@Mr_Shiftright said:
Oh, c'mon--he plays the "man's truck" card and then gives us a 6 cylinder? BAH!
Yeah, but that 300 inline-6 is probably about as "man truck" as a 6-cyl could get. I've heard that the Ford huggers brag about its ruggedness just as much as the Mopar lovers coo over the slant six.
Somehow though, I can see Red Foreman from "That 70's Show" writing that ad. Just reading it, I can hear his voice.
And if somebody low-balls him he'll probably say "I'd let it rust in the driveway before I sell it for that". To which his wife would then quip "But honey...it IS rusting in the driveway!" and following up with an annoying, yet endearing laugh...
Actually, if that truck was closer to me, I'd be half-tempted to look at it. Might make a decent replacement for my '85 Silverado...which is DEFINITELY rusting in the driveway!
I know my 2012 Ram was supposed to replace my Silverado...but then just the other day, I used the Chevy to pull up a tree stump...
While I'm sure my 2012 Ram would have been capable, it just didn't feel right using it to do this.
@Mr_Shiftright said:
Oh, c'mon--he plays the "man's truck" card and then gives us a 6 cylinder? BAH!
I disagree... to some extent. I mean, it takes a man to own a 2WD inline-6 regardless, but this truck has very few creature comforts. So, yeah, I'm still in agreement with the statements regarding modern trucks, plus you have to be a "real man" to be seen in a baby blue 2WD. LOL
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@Mr_Shiftright said:
The main issue with buying a used Saab is finding someone to work on them. That does seem like a good value and miles aren't too bad.
well, that's easy in my case.
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@Mr_Shiftright said:
Oh, c'mon--he plays the "man's truck" card and then gives us a 6 cylinder? BAH!
Not to mention an automatic transmission, power steering, and power brakes. A "man's truck" has a 3 on the tree (or four on the floor with 1st being a granny gear), and power steering and brakes by Armstrong (and Legstrong?).
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Geez, by the time you spent all that money, you could drop a Ford crate engine in there. The gas mileage is bad enough on those Ford 300s, I can only imagine the horror of dual Webers. >
It's a good engine but it does not summon up archetypal visions of American manliness. Can you imagine Steve McQueen in a 6 cylinder Mustang doing that car chase scene?
Let's just say it---somebody, long ago, wimped out when checking off the options list at the Ford truck dealer. If that truck has a gun rack, it should be holding an umbrella, perhaps with a nice floral pattern.
Say what you will but that 300 Ford engine is as tough as they come. I believe they have seven main bearings. The head is so heavy it takes a cherry picker to lift it.
Those engines are just strong and dependable beasts. Gas mileage is terrible.
Did something dumb today. Left the parking lights on and the Mustang had a dead battery when I went to leave work. AAA jumped it to get it going. Great! While driving it, I noticed the air bag light was blinking a pattern. Looks like it is a $200 sensor, from my searching the internets for what the code means and what the part is.
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On the plus side, I bet it would class up my neighborhood, sitting in the yard with weeds growing up around it, in a way that my '68 Dart never could. Or even that '52 Benz I was storing for a friend.
Take it on a test drive, drive it HARD for 1/2 hour, and if it doesn't break down, park it and let it idle, and if it doesn't overheat, bend down and see what's leaking. If it passes those 3 tests, I'd buy it for $1200. Then add $1800 for that "charge" on the AC, and you have a pretty nice ride for $3000 bucks.
I mean, what could go wrong? Charge up the A/C and you might drive it another 270,000 miles.
Hey, it makes a nice impression in the driveway. If it passes the Shifty stress test and you can buy it for $1,200, just drive it locally on cool weather weekends.
I just found this pic of my DeSoto, which was taken a few years ago, early on it its rehab. I thought it was kind of an interesting contrast, with the Volvo sign behind it!
Looks beautiful. I have half a mind to contact the seller, myself. Some say 1983 is the best year for 123s, as the 84 and 85 cars had mandatory CA emissions (vacuum controls, IIRC) which can go wrong. The final run cars like this one had some other updates like interior trim and transmission gearing, so it might be a wash.
I think there's no way in hell you'd get it for less than $7500, and I'd even be surprised if it was under 10K. There are a lot of devotees of those cars now, and the supply of genuinely nice ones isn't growing. Seller's market for minters - and he knows it by hunting for "offers". Maybe if I pulled up in the fintail, he'd like me and let it go for less. Hmmm...
@isellhondas said:
I really am liking this one but when the price isn't posted it's usually unrealistic.
Funny pic. I like the mix of cars around it too - American and Euro, old and not as old. I wonder if the blue Austin Healey is real or one of the later re-creations. Looks like one of the desirable "big" models.
@andre1969 said:
I just found this pic of my DeSoto, which was taken a few years ago, early on it its rehab. I thought it was kind of an interesting contrast, with the Volvo sign behind it!
Looks like a nice car---awful color though IMO----anyway, if it ran beautifully and had ZERO problems, I'd peg it at about $10K to $13,5K . The miles are high though, no matter what any romantic might say about Mercedes diesels---that engine has still spun around a lot of times in 179,000 miles. So I'd insist on a tight transmission, no engine leaks, and very little exhaust smoke, and of course, working HVAC, no broken window regulators, no defunct differential HN compensator, and no worn out suspension.
Car looks great, though---not your typical flogged 300D beater tortured by aging hippies.
I'm really holding myself back in resisting to contact the seller of that wagon. I'd like to be humored about his price. If I told him about my longterm MB ownership and knowledge of older models, maybe he'd see me as a good home. I know a couple of 20-something W123 enthusiasts (they exist) who'd be green with envy if I picked up something like that.
20-something W123 enthusiasts don't have that kind of money, and their affluent parents probably wouldn't fund such a frivolity.
Telling the seller you're not a flipper (there's a well known dealer in CA who flip old MBs) might help too. His ad makes it sounds like emotion will be a part of the sale.
hey, now. That's the color of my w124.
Although that interior seems darker than mine, but could be the lighting.
I like my exterior color. the gold is a bit darker than you see on most other vehicles on the road.
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I hope that Caddy looks better in person, because the first image that popped into my mind is a hideous "Pharoah's Gold" '74 Caddy that Lemko, KeystoneCarFan, and me used to see on a regular basis at a car show in Macungie, PA. Although now that I pull up the pic, the new color isn't nearly that bad...
Yeah, it may be period-correct, but this is one reason why I say the 70's were the best of times, and the worst of times. They had some really gorgeous colors, but some really bad ones as well. Sometimes, IMO at least, too much choice is a bad thing! The interior of this car was done up in a matching color, as well. Normally I'm not a huge fan of vinyl roofs, even on the sort of car I go for, but in this case, I think a black vinyl top would be a huge improvement!
It could be worse, like a poo-poo brown or weird beige or something. I think GM had some nice light metallic blues that would look pretty sharp on a Caddy of that period. And the gold interior on that car would be too much. That gold was probably seen as really chic for a couple years anyway.
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Yeah, but that 300 inline-6 is probably about as "man truck" as a 6-cyl could get. I've heard that the Ford huggers brag about its ruggedness just as much as the Mopar lovers coo over the slant six.
Somehow though, I can see Red Foreman from "That 70's Show" writing that ad. Just reading it, I can hear his voice.
And if somebody low-balls him he'll probably say "I'd let it rust in the driveway before I sell it for that". To which his wife would then quip "But honey...it IS rusting in the driveway!" and following up with an annoying, yet endearing laugh...
Actually, if that truck was closer to me, I'd be half-tempted to look at it. Might make a decent replacement for my '85 Silverado...which is DEFINITELY rusting in the driveway!
I know my 2012 Ram was supposed to replace my Silverado...but then just the other day, I used the Chevy to pull up a tree stump...
While I'm sure my 2012 Ram would have been capable, it just didn't feel right using it to do this.
Real men drive minivans.
The main issue with buying a used Saab is finding someone to work on them. That does seem like a good value and miles aren't too bad.
I disagree... to some extent. I mean, it takes a man to own a 2WD inline-6 regardless, but this truck has very few creature comforts. So, yeah, I'm still in agreement with the statements regarding modern trucks, plus you have to be a "real man" to be seen in a baby blue 2WD. LOL
well, that's easy in my case.
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The truck ad didn't mention a transmission, so I'm guessing it's an auto.
If that Ford truck is an automatic, what would it have? A C4 or C6? Isn't the C6 the one that's pretty much indestructible?
An F100 with an inline 6? My guess is that it has the C4.
@andre1969, Is that some kind of power adder formula sitting on the tailgate in your first picture?
Not to mention an automatic transmission, power steering, and power brakes. A "man's truck" has a 3 on the tree (or four on the floor with 1st being a granny gear), and power steering and brakes by Armstrong (and Legstrong?).
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If I had that F100, I might give Clifford a call, see if "6=8"...
http://www.cliffordperformance.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CP&Category_Code=F300
Geez, by the time you spent all that money, you could drop a Ford crate engine in there. The gas mileage is bad enough on those Ford 300s, I can only imagine the horror of dual Webers. >
Sure, never said it made sense! I've had a soft spot for 6s, starting with my 170 cid Mustang, then my 198 cid Duster. So a 300 would be a 'big block
It's a good engine but it does not summon up archetypal visions of American manliness. Can you imagine Steve McQueen in a 6 cylinder Mustang doing that car chase scene?
Let's just say it---somebody, long ago, wimped out when checking off the options list at the Ford truck dealer. If that truck has a gun rack, it should be holding an umbrella, perhaps with a nice floral pattern.
Say what you will but that 300 Ford engine is as tough as they come. I believe they have seven main bearings. The head is so heavy it takes a cherry picker to lift it.
Those engines are just strong and dependable beasts. Gas mileage is terrible.
I did say that
Didn't someone start making hot-rod parts for the 300 six years ago? I thought they could be made to put out decent power.
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See the note above on Clifford. They're still making the parts.
Did something dumb today. Left the parking lights on and the Mustang had a dead battery when I went to leave work. AAA jumped it to get it going. Great! While driving it, I noticed the air bag light was blinking a pattern. Looks like it is a $200 sensor, from my searching the internets for what the code means and what the part is.
New member needs some advice about his weathered Chevy here. Thanks!
Want - this is my ideal G, green with a plaid interior. Could only be better if it was a dorky two door soft top model. I'd drive this.
Rare but pricey - and apparently ready for the airport
How about a REAL money pit?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4545387550.html
I mean, what could go wrong? Charge up the A/C and you might drive it another 270,000 miles.
Any BRAVE souls out there?
Maybe record mileage for an XJ40. Buy it, contact Jag NA, have them give you a new XJ in exchange for this museum piece.
@isellhondas said:
On the plus side, I bet it would class up my neighborhood, sitting in the yard with weeds growing up around it, in a way that my '68 Dart never could. Or even that '52 Benz I was storing for a friend.
Andre, maybe the seller would be willing to do a swap for your pickup!
You could have a nice, relaxing drive home after simply adding some Freon to the A/C!
Oh man, rain gutters all the way around. The roof rack permutations would be endless.
You could probably put another car or a small house on that thing.
I suppose the way to approach this car is thusly:
Take it on a test drive, drive it HARD for 1/2 hour, and if it doesn't break down, park it and let it idle, and if it doesn't overheat, bend down and see what's leaking. If it passes those 3 tests, I'd buy it for $1200. Then add $1800 for that "charge" on the AC, and you have a pretty nice ride for $3000 bucks.
Hey, it makes a nice impression in the driveway. If it passes the Shifty stress test and you can buy it for $1,200, just drive it locally on cool weather weekends.
hahaha. "normal wear"
Ain't nothing normal about 270k miles, especially on a Jag.
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Doesn't "normal wear" for a 270,000 mile car usually mean it's standing at Death's door, but just hasn't rung the bell yet?
I just found this pic of my DeSoto, which was taken a few years ago, early on it its rehab. I thought it was kind of an interesting contrast, with the Volvo sign behind it!
I really am liking this one but when the price isn't posted it's usually unrealistic.
Shifty, can you put a number on it?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4545766317.html
Looks beautiful. I have half a mind to contact the seller, myself. Some say 1983 is the best year for 123s, as the 84 and 85 cars had mandatory CA emissions (vacuum controls, IIRC) which can go wrong. The final run cars like this one had some other updates like interior trim and transmission gearing, so it might be a wash.
I think there's no way in hell you'd get it for less than $7500, and I'd even be surprised if it was under 10K. There are a lot of devotees of those cars now, and the supply of genuinely nice ones isn't growing. Seller's market for minters - and he knows it by hunting for "offers". Maybe if I pulled up in the fintail, he'd like me and let it go for less. Hmmm...
Funny pic. I like the mix of cars around it too - American and Euro, old and not as old. I wonder if the blue Austin Healey is real or one of the later re-creations. Looks like one of the desirable "big" models.
Looks like a nice car---awful color though IMO----anyway, if it ran beautifully and had ZERO problems, I'd peg it at about $10K to $13,5K . The miles are high though, no matter what any romantic might say about Mercedes diesels---that engine has still spun around a lot of times in 179,000 miles. So I'd insist on a tight transmission, no engine leaks, and very little exhaust smoke, and of course, working HVAC, no broken window regulators, no defunct differential HN compensator, and no worn out suspension.
Car looks great, though---not your typical flogged 300D beater tortured by aging hippies.
I'm really holding myself back in resisting to contact the seller of that wagon. I'd like to be humored about his price. If I told him about my longterm MB ownership and knowledge of older models, maybe he'd see me as a good home. I know a couple of 20-something W123 enthusiasts (they exist) who'd be green with envy if I picked up something like that.
And then flip it. LOL.
20-something W123 enthusiasts don't have that kind of money, and their affluent parents probably wouldn't fund such a frivolity.
Telling the seller you're not a flipper (there's a well known dealer in CA who flip old MBs) might help too. His ad makes it sounds like emotion will be a part of the sale.
hey, now. That's the color of my w124.
Although that interior seems darker than mine, but could be the lighting.
I like my exterior color. the gold is a bit darker than you see on most other vehicles on the road.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
That W123 has already been 'deleted by author'...
It was an immaculate gold on tan 85 wagon, if you missed it.
I am kind of glad the listing is gone. I was starting to think of strategies about it.
Sorry-- I didn't see "gold"---my browser showed it a kind of mauve color.
Yikes. Can't car shop online with that kind of handicap. ;b
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Yeah it was definitely that typical MB gold on tan, hugely popular on late 123s and earlier 126s, even earlier run 124s.
It is different than the gold 190E we had, though. That was a lighter gold, much like the Volvo XC90 we had. Our 300E is definitely a "richer" gold.
Funny enough, I just saw a newer Caddy this morning in a very similar gold to our 300E.
Here it is:
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I hope that Caddy looks better in person, because the first image that popped into my mind is a hideous "Pharoah's Gold" '74 Caddy that Lemko, KeystoneCarFan, and me used to see on a regular basis at a car show in Macungie, PA. Although now that I pull up the pic, the new color isn't nearly that bad...
That 74 color is period correct, anyway. And not boring! The MB gold is inoffensive, probably hides dirt well.
Yeah, it may be period-correct, but this is one reason why I say the 70's were the best of times, and the worst of times. They had some really gorgeous colors, but some really bad ones as well. Sometimes, IMO at least, too much choice is a bad thing! The interior of this car was done up in a matching color, as well.
Normally I'm not a huge fan of vinyl roofs, even on the sort of car I go for, but in this case, I think a black vinyl top would be a huge improvement!
It could be worse, like a poo-poo brown or weird beige or something. I think GM had some nice light metallic blues that would look pretty sharp on a Caddy of that period. And the gold interior on that car would be too much. That gold was probably seen as really chic for a couple years anyway.