Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    Hidden headlights and those wheels, nice combo.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm not feelin' it with that car...something chaotic about it.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I like old Mopars, but I'm with you Shifty on this one. Of course, I'm not a fan generally of hidden headlights anyway. As Sly & the Family Stone said "Different strokes for different folks".
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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Look at this (LIKE A BOSS)
    What a car (LIKE A BOSS)
    Up to my eyeballs at work (LIKE A BOSS)
    Hidden headlights (LIKE A BOSS)
    I'm not feelin' it (LIKE A BOSS)

    I think it's presidential (LIKE A BOSS)
    A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    Where would you peg a "tribute" car?

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,607
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I'm not feelin' it with that car...something chaotic about it.

    I can identify something. That car has the strangest position for the master power window switches that I've ever seen.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    bhill2 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I'm not feelin' it with that car...something chaotic about it.

    I can identify something. That car has the strangest position for the master power window switches that I've ever seen.
    That's where Ma Mopar always put them.

    Not sure what Shifty means about "chaotic".

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    qbrozen said:
    they are labeled 2v and 4v. I assumed that meant valves. Maybe not.

    The V actually stands for Venturi I believe 
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    qbrozen said:
    Where would you peg a "tribute" car?
    Nice paint, but wrong seats, wrong spoiler, exhaust doesn't look factory.  Probably a decent big block driver but won't fool anyone 
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    edited March 2017
    gsemike said:


    Nice paint, but wrong seats, wrong spoiler, exhaust doesn't look factory.  Probably a decent big block driver but won't fool anyone 

    If I ever bought a tribute or clone or whatever they want to call it, I'd remove any badges or stickers that only belong on a real one. I don't care about fooling anyone. I just want the performance. And that GS looks damned nice.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I wonder if that Buick would actually look better in a lighter color rather than black?
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    berri said:
    I wonder if that Buick would actually look better in a lighter color rather than black?
    And it's a post car which is wrong. All GSs were hardtops 
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    gsemike said:


    And it's a post car which is wrong. All GSs were hardtops 

    good catch

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    Not sure if this is worth 30K USD, but if you want rare, this is it - finishes look right to me, never seen another one. Definitely better to buy one like this than restore a heap, if this kind of thing floats your boat - restoration costs have to be monumental.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    Caught a break in the ceaseless rain this morning, and took the old dear out for a drive. It's been 3-4 weeks since the car has been on the road - started right up and ran fine. No videos as I forgot the camera mount, just a gratuitous pic :) :

    image
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    fintail said:
    Not sure if this is worth 30K USD, but if you want rare, this is it - finishes look right to me, never seen another one. Definitely better to buy one like this than restore a heap, if this kind of thing floats your boat - restoration costs have to be monumental.
    That is truly awful

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    qbrozen said:


    fintail said:

    Not sure if this is worth 30K USD, but if you want rare, this is it - finishes look right to me, never seen another one. Definitely better to buy one like this than restore a heap, if this kind of thing floats your boat - restoration costs have to be monumental.

    That is truly awful


    How so? I was fairly impressed.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    I think it's cool in that freaky weird kind of way.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    ab348 said:
    fintail said:
    Not sure if this is worth 30K USD, but if you want rare, this is it - finishes look right to me, never seen another one. Definitely better to buy one like this than restore a heap, if this kind of thing floats your boat - restoration costs have to be monumental.
    That is truly awful
    How so? I was fairly impressed.
    If you mean impressed by how overdone, confusing, and gaudy one vehicle can be, I agree. ;b

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    must be a 1 of 1 deal there.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,607
    qbrozen said:


    ab348 said:

    qbrozen said:


    fintail said:

    Not sure if this is worth 30K USD, but if you want rare, this is it - finishes look right to me, never seen another one. Definitely better to buy one like this than restore a heap, if this kind of thing floats your boat - restoration costs have to be monumental.

    That is truly awful

    How so? I was fairly impressed.

    If you mean impressed by how overdone, confusing, and gaudy one vehicle can be, I agree. ;b

    What makes me scratch my head is that the exterior trim is from a Bonneville. Not only is that the top trim level (on an ambulance??) there was no 4-door Bonneville that year. Excuse me, but I'm confused.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Actually, that overall style is kind of like a lot of ambulances of that era looked. Remember, it is 1958. The year of often overwrought styling, the jet age and the atomic age sometimes referred to as "Populuxe" with kitchens starting to take on pastel colors and over decorated appliances...well, you get the picture. For me, I like a 58 Pontiac either as a Bonneville or a station wagon which isn't surprising because I like the 58 Chevy Impala and station wagon.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    Well, it only has 3 stars on the rear quarter cove so that signifies a Chieftain. But yes, it does have the lower front fender strakes and the Bonneville-style applique at the rear door cutout. Maybe that was done by the body builder originally? No idea. The question I had was about the seat upholstery cloth, which looks newish and unlike what I see in the brochure, yet they say it is unrestored.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    People have subjective definitions of "unrestored", "original" etc. I have seen "original" cars with new everything.

    I bet the trim could be added by the builder, I know it worked that way for MB conversions anyway - if you wanted 300SE trim on your 220S conversion, just check the box.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I may be mistaken, but I believe the 58 Bonneville was restricted to coupe and convertible like its sister Impala that year.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    http://www.blacktieclassics.com/details.asp?VID=281573

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    I think you posted this one the other day, but I like it. I also love the plum crazy purple color. Only thing I would want on this one is a 4 speed and bucket seats, assuming it has PS and disk brakes up front.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    and first nice day this week when I am looking to avoid working, I might need to pop over there to browse. Right across the street from the bakery that has great fresh bread and rolls. Sounds like a fine excuse to be in the area.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,125
    Some of the best bread around...  when I was little my Grandmom would take me to the original location up the street from us and I would get the rolls hot off of the conveyor.  

    I looked at some Lincoln at that lot years ago.  Was a definite 10 footer, it seems they buy and fix up the cars.  Many that were displayed were clearly works in progress. 

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    I think I went to the store down the pike once, but that is not very convenient. The lindenwald location still has same day fresh, so good enough for us.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    Did I? Could not remember. I do like me a plum dodge.

    There is a place much closed to me that has been there for decades. Here are some of their offerings.

    http://www.futureclassicsnj.com/vehicles/7/1969-buick-skylark

    http://www.futureclassicsnj.com/vehicles/45/1971-dodge-charger

    http://www.futureclassicsnj.com/vehicles/4/1961-ford-thunderbird

    http://www.futureclassicsnj.com/vehicles/6/1962-studebaker-hawk

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,125
    I like the T-bird, good colors.   

    Buick looks nice too, I'm sure you could massage that 350 and make some nice Hp. 

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,706
    I could love that Buick Skylark. But first thing I'd do is get rid of that ridiculous yellow wiring and put in some that's stock.


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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,581
    Nice pics, they know the settings on their camera. T-Bird is a lot of style for the money. Uplanderguy can tell us if the Hawk is good or not.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    only one of those that I like is the Buick.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Don't like the color on it, otherwise I'd go for the Hawk.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    re: the term "chaotic": It's a word I use to describe styling that, to my eye, is not uniform or logical throughout the car. Lines that go nowhere, or the front and rear of the car not agreeing on anything. The car doesn't speak any "language"--more like babble, if that makes any sense.

    re: Pontiac ambulance--there is a very active "commercial vehicle" hobby, and sometimes there are separate classes at car shows for this type of car. It's a sliver of a niche market, and a very hard sell. These vehicles are often very large, hence difficult to garage, and one might describe them as "in your face" rather than beautiful.

    On the other hand, they do represent a kind of cultural history. Most commercial vehicles are discarded, so they tend to be rare and rarely seen by the public.

    I have seen these collected by "car wranglers", who rent the vehicles out to movies and TV interests.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    Nothing worse than a Mopar "muscle" car with a 318 under the hood. That started life as grandma's grocery-getter most likely.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    imidazol97 said:

    I could love that Buick Skylark. But first thing I'd do is get rid of that ridiculous yellow wiring and put in some that's stock.


    WHAT?!? And give up all the extra horsepower those yellow wires generate?

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,607
    berri said:

    Don't like the color on it, otherwise I'd go for the Hawk.

    If the listing is correct, it's an export model. The ones sold in the US and Canada had the 289 ci engine. I also thought the Stude automatic was 3-speed by that time, but I could be wrong on that.

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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,632
    ab348 said:

    Nothing worse than a Mopar "muscle" car with a 318 under the hood. That started life as grandma's grocery-getter most likely.

    I thought the same. I guess it could be worse if it was a slant six..

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,389
    edited March 2017
    bhill2 said:

    berri said:

    Don't like the color on it, otherwise I'd go for the Hawk.

    If the listing is correct, it's an export model. The ones sold in the US and Canada had the 289 ci engine. I also thought the Stude automatic was 3-speed by that time, but I could be wrong on that.
    I understand the Flightomatic was actually a 3-speed, but started out in second gear when "D" was selected. You needed to shift into "L" to get 1st.

    Assuming that is true, I wonder if they misidentified the engine size as well.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    sda said:
    Nothing worse than a Mopar "muscle" car with a 318 under the hood. That started life as grandma's grocery-getter most likely.
    I thought the same. I guess it could be worse if it was a slant six..
    BUT, I would still consider it if it is nice otherwise. I think this may be one of those vehicles that could be worth more with a motor swap.

    Curious what shifty thinks of that recent group and what more fair values might be. Prices on the Stude and Tbird make me think they may be dogs.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    ab348 said:

    Nothing worse than a Mopar "muscle" car with a 318 under the hood. That started life as grandma's grocery-getter most likely.

    My first car was a 73 Charger. With 140k and a 318 2 barrel, the car had some balls, at least in my high school mind. I think that a 318 can be built on par with a 350 Chevy or 302 Ford. Nice driver, not muscle car. It does seem however that the halo effect on the hemi and 440 cars has really trickled down and inflated the price on 318 cars.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    That charger, if the body was solid (I hate rust) and it was cheap, would be a nice base for a road runner clone or tribute. Some sort of resto mod, since it is worth diddly stock.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    Actually looking at it, with the engine mods, probably plenty quick for a cruiser. I like this one a lot. Just needs a manual trans swap!

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    2006 Saab 9-3 Aero 2.8T SportCombi Wagon Manual 6 speed

    https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6007388181.html

    Not something you see everyday
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,640
    I love that wagon. Probably quite fun, and super useful.

    I also would not touch with a 10 foot pole.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,781
    Seller is on crack

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