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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    Cheap. odometer: 236000

    Rare.. This car will continue to appreciate if cared for

    Cheap and RARE! you'll probably never see another one and if you do it won't be an sti.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    "Hello? Autozone?Yes, I have a question. Do you carry automatic transmission rebuild kits for a 1986 Peugeot 505? .....hello?....hello?

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    505 STi is indeed pretty rare, and that one looks decent. Might not be bad for the devotee if they can get it for 2K or so.

    I am surprised to see a Vehicross outside of the PNW, CO, or upper New England areas.

    Those old Accords keep going if you maintain the oil and timing belt, but they can get worn.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Given the lack of interior photos and the description of the interior on the Accord, I'm not sure I'd want to sit in it...
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    texases said:

    Given the lack of interior photos and the description of the interior on the Accord, I'm not sure I'd want to sit in it...

    Even the seller wanted to stand pretty far away just to take exterior pics!

    I wouldn't mind a Honda wagon but I really liked the old Wagovan Civics.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    fintail said:

    505 STi is indeed pretty rare, and that one looks decent. Might not be bad for the devotee if they can get it for 2K or so.

    I am surprised to see a Vehicross outside of the PNW, CO, or upper New England areas.

    Those old Accords keep going if you maintain the oil and timing belt, but they can get worn.

    You'd have a devil of a time getting service done on a Peugeot. I used to know a few shops, but they've all gone onto other things. Maybe if you joined a club, you could get by--or if you need an excuse to visit France. :p
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited August 2018
    I suspect most Peugeot nuts are DIY types, as there is probably no more than one specialist per state, and the cars aren't exactly high value. The cars are also old enough to not need modern computer assistance.

    I always liked how the 505 (and 504) looked, and the seats look really comfortable - the French have a good history of that, anyway.


    You'd have a devil of a time getting service done on a Peugeot. I used to know a few shops, but they've all gone onto other things. Maybe if you joined a club, you could get by--or if you need an excuse to visit France. :p

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I like Peugeots quite a bit. I think they are generally good cars. I had a diesel 504 and I wish I hadn't sold it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    I wonder if that Edsel is on a truck chassis? Kind of looks like it, but a good fit.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I was out with a friend and previewed the auto auction with the old MBs. The 280SEL looked just like the pics, not too bad under the grime, but probably beyond redemption - the car probably hasn't been on the road in 15-20 years, and the engine bay was a mess. No apparent rust other than the front fender/rocker area, saveable leather interior, nice dash, Becker Europa, AC looked intact, all interior trim intact, all 4 hubcaps in trunk, looked like original paint - I hope it can keep some others on the road, or be used for something.

    SLC was indeed a Euro car, no AC, Euro gauges, manual windows front and back, no sunroof, no headrests, velour was decent under the seatcovers, had all of the weird grey market documentation in the door jam. On the con side, it was a middling quality repaint, I couldn't get the hood to open - but it was warm, so it had been running today. You'd have to love it, but it would appeal to a MB fanatic who likes odd spec.

    My friend, who had never been to such an auction, was attracted to odd things. There was a decent enough 66K mile 91 LeBaron convertible that he thought was remarkable, and he exclaimed for me to come and look when he found a Pacer on the backlot (not in the online listing). 75 Pacer DL, complete sadly save for the rear hatch glass. Other unusual things I noticed were a 97 540i manual (6-speed?) , a soft top Isuzu Amigo, an Allante, Lincoln LSC - 90s style, and an old Mitsu Mighty Max. Pics from the auction company:

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    And something I didn't originally see in the listing, this very clean old Toyota:



    No rust, really nice shape, but it had a boo-boo on the driver's side front corner, maybe a spatial awareness issue from an older owner. Still, someone will buy this and repair it, people love these.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes but who is the last laugh on?

    Hey, if it makes the man happy who bought it,what else is money for?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    @Mr_Siftriht,
    I don't disagree.
    Next up, Mustang II Ghia's. :)
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,686
    Nice!

    I told my brother that our 1974 Pinto wagon was worth more than scrap when my father was talking about disposing of it in 2016. I sent him the title and told him to list it for $1,000 and take no less than $800. That's what he did, and he ended up getting that $800 out of it with little effort.

    I was still a little sad to see it go, but at least it went to an old car enthusiast who "has plans" for it (after many other successful projects throughout the years). I hope he breathes new life into it, because it really was in pretty nice shape (aside from the non-runner aspect).
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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Hey, I kind of liked the looks on the Pinto/Bobcat wagon, as well as the Vega Kammback. As for Mustang II, it wasn't what a Mustang should have been, BUT under a different name it wasn't a bad looker for its day, and all these vehicles kind of fit the times when they were sold.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,285
    A couple of years ago me and my buddy visited a guy who has 2 large storage buildings that he rents out for winter car storage and a small car collection of his own. Among the stuff in his collection was a pristine Pinto wagon, I believe a '76 or '77. This thing was just like new, and I got to sit in it for a while. Took me back in time. Driving one may be another matter.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    They really dropped a Pinto wagon from a helicopter at 1200 feet and had to obtain a Special Airworthiness Certificate from the Federal Aviation Administration to do it.

    Now that's funny.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited August 2018
    @omarman,
    I hate Illinois... Brown shirts. :)
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    berri said:

    Hey, I kind of liked the looks on the Pinto/Bobcat wagon, as well as the Vega Kammback. As for Mustang II, it wasn't what a Mustang should have been, BUT under a different name it wasn't a bad looker for its day, and all these vehicles kind of fit the times when they were sold.

    I might get flamed for this, but I think the Mustang II was actually much closer to what the original was than the bloated 71-73 Model. And of course, need to keep in mind what the state of the car market was in 1974!

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,288
    stickguy said:

    berri said:

    Hey, I kind of liked the looks on the Pinto/Bobcat wagon, as well as the Vega Kammback. As for Mustang II, it wasn't what a Mustang should have been, BUT under a different name it wasn't a bad looker for its day, and all these vehicles kind of fit the times when they were sold.

    I might get flamed for this, but I think the Mustang II was actually much closer to what the original was than the bloated 71-73 Model. And of course, need to keep in mind what the state of the car market was in 1974!
    I may have mentioned this before. I had a friend of mine in California who had two of those era mustang II's

    One was white with a red stripe, and the other was white with a blue stripe. On the official registration and title documents, the car was simply noted as "white". One of them had all of the missions equipment removed, and the engine was breathed upon, just slightly.

    Of course, every year that he took it in for an emissions test, the stock one was what went through the line. He simply put the registration documents and license plate on the other vehicle.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think the '78 King Cobra hatchback is starting to be worth a bit of money. They only made 4,960 of them and a show quality restoration could bring $20K.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I recently learned my car now has "Silver Star" preservation status. I entered for this category at the last club meet, and received the certificate a couple weeks later. It's not a concours type award, just something for largely original cars, but still cool.

    I qualify for one of these grille badges, which I think I will buy and put on the car:

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Neat - what did you have to do to qualify? How did you show it was original?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited August 2018
    An experienced judge (one of those "wrong hose clamps" fans) looked it over and ensured all components were in working order. He had no qualms with my car, I mentioned its quirks. I think the car driving there under its own power is also required. There is a score sheet,where one must receive certain amounts of points to qualify, but the criteria isn't too stringent. I think a car would have to be pretty modified or restored to not be eligible.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's nice that they aren't too anal about it. It used to drive me nuts at car shows seeing people arguing about the shape of a head bolt on a Ford Model A. I mean, "c'mon man!"
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Yeah it's meant to be an inclusive thing for driver quality cars, to generate enthusiasm in the club, rather than a strict concours type event. For instance, the judge had no issue with the electronic ignition in my car, as he knew it helps driveability.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I am coming to enjoy the simplicity of older cars. I even have a hankering for a Model T.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Put that on in Chicago and it will perish faster than you can blink an eye B)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I suspect the old car would just dissolve in a Chicago winter anyway :)

    Speaking of that, I've only lost a hood ornament once, when I was a student parked at a mostly student building, and that was nearly 20 years ago. I don't think it's a thing anymore. Not much worry about it here.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I remember some of the dopes would steal a Chrysler pentastar emblem thinking it was a Mercedes or something B)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    I didn't go through the whole thing, but I particularly like the kiddie pool repurposed as fender flares.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I rather liked the Vette-chero. Sure was a lot of work put into some of these things.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,285
    This would be a rather, ummmm... ambitious project.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I appraised a Spartan Royal Mansion recently--it had been restored to a modern, high-tech level, and it was pretty amazing. That one was going to be towed behind a Ford 250. It was completely off-grid with incredible furnishings, solar and generator power, big screen TV, AC, handmade cabinetry, shower and bath, master bedroom, Wi-Fi, fire suppression, holding tanks, hi-tech insulation, ventilator fans, sun deck, remote control awnings, power staircase----you name it---it had it.

    Cost? About $165,000 to do it up.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    fintail said:

    I think the most valuable SLC is the 5.0 homologation special - all Euro model, 1979-1980:

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    The telltale sign is the unique spoiler, and 5.0 badging (I think some were also badged 500SLC late in the run). These had some aluminum body panels, too:

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    But a 350 is probably easier to find, and as it will lack emissions issues compared to a US spec car, easier to live with.

    As Shifty knows, SLCs have high running costs and are a heavy cruiser, which holds values down.

    Ours is a 450 SLC and it just doesn't fit in with our short/long term plans. I hate advertising it but I wish I could find a home for it.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342

    I am coming to enjoy the simplicity of older cars. I even have a hankering for a Model T.

    Model T's are so primitive. Maybe a nice A would make more sense?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    You're going to need patience, and the right venue. There's a limited market for these. I think you should try Hemmings, maybe MBCA, and try your patience and try CL. If it is really exceptional, maybe BaT. I am sure you will price it realistically. I don't mind these cars and wouldn't mind having one if I had storage space, they are one of the high points of 70s chic - I still think of that green early car that was for sale in Spokane.


    Ours is a 450 SLC and it just doesn't fit in with our short/long term plans. I hate advertising it but I wish I could find a home for it.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited September 2018
    A local guy just picked up this late run (1964) 220SE. Solid body, runs rough - suspected old gas or fuel filter. Complete, even has the hood star in the glovebox. Paid $1900 for it, which seems fair, it would be a lot more in Europe:

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    I suspect it has been reupholstered, but at this point, no harm done:

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    And some local ads:

    Frankencar
    MGB roots showing through
    I like this
    Interesting story
    Ritzy
    Not a manual, but the most interesting 1990 Century anyway
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,350
    some interesting stuff. I would like the Benz if it had normal ride height. And cool history on the 210, too bad doesn't still have the original FI parts.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    What kind of plane is in the background of the Nissan Bluebird ad?
    A7?
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited September 2018

    I am coming to enjoy the simplicity of older cars. I even have a hankering for a Model T.

    Model T's are so primitive. Maybe a nice A would make more sense?
    I see your point, but it's the primitiveness of it that's appealing. Also---now think about this---could one own a more historically significant vehicle. The bragging rights alone!

    I've got my eye on one. It's totally original, it's all there, and it's not rusted. Hard to tell exactly, but I'm thinking it's a 1921. Look at that floor mat!






  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    @isellhondas --I think Fin has a good idea---run it on a BAT auction (Bring-A-Trailer). That will give it a nice home, and you might get a pretty fair price for it. The key is lots of photos and your participation in answering questions during the bidding.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Is that a T roadster or roadster pickup? The latter should be fairly sought after these days.

    Hand controls for speed and weird pedal based gear selection might make it odd in city traffic.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well I don't plan to drive it to San Francisco, unless I'm contemplating suicide :p

    It's the roadster. They have a Model A open top in the collection, and a T coupe, but they are both too far gone for me to mess with them. I'd snag the A pickup for sure but here. take a look:



  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Certainly restorable but I heard that the T roadster actually runs, and that's a big plus. Rebuilding an A engine isn't all that cheap.

    The 3-pedals aren't that hard once you get the hang of it. Set the brake to neutral, advance the spark level to mid-point, advance the throttle and push down the left pedal---zoom! You're in low gear.

    Then once it reaches optimum RPM, you just let off the throttle a bit and lift off the left pedal, and you're in high.

    At this point, all you have to worry about is stopping :p (There's only a transmission brake, none on the wheels unless you add 'em).

    The other pedals are brake and reverse (I need to write down which is which before I drive it) :p

  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Can't see enough from the picture on my screen, but it is Navy, so Corsair seems like a very good guess Explorer.

    Shifty, they may call that old RV a "drivable mansion", but sorry, I'm looking for Cousin Eddy B)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Looks like that A (a 28 or 29) got a sealed beam update probably in the late 40s. Sadly that one indeed looks like beyond redemption unless one is performing a labor of love.
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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    Cool JDM

    That's a 1982 Nissan Bluebird that might make a nice daily driver, especially if you modified it back to a 5-speed stick and changed it to left-hand drive.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    "They say that the price of restoring a car doesn't depend on the amount of money put to finish the project; it’s in the journey throughout the restoration."

    Sometimes they say, "the best way to double your money is to fold it and put it back in your wallet."
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