The T stands for "T-Modell" - I suppose like "Touring" or "Transport". I think the turbo engine didn't come around until maybe 1980 or 81.
Last weekend I drove over a mountain pass twice, behind a 300D turbo. The fintail could keep up. We both left the 240D in our dust. This pass was only just over 4000 feet though (we started near sea level), so maybe not as much altitude issue as at 800 0ft.
This series (W116) was MBs first complete attempt to compete in the US with a V8 luxury car. This conversion brought good money, and is a nice freakshow. Bid seems strong as the car is nice, but far from mint - and these things guzzle gas almost as well as a period American land yacht. These cars are usually not worth much.
It does seem overpriced for the condition, but you will be the only kid on the block with one, so maybe that's what this is all about. 1973 was certainly not a high point in Mercedes reliability, but this particular car might not have the troublesome emissions technology of the day. Not sure what anyone would get excited about here. My idea of a cool station wagon is one of those late 50s early 60s American barges.
@fintail said:
The T stands for "T-Modell" - I suppose like "Touring" or "Transport". I think the turbo engine didn't come around until maybe 1980 or 81.
The 300D Turbo started (at least in this country) in 1982. I remember because I had almost bought a used '76 300D a couple of years before, and thought the turbo job would be great. Too much desire and too little money though, and a year later I met my wife and we went in another automotive direction.
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Indeed, the American wagons are cooler. Like the car I've mentioned many times that my dad had in the 90s - if I ever found a red and white on red and white 60 Ford Country Sedan, it would be hard not to buy. It was just the coolest old car, and you can't get much rarer than that, the survival rate on those was almost zero.
73 was a good year for the 116 and other V8 cars, before real emissions malaise, and they still had small bumpers.
American wagons are generally the coolest, but I want one of these too:
@Mr_Shiftright said:
It does seem overpriced for the condition, but you will be the only kid on the block with one, so maybe that's what this is all about. 1973 was certainly not a high point in Mercedes reliability, but this particular car might not have the troublesome emissions technology of the day. Not sure what anyone would get excited about here. My idea of a cool station wagon is one of those late 50s early 60s American barges.
Aha, I was close. I was 5 in 1982, so I don't remember things clearly
AFAIK, the best year for a 300D turbo is 1983 - as 84 and 85 models had mandatory CA emissions across the board, and apparently they don't help things.
@bhill2 said:
The 300D Turbo started (at least in this country) in 1982. I remember because I had almost bought a used '76 300D a couple of years before, and thought the turbo job would be great. Too much desire and too little money though, and a year later I met my wife and we went in another automotive direction.
I think the real new decade doesn't start until a few years in - 1960 was still in the 50s, just like 1980 was still 70s, 1990 still felt kind of 80s, etc.
I like that it is on old plates with old frames, but this is a flipper who can't take the hint. Probably paid $1500 for it, at most. Not terribly sought after, and you can't get from there to nice when starting at 7K and not lose your shirt. The keyword garbage at the end also signifies a jerk.
someone was looking for a hot rod wagon, right? This one, I like. Just need to pull the tint off, and get rid of the hideous wheels, and quite the hauler.
I remember when I was younger, someone in town made a ~70 Vista Cruiser into a 442 style trim car - it was actually really nice looking. This was back in the 90s when something like that wasn't worth much yet. It seemed really well done. Sadly, I have a vague memory of later seeing it with body damage.
I'm a bit confused on his ad. He states "NON TEXTING WILL NOT RESPOND" and then ends with "Call xxx-xxx-xxxx." Does that mean he won't respond to me if I'm a non-texter...?? So... man, I don't know if I'm supposed to call or text. Guess I can't buy from him. Shucks.
I don't mind the wheels on the Chevelle. Found the other ad. I guess that answers the texting confusion. Wheels are definitely not good on that one and the price is pretty strong given the iffy looking work in some areas.
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Hammers are a world of their own. A 300CE Hammer will be 30K minimum - and it would probably have needs. Good luck finding engine parts. A 300TE Hammer wagon would bring even more.
One can get a genuinely really nice low mileage cabrio (newest one would be a 95, not that much newer) for maybe 13-15K. There was a 50K mile one for sale locally for 15. An AMG trim cabrio would appeal to me - a plain one is too normal. I value rarity. I don't need the mechanical bits, but I'd like the body/suspension/exhaust.
That's pretty sweet. I dare say I actually think that's worth pretty close to that money, at least in my eyes.
I am surprised the back seat is so much tighter than in a 4-door of that vintage, though. That one looks pretty uninhabitable by anyone other than small children.
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I don't mind the wheels on the Chevelle wagon but the nose is a 70, not a 71. Given what the term 'big block Chevy' is worth in the NE, price seems reasonable. Seeing that SS dash with the wood trim is kind of funky
It sounds like a piece of crap but y'know, people pay stupid money for trucks. At least, around here they do. There's a guy at work who recently bought a Ford Ranger. I forget the details, but when he mentioned about how he had to pull the bed off of it to take care of some rust, I figured that he overpaid big-time! But, it was also 4wd, which might carry a premium.
You know, it's bad enough that you have to usually FIX a truck that's selling for only $2300--I can accept that...but why would someone buy a truck that didn't run and had no smog and no papers for $2300----and why would a seller EXPECT anyone to pay that when he's put so many obstacles in the way?
I mean, is a jump-start so hard? Getting a duplicate title? $15 bucks and two weeks wait. Smog? That's your responsibility as a seller.
Then he could say "hear it run", have title and smog in hand---come get it.
And someone would have bought it by now.
Too risky on three different levels. For those risks, I'd want to pay about $600 bucks.
"Too risky on three different levels. For those risks, I'd want to pay about $600 bucks."
Once he realizes that no one will pay anywhere near his asking price - say, in one month - he may accept $600 if, IF he's serious about getting rid of it. Of course, someone may offer him $2,000, happy that they're buying it at a discount. Doubtful, but possible. You never know with old vehicles.
The biggest thing that would scare me about that truck would be the age/mileage. I'm really not that scared of something from the 70's, or even something from the 80's or early 90's if it's low-tech enough, like a Caprice or Ford Panther. But when you start getting into that higher-tech/expensive to repair era, I figure that unless it's really nice/low-mileage/lovingly-maintained, then you might as well just bypass it and spend a few bucks more for something newer.
At least, if the transmission in my '85 Silverado goes out, it's only about $650 or so to replace. And, those old THM350's were pretty durable transmissions. But with that Dakota, I'd guess maybe $1800 or more? And more likely to fail, as well.
so a parts car (truck) that might not even have any good parts on it. Maybe he thinks its a 4wd v8 model? Cause at least then it would be worth like $1500 as a parts vehicle.
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The T stands for "T-Modell" - I suppose like "Touring" or "Transport". I think the turbo engine didn't come around until maybe 1980 or 81.
Last weekend I drove over a mountain pass twice, behind a 300D turbo. The fintail could keep up. We both left the 240D in our dust. This pass was only just over 4000 feet though (we started near sea level), so maybe not as much altitude issue as at 800 0ft.
And now for something completely different...well, maybe not too different
This series (W116) was MBs first complete attempt to compete in the US with a V8 luxury car. This conversion brought good money, and is a nice freakshow. Bid seems strong as the car is nice, but far from mint - and these things guzzle gas almost as well as a period American land yacht. These cars are usually not worth much.
that is certainly an oddball.
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It does seem overpriced for the condition, but you will be the only kid on the block with one, so maybe that's what this is all about. 1973 was certainly not a high point in Mercedes reliability, but this particular car might not have the troublesome emissions technology of the day. Not sure what anyone would get excited about here. My idea of a cool station wagon is one of those late 50s early 60s American barges.
The 300D Turbo started (at least in this country) in 1982. I remember because I had almost bought a used '76 300D a couple of years before, and thought the turbo job would be great. Too much desire and too little money though, and a year later I met my wife and we went in another automotive direction.
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Indeed, the American wagons are cooler. Like the car I've mentioned many times that my dad had in the 90s - if I ever found a red and white on red and white 60 Ford Country Sedan, it would be hard not to buy. It was just the coolest old car, and you can't get much rarer than that, the survival rate on those was almost zero.
73 was a good year for the 116 and other V8 cars, before real emissions malaise, and they still had small bumpers.
American wagons are generally the coolest, but I want one of these too:
Aha, I was close. I was 5 in 1982, so I don't remember things clearly
AFAIK, the best year for a 300D turbo is 1983 - as 84 and 85 models had mandatory CA emissions across the board, and apparently they don't help things.
Here's a pretty old Panzerwagen I stumbled upon - miles aren't low, but they don't survive this nicely unless they are cared for. Might be a nice driver.
Fin, is this close enough?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-HUBLEY-FORD-COUNTRY-SEDAN-STATION-WAGON-DEALER-PROMO-MODEL-LIGHT-BLUE-/171365597526?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item27e62f8156
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Not a bad price. As it was made as a promo, there was a normal model kit variant, too. Here's one someone built to a high level of detail:
Regarding the real car, I can't even find a pic of a red and white one on google.
Is that a resin model, or something someone built? Need a link
Fin, that Ford wagon pic reminds me that sometimes I forget that 1960 models still have some of those 50's like paint colors.
I think the real new decade doesn't start until a few years in - 1960 was still in the 50s, just like 1980 was still 70s, 1990 still felt kind of 80s, etc.
We used to spend days building car models. Then after awhile we would get bored with them.
That's what firecrackers are for!
Or a little extra Testors cement and a match!
This person has been advertising this for quite some time.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4529883938.html
I'm thinking it MIGHT be a 2500.00 car but what do I know?
I have trouble coming up with a less appealing 1965 car than that Fairlane, except a 4-door Fairlane. Nothing there for me...
I like that it is on old plates with old frames, but this is a flipper who can't take the hint. Probably paid $1500 for it, at most. Not terribly sought after, and you can't get from there to nice when starting at 7K and not lose your shirt. The keyword garbage at the end also signifies a jerk.
I agree. Not worth the restoration costs even if they are minimal.
I'm thinking that if it were a "decent" driver, MAYBE 5-6000 dollars would be all the money.
Maybe better served as an Organ Donor.
Oh, man....EXACTLY what I was looking for!
I just hope I can beat fintail over there!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4529343418.html
I know exactly where that car is, around NE 20th and 130th. It sits outside a lot.
Edit: There it is!
damn. love the car... hate the bling.
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65 Fairlaine---you got it, about a $2000 car at best. I'd rate it a #4 minus. Might make an okay rat-rod for someone.
someone was looking for a hot rod wagon, right? This one, I like. Just need to pull the tint off, and get rid of the hideous wheels, and quite the hauler.
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/4522941931.html
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same guy has this one. Seems to be trying to corner the market on hot rod chevy wagons with nasty wheels.
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How'd he get those wide wheels in there. Is this thing tubbed? Price is okay but the restoration work looks pretty old.
I remember when I was younger, someone in town made a ~70 Vista Cruiser into a 442 style trim car - it was actually really nice looking. This was back in the 90s when something like that wasn't worth much yet. It seemed really well done. Sadly, I have a vague memory of later seeing it with body damage.
I'm a bit confused on his ad. He states "NON TEXTING WILL NOT RESPOND" and then ends with "Call xxx-xxx-xxxx." Does that mean he won't respond to me if I'm a non-texter...?? So... man, I don't know if I'm supposed to call or text. Guess I can't buy from him. Shucks.
I don't mind the wheels on the Chevelle. Found the other ad. I guess that answers the texting confusion. Wheels are definitely not good on that one and the price is pretty strong given the iffy looking work in some areas.
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I like this - such a period piece - with lease end in about 7 months, my eyes are always open.
But it's not a hammer. You could buy a really clean 300CE Cabriolet, years newer, for that money.
Hammers are a world of their own. A 300CE Hammer will be 30K minimum - and it would probably have needs. Good luck finding engine parts. A 300TE Hammer wagon would bring even more.
One can get a genuinely really nice low mileage cabrio (newest one would be a 95, not that much newer) for maybe 13-15K. There was a 50K mile one for sale locally for 15. An AMG trim cabrio would appeal to me - a plain one is too normal. I value rarity. I don't need the mechanical bits, but I'd like the body/suspension/exhaust.
That's pretty sweet. I dare say I actually think that's worth pretty close to that money, at least in my eyes.
I am surprised the back seat is so much tighter than in a 4-door of that vintage, though. That one looks pretty uninhabitable by anyone other than small children.
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I don't mind the wheels on the Chevelle wagon but the nose is a 70, not a 71. Given what the term 'big block Chevy' is worth in the NE, price seems reasonable. Seeing that SS dash with the wood trim is kind of funky
It's been a long time coming, but I finally got my whitewalls and Mirada/Cordoba alloys mounted on my '79 5th Ave. Here she be...
they look good on there. snazzy it right up.
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How Not To Sell a Truck:
I've been looking around for a pickup to haul stuff---saw this, and I am still scratching my head....
No title, no smog, not running for two years, bad paint, 173,000 miles.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4537714433.html
WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?!!
It sounds like a piece of crap but y'know, people pay stupid money for trucks. At least, around here they do. There's a guy at work who recently bought a Ford Ranger. I forget the details, but when he mentioned about how he had to pull the bed off of it to take care of some rust, I figured that he overpaid big-time! But, it was also 4wd, which might carry a premium.
You know, it's bad enough that you have to usually FIX a truck that's selling for only $2300--I can accept that...but why would someone buy a truck that didn't run and had no smog and no papers for $2300----and why would a seller EXPECT anyone to pay that when he's put so many obstacles in the way?
I mean, is a jump-start so hard? Getting a duplicate title? $15 bucks and two weeks wait. Smog? That's your responsibility as a seller.
Then he could say "hear it run", have title and smog in hand---come get it.
And someone would have bought it by now.
Too risky on three different levels. For those risks, I'd want to pay about $600 bucks.
"Too risky on three different levels. For those risks, I'd want to pay about $600 bucks."
Once he realizes that no one will pay anywhere near his asking price - say, in one month - he may accept $600 if, IF he's serious about getting rid of it. Of course, someone may offer him $2,000, happy that they're buying it at a discount. Doubtful, but possible. You never know with old vehicles.
Yeah but what if he jumped title--then you own nothing for $2000. Or if it needs a new transmission? Way too risky.
The biggest thing that would scare me about that truck would be the age/mileage. I'm really not that scared of something from the 70's, or even something from the 80's or early 90's if it's low-tech enough, like a Caprice or Ford Panther. But when you start getting into that higher-tech/expensive to repair era, I figure that unless it's really nice/low-mileage/lovingly-maintained, then you might as well just bypass it and spend a few bucks more for something newer.
At least, if the transmission in my '85 Silverado goes out, it's only about $650 or so to replace. And, those old THM350's were pretty durable transmissions. But with that Dakota, I'd guess maybe $1800 or more? And more likely to fail, as well.
well, at least by 1998 standards, the Dakota is about as low tech as you can get.
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Looks good! Those wheels really suit the car, one could believe they were stock, which I guess is almost true.
I like them bluewalls
On the subject of Chevelle wagons
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/video-i-love-the-80s-one-sweet-1970-chevelle-wagon/
Man, what a time capsule
so a parts car (truck) that might not even have any good parts on it. Maybe he thinks its a 4wd v8 model? Cause at least then it would be worth like $1500 as a parts vehicle.
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Somehow he thinks he doesn't have to lift a finger to sell it.
Nice ad.
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If you follow it, it would be interesting to know whether it sells, as is, and for how much.
Oh, c'mon--he plays the "man's truck" card and then gives us a 6 cylinder? BAH!
hahah... I thought exactly the same thing.
Now, I know people are avoiding Saabs but I'm really liking the value here, personally.
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