like something you would see on eBay represented as a near perfect original car.

Mr_Shiftright

How could you restore a car and not touch the engine and transmission? I smell "cutting corners" here but who knows? I'd just hate to have to yank an engine out of a just-restored car or to open the hood and see a rusty block. Seems a shame to do that.

As for "clipping" a car, nothing wrong with that if the clips are installed well, without excessive bondo or sloppy welding. If frame sections were cut out, that's scary.

lemmer

I know when we were in high school in the mid-late '80s, that car would give you a nice cloud of mixed color smoke when you floored it from a stop light. I don't imagine it has improved with time.

fintail

This is cool in its own way, too bad no price

My dad would love this

Well at least he's not hiding the problems</a?

bumpy

this must have been uncommon

this, however, is not

but you could bring it home with this

or do something useful and bring this home

don't let Andre see this

not your average Z

andre1969

Nice car...I swear I've seen it on eBay a few times, so I guess the guy's had trouble selling it. I'm surprised the seller didn't list what engine it had. I went to his website though, where he posted a lot more pics, including the VIN, and did a decode...it should have a 383-2bbl.

I like the color combo...black with the blue interior. It looks better than it sounds! Still, I guess there's just not too much demand for something like this, no matter how nice it is.

lemmer

That 350Z seems to be priced based on the retail price of everything he put into it, including the MSRP of the car. Hard to find a buyer for something like that.

Mr_Shiftright

I really got a kick of that comment in the Mercedes 300CD ad:

" It has 240000 miles which for this car is not much at all"

LOL! It's just the distance from the earth to the moon!

fintail

I'm always concerned when the photo given is not the actual car

british_rover

Now it has been a while since I have worked on a CRX but I think I should be able to see the transmission towards the left side of the engine on that picture.

All i see is bare ground.

Tranny what tranny?

steine13

Yep, you got that right... I've got the cousin to this car, a 91 Civic Si... the tranny is on the passenger side, with the drain bolt 8" from the wheel.

I know this cuz I put new front shocks on today... I got a good look at the whole setup. I think it improved things... but when I went to try it out, we had an inch or so of wet snow on the ground. Not the ideal weather for a test drive.

-Mathias

steven922

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/121625958.html

Seller claims he "Dont believe in cleaning his car" If he dosent wash it, do you think he had an oil changes done on it?

Included is: A vanity ice scraper,some old mix tapes and dirt.

NOT included is: the smelly socks in the car, more than 1/4 tank of gas or the spare tire.

This guy is TOO honest.

steven922

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/121566175.html

steven922

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/121574584.html

andre1969

with the Prizm knows more about cars than he's letting on...after all he knows it's a better deal than a Fiat! So he must at least know the Fix It Again Tony-type jokes!

When I was a kid I used to like those Peugeot 505's. Now, looking back I kinda wonder why. I do think the front-end was kinda cool though, the way it had a bit of slant to the headlights.

And I like that '67 Plymouth. If I needed a daily driver and wanted something old, I could handle something like that. For some reason though, whenever I hear that name I keep hearing "Belve-DEEEAAH!!! Come HEAH, Boy!" It's from an old Looney Toons cartoon, but I can't remember which one. I remember the character sounded like Foghorn Leghorn though...

british_rover

Ok I got a reply back from the seller the car does have the tranny in it now these are old pictures from the middle of the engine swap.

steine13

My confidence level is just absolutely soaring.

If you're into modified cars, just do it yourself... or buy it from a pro... I'm usually skepical of my own wrenching, let alone some other yahoo's project.

I wonder who's benighted enough to buy stuff like that CRX.

-Mathias

british_rover

Espesialy when this guy did not do the work but bought it from the guy who actually did the work. Uhhh so now we are actually three people removed from the original person doing the work if you buy this car.

fintail

Not a real project but certainly a survivor, as these all end up trashed in these parts. I like the older style front end on these, if I had land and had to tow or move stuff, I'd look at this

fintail

"own a piece of history"

bumpy

"This posting has been deleted by its author."

What was it?

fintail

Damn

It was a really immaculate looking well maintained 1977 Suburban "Scottsdale" 2WD/454 - I bet it sold. It was a bargain for the $2K asking price.

fintail

"It's a looker" - yeah, it looks like a monstrosity. Nice hubcaps...puke

Looks like a good enough old tank for the money

lemmer

I had one of those Newports. Nobody cares about them, so it is kind of hard to keep them running. Parts are hard to come by. Mine was completely original and straight, a one owner with 72,000 miles, but needed a whole new braking system. That was enough to send it to the junkyard. Of course, that was more than ten years ago. I am sure today I would have been able to throw it on eBay and get a grand or two for it.

andre1969

I never really cared for those '63-64 models. They just seemed too diminutive compared to the '62 and earlier ones, and somewhat anti-climatic I guess. And when the '65's came out, they just seemed much more upscale and "important" than the '63-64 models.

Still, they weren't bad cars...sturdy and tank-like, and the somewhat smallish size and torsion-bar suspension probably gave them a handling advantage over the competition at Buick, Olds, and Mercury.

In some ways, that compact design (for the time and especially for that class of car), high beltline, smallish windows, and chiseled lines make me think of the current Chrysler 300.

stickguy

I don't think I would have ever used the term "diminutive" to describe a 1960's Chrysler! But, I am also still getting used to having a "big" car again (my Accord), so I guess it's all what you are used too.

fintail

I am unfamiliar with this "special" but the car itself doesn't look too awful

Mr_Shiftright

just another local dealer "decal job". Add $2 in value.

au94

yep, just a sticker pkg. The California Special would be more valuable. These at least had Shelby Style tail lights and, I believe, pony interior.

fintail

"Needs cosmetic work"

au94

Needs cosmetic work would be the understatement of this young year. I find it hard to believe that car is even worth saving.

fintail

A parts car, and an incomplete one at that