Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

texases

That Mach 1 originally had a 351, somebody put in the 429, no comment on its state of tune. That's a heavy engine, I'd rather have the 351...

ab348

A high school friend when I was in my junior year had a dad who must have been doing well, as he bought Glen a new '71 Mach 1 to drive back and forth from school. Sort of a copper color with a saddle interior. I remember riding in it and thinking it seemed almost impossible to see out of, and that for such a big car it sure didn't have much room inside. I thought that gen of Mustang looked good, but with time I really don't like them much now. Would much rather have a '68.

qbrozen

texases said:

That Mach 1 originally had a 351, somebody put in the 429, no comment on its state of tune. That's a heavy engine, I'd rather have the 351...

A 429 was available, in 2 different tunes, as well.

From what I have found, stock for stock, the 429 would add about 130 lbs over a 351. If you swap in aluminum heads and intake, it could knock that difference down to about 80 lbs.

qbrozen

ab348 said:

A high school friend when I was in my junior year had a dad who must have been doing well, as he bought Glen a new '71 Mach 1 to drive back and forth from school. Sort of a copper color with a saddle interior. I remember riding in it and thinking it seemed almost impossible to see out of, and that for such a big car it sure didn't have much room inside. I thought that gen of Mustang looked good, but with time I really don't like them much now. Would much rather have a '68.

Funny, I'm just the opposite. It is not until recently that I appreciate the 69-72 Stangs. I used to ONLY like the 65-68. Now, a '67 fastback would probably still be my top choice, but I am digging these early 70s models I've been running across lately.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302239453909?ul_noapp=true

6 hours left. $16k current bid, but reserve not met. Wonder what he wants for a $30k resto that is completely non-original now. It sure is pretty.

Yes, originally a 351 engine. If he's looking for Cobra Jet money, that's not going to happen.

Bids are too low however, nonetheless.

qbrozen

Mr_Shiftright said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302239453909?ul_noapp=true 6 hours left. $16k current bid, but reserve not met. Wonder what he wants for a $30k resto that is completely non-original now. It sure is pretty.

Yes, originally a 351 engine. If he's looking for Cobra Jet money, that's not going to happen. Bids are too low however, nonetheless.

What do you think that should be worth?

imidazol97

ab348 said:

Yes. The '72 Torino to get is the "Sportsroof" fastback, which unfortunately are as rare as hens teeth these days. Not sure why but '72 Torinos are very hard to find these days in almost any style.

H20. They rusted out fast. I had a 73 and it was bad also at rusting although I didn't keep it that long. I saw what was happening to the ones in NE Ohio due to rust starting at 1 year.

berri

Fin, that dark green w/black vinyl roof Torino Sportsroof captures the era perfectly!

I'm not sure of the exact years (somewhere in the 73-75 time period), but a guy I knew was a sales rep with a new company car every year. He told me that his company put down an edict that they could no longer order the Torino because of too many mechanical issues. I think dropping rear ends was one of them, but not sure. He had a large territory and probably put around 100K on a car each year. Didn't affect him because he always ordered a GM midsize each year. But that kind of annual mileage would probably point out weak spots in a model fairly quickly I'd think.

fintail

You're familiar with the movie "Gran Torino", right? From around 2008, Clint Eastwood, and one of the stars is that very 72 model pictured above.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

qbrozen said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302239453909?ul_noapp=true

6 hours left. $16k current bid, but reserve not met. Wonder what he wants for a $30k resto that is completely non-original now. It sure is pretty.

Yes, originally a 351 engine. If he's looking for Cobra Jet money, that's not going to happen.

Bids are too low however, nonetheless.

What do you think that should be worth?

It'd tricky to appraise bastardized cars, but by my reasoning, even though it appears to have been a real Mach 1, it's not an OEM motor, so it has to be worth less than a stock '71 Mach 1 with a 351 in say "local show condition".

So, deducting from the mid to high 30s for a correct #2, I'd have to put this one in the high $20Ks at best. Maybe at Barrett-Jackson during a drunken orgy of bidding, it could pull some more.

These "fat" Mustangs have been stagnant in value for quite some time. Interest seems to be waning.

gsemike

Opinions Needed

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6019367002.html

Rebuilt title. Seems to be 25% below book for a clean car. Currently titles and on the road for over a year by current owner with no reported issues. I tend to hold onto my cars so wouldn't be likely to sell for quite a while

stickguy

You called about it? Or carfax? Ad says clean title. Sharp looking though. Good price for a non rebuilt car for sure.

gsemike

stickguy said:

You called about it? Or carfax? Ad says clean title. Sharp looking though. Good price for a non rebuilt car for sure.

I spoke to the owner and he told me. Said it was 'just a bumper cover' which I don't buy

stickguy

You can get a dirty car fax from that. Not a rebuilt title.

texases

I'd run away. Ad is deceptive.

Mr_Shiftright

gsemike said:

Opinions Needed

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6019367002.html

Rebuilt title. Seems to be 25% below book for a clean car. Currently titles and on the road for over a year by current owner with no reported issues. I tend to hold onto my cars so wouldn't be likely to sell for quite a while

Ask him for a VIN

gsemike

texases said:

I'd run away. Ad is deceptive.

That's what my gut tells me. Since I especially like that color combo, and really liked the Passat I had as a rental, I keep clicking back to the ad

Mr_Shiftright

With a VIN we can do some checking.

gsemike

Mr_Shiftright said:

With a VIN we can do some checking.

Thanks. I've requested

gsemike

Mr_Shiftright said:

With a VIN we can do some checking.

1VWBH7A38DC133223

TIA

gsemike

gsemike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

With a VIN we can do some checking.

Found this. Doesn't look bad but no sign of the hit

http://veh-markets.com/cars/volkswagen-c/334324-salvage-rebuildable-runs-great-all-airbags-good-vtex-leatherette-heated-seats.html

Mr_Shiftright

"DMV title problems reported. Accident reported on 09/30/2015. Vehicle sold at a salvage auction on 12/22/2015. Severe Damage."

Car is out of Florida.

gsemike

Mr_Shiftright said:

"DMV title problems reported. Accident reported on 09/30/2015. Vehicle sold at a salvage auction on 12/22/2015. Severe Damage."

Car is out of Florida.

Thank you! I found this pic of it before it was repaired (thank you google). Pic doesn't show the hit but a little surprised that it was totalled

texases

Left side must look pretty bad.

fintail

Flood maybe too, then filled with bath salts and meth given the original location.

Also looks to be basic spec, ex-rental perhaps?

gsemike

fintail said:

Flood maybe too, then filled with bath salts and meth given the original location.

Also looks to be basic spec, ex-rental perhaps?

The SE is actually a level up. The S is what you'd most likely find at the Hertz counter

ab348

gsemike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

With a VIN we can do some checking.

1VWBH7A38DC133223

TIA

Car was sold on ebay 2 weeks ago for $3900.


ETA: Here is the salvage auction listing with a good description:

http://veh-markets.com/cars/volkswagen-c/334324-salvage-rebuildable-runs-great-all-airbags-good-vtex-leatherette-heated-seats.html

gsemike

ab348 said:

gsemike said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

With a VIN we can do some checking.

1VWBH7A38DC133223

TIA

Car was sold on ebay 2 weeks ago for $3900.


ETA: Here is the salvage auction listing with a good description:

http://veh-markets.com/cars/volkswagen-c/334324-salvage-rebuildable-runs-great-all-airbags-good-vtex-leatherette-heated-seats.html

The ebay listing is the current seller trying to sell it but reserve not meant. BIN is 8 on ebay and 8200 on craigs now

gsemike

Passat

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Volkswagen-Passat-SE-Sedan-4-Door-/252772877375?nma=true&si=PIa8Uc40RPtBJbtLHz5R8odFDis%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#viTabs_1

Never stumbled onto this before on ebay. Pretty helpful

qbrozen

gsemike said:

Opinions Needed https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/6019367002.html Rebuilt title. Seems to be 25% below book for a clean car. Currently titles and on the road for over a year by current owner with no reported issues. I tend to hold onto my cars so wouldn't be likely to sell for quite a while

As you may know by now, salvage title means half value as far as I'm concerned.

ab348

Apparently you can invest $16 and buy a copy of the police report of the accident.

www.buycrash.com is the site, and FHPF15OFF061151 is the police report ID you enter.

explorerx4

If the airbags are good, it makes me wonder if the car was parked when hit.

Mr_Shiftright

Well if we put the value at around $11,500 before the crash, and given the % at which most insurance companies will total a car, we can assume that the damage estimate was around $7000. So I'd say the damage was more than the description implies. Corner hits can be nasty.

explorerx4

Here is a pic of the corner hit my Expy took back in 2002.
The tire under it was just to keep the frame off the ground.

qbrozen

I know the purists will hate this, but good grief I want it!
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-FORD-MUSTANG-GT-CUSTOM-FASTBACK-206182

BTW, I pre-ordered the Palm Beach BJ auction catalog.

stickguy

Certainly not subtle. And not sure that interior qualifies as "tasteful". But looks fast!

qbrozen

I'd probably swap to some black accents in the interior (carpet, door inserts), but I certainly have no problem with red.

ab348

As Billy Crystal's "Fernando" character would say, "It's better to LOOK fast than to BE fast..."

Actually, I like the car quite a bit. And the interior appeals to me. It is much better-done than many other "custom" interiors I see on cars like that.

fintail

I am not sure "classy" is a word I would use, but it looks to be of good quality. Definitely not a backyard hackjob resto-mod.

qbrozen

Love this

stickguy

I love that too. Only change required is a replacement steering wheel. I despise that ford 2 spoke. And ideally it would be a different color, but looks ok in black.

texases

Nice looking Mach 1 - but I get the feeling it's a 'tribute' car, no mention that it's an original Mach 1.

ab348

texases said:

Nice looking Mach 1 - but I get the feeling it's a 'tribute' car, no mention that it's an original Mach 1.

Yeah, the wording in the ad copy is a bit strange. The "Mach 1 look" phrasing is used a couple of times. Could have been a regular fastback with the Mach 1 bits added.

qbrozen

Good call. Yes, VIN is for a standard fastback, but that engine is correct to that VIN.

texases

No big deal to me, as long as the price is right.

ab348

texases said:

No big deal to me, as long as the price is right.

The Mach 1 for '73 wasn't much more than an appearance package but it did have some sort of different suspension under it which that one may or may not have.

qbrozen

close your eyes, fintail.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-Convertible-/192119441632?hash=item2cbb3608e0:g:k5sAAOSwImRYk~4y&vxp=mtr

ab348

Um, yeah, OK...

Meanwhile, here is a '71 Cutlass Supreme I stumbled upon at a dealer in New Jersey. Seems like a nice car at first glance.

http://www.blacktieclassics.com/details.asp?VID=878720

The car looks pretty enough.



But then I started clicking on the pictures. Holy cow. If the way it's represented on the website is how they do it in person, I would run, not walk, away from this place and never even look at anything they have. Try counting all the things that the guy did wrong in "restoring" it. At least it doesn't appear to have a Chevy engine in it.

stickguy

Wow. Love it. For $9k, if runs right, a bargain.

qbrozen

What is it you take exception to? The fact that they used the word "restored"? They also give a list of incorrect parts in their description. Looks like a nice car. Am I missing something?