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2. diesel cars
3. light truck diesels
4. diesel cars and trucks for the passenger vehicle ARE emissions controlled (as are gasser cars and trucks)
A lot of the port traffic is indeed related to tractor trailer big rigs and handling equipment and shipping. But unless you are driving one or own one, the mitigation is not yours to mitigate.
Are there any plans to place diesels in any cars in the near 1-2 year future???...maybe a diesel in the Explorer, getting 35 mpg hwy and 25 city...wishful thinking???
The ML320 CDI was matched up with a Lexus RX400h hybrid in a cross country run. The Mercedes got the best mileage. Little more money than an Explorer. I would suspect GM & Ford to sell diesel cars 4 to 5 years after they are flooding the market from Germany and Japan.
$44,455 for MB
$44,660 for Lexus
I know they are popular on the used car market...
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The only reason I would buy such a vehicle is for long trips. The diesel shines above the hybrid on the highway.
10/19/06
The Touareg V10 TDI is available in showrooms starting today. The 5.0-liter diesel engine pumps out 310 horsepower at 3,750 rpm and 553 lbs-ft of torque at just 2,000 rpm. And the best part is that this high power diesel will consume up to 30 percent less fuel than traditional gasoline engines. The Touareg comes with 4-Motion all-wheel drive, ABS, Anti-slip regulation, Electronic Differential Lock, Engine Braking Assist, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Electronic Stabilization Program with brake assist, Hill Descent Assist and Hill Climb Assist. Pricing on the Touareg V10 TDI starts at $67,750, which is surely a steep sum for a mid-size SUV, but this one's kind of special.
I still think that the Touareg is the best looking SUV on the market, hands down.. not that I really love the way any SUV looks...
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And anyone who is towing their boat with a high-end midsize SUV has the wrong vehicle for the job.
PS we are seriously in danger of getting smacked down by the hosts.......we better lay off this line of discussion....
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/volkswagen/touareg/100812882/prices.html?tid=edm- unds.n.mylist.content..0.Volkswagen*
I doubt you'll find many stripper units in that price range...
Even at $60K, that is one big chunk of change for a VW..
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PIKES PEAK, Colo. 06 July 2006; Mark Miller, driving a 2006 Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI, conquered the treacherous 12.4-mile course at the 84th running of the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb. Miller finished the Race to the Clouds in 14 minutes 8 seconds, followed by teammates Ryan Arciero and Danny Sullivan.
The three Touareg V10 TDIs were the first vehicles to use ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) in the Race to the Clouds. This clean diesel fuel reduces emissions of sulfur compounds and allows for the use of advanced emission control systems. The Touareg also is the first light duty vehicle in the U.S. to include a particulate filter that further reduces emissions. The 2006 Touareg’s diesel engine is compliant in all 50 states and consumes up to 30 percent less fuel than traditional gasoline engines.
“The Touaregs, which were basically showroom stock vehicles, were faster than many of the purpose built race cars. For a vehicle with minimal modifications to cover all 12.4 miles, 156 turns at altitudes up to 14,000 feet in just over 14 minutes is remarkable,” said Miller. “The power of the twin-turbo V10 TDI diesel engine was really phenomenal.”
Touareg V10 TDI
Evidently the real issue is consumers can not chose their vehicle segment and then chose a diesel option.
Having driven this VW Jetta TDI for 83,000 miles, essentially I am "SOLD" I do wish the GASSER cars I do have were DIESEL.
The test reports say that Touareg V10 TDI is a close match to the $111k Turbo S Cayenne.
The Touareg V10 TDI is a high-performance, diesel version of Volkswagen’s popular luxury SUV. Its powerful five-liter, 10-cylinder engine boasts 310 horsepower at 3,750 revolutions per minute and offers impressive pulling power with 553 lbs-ft of torque at 2,000 rpm
Oh, and he offered to let me take the one on the lot for a test drive. My wife was in a hurry so I took his card and will go down by myself. Mighty tempting if I still had that desire to go real fast.
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I guess Cali, the state of glorious fiduciary excess, is the right place to put a $70K VW though..... :shades:
Yeah I think CA went WAY overboard trying to "take the lead" in attempting to dictate FED policy on emissions.
Glad to see diesels BACK on the market in "CALI". They should have never banned new diesel car sales starting with the 2005 model year in the first place. Diesel trucks were NOT banned during this period. To stay on point, I would like to get a diesel Honda Civic. While the gasser gets a very good 36-42 mpg in a R/T commute, 30% better or 46.8-54.6 would be better.
CA still will suffer (financially) for years to come: i.e., on the MTBE financial fiasco, where BILLIONS were mandated and lost in regulatory red tape and mandatory expenditures with waste in the BILLIONS.
The Touareg V10 TDI is not overpriced. The only Lexus in that class is more money. The Range Rover is $90k and the X5 BMW is over $70k. Its sister the Cayenne with a competitive engine to the V10 is $111K
His comment to me was he wishes that he could offer all the VW diesels. Not a day goes by that someone does not come in looking for them.
I really think your response is sour grapes because VW beat the rest to CA with a legal diesel. Hang on because the floodgate is opening for the diesels.
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Well, if you get the super sported-out 4.8is. The x5 x8 is 53K, and the i-6 version is 43K.
Of course, the toureg v10 gets 16 city and 23 highway, which is better than even the bmw i-6 with 16/21 mpg. And the toureg is much more powerful.
A great resource for real-world fuel economy is the 'Your MPG' section of the federal government's Web site at fueleconomy.gov, where drivers can log their mileage, on an ongoing basis, into a rapidly expanding (though goodwill-based and not entirely error-free) database. After having drive time in both a Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec and a Toyota Camry Hybrid, we took a look at our real-world results next to those of others, along with the official estimates.
For instance, the 2006 Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI posts EPA estimates of 27 city, 37 highway, for a combined figure of 30, yet owners (seven of them so far) report an average of more than 33 mpg. The 2007 version I drove, with its updated Bluetec engine that will be 50-state compatible next year with a new urea-injection system to cut nitrogen oxide emissions by 80 percent, posts 26 city, 37 highway, also for a combined figure of 30 mpg. In a recent 300-mile test-drive of an E320 CDI Bluetec, we saw an average of more than 33 mpg. That included about 85 miles of around-town driving, split over several days, with several puff-free cold starts (the aluminum-block engine warms up quite quickly) and several just-for-kicks full-throttle launches, along with a Saturday highway loop that included a variety of roads, including 70-mph expressway driving, creeping through small towns, and slaloming up and down a national-forest road to a trailhead. On that 300-mile day loop, we averaged more than 35 mpg, indicating that for the highway driving we were running around the 40-mpg mark for much of the time.
The following week, I was in a Camry Hybrid. So far, 20 drivers have reported an average of 37 mpg, with an EPA combined estimate of 39 mpg (Toyota originally told the press that the model would hit the market with a 43 city, 37 highway rating, but it was later revised to 40 city, 38 highway). We averaged about 31 mpg over 120 miles and five days of around-town driving, and around 34 mpg for a 20-mile, 70-mph, cruise-control highway stint. Most of the driving was with the climate control turned off or the under-dash ECO button engaged, and a genuine effort to drive for best results on the Consumption screen while still moving with traffic. ..........-end quote
Not news to me.
The MB E320 CDI Bluetec is not really a competitor for the TCH, because it's way more expensive and in another class altogether. The TCH is a "family sedan" and the MB is in the "luxury sedan" category.
The only valid competitor for the TCH will be the 2008 Passat TDI, which is it's match in size and closer in MPG and cleanliness of exhaust (if the EPA tests prove what we think we know about the 2008 diesels.)
larsbThe MB E320 CDI Bluetec is not really a competitor for the TCH, because it's way more expensive and in another class altogether. The TCH is a "family sedan" and the MB is in the "luxury sedan" category.
The only valid competitor for the TCH will be the 2008 Passat TDI, which is it's match in size and closer in MPG and cleanliness of exhaust (if the EPA tests prove what we think we know about the 2008 diesels.)
Cleanliness of exhaust... Your placing far, far, far more importance on emissions than is relevant to the vast majority of buyers of any type of car or truck.
I think diesel when it's approved will be easier on the driver so to speak, but will it be as much 'fun' to drive?
( 'fun' is a relative term. )
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.."While the gasser gets a very good 36-42 mpg in a R/T commute, 30% better (or 46.8 - 54.6 mpg) would be... better.
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Indeed if the Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, etc, (there are many others here) etc, are the gasser economy and bang for the buck leaders, a diesel option SHOULD only add value to the value they have already brought to the marketplace. So for example in a "purpose full" application, such as econonical commute car, it would be a no brainer for me to get a diesel Honda Civic given a 500-600 dollar premium over the gasser.
Let the FUN begin!!!
I can remember being 4 hours on the 405 skirting Los Angeles. I think the TCH with an XM station set to Classical music would keep out the noise and be more fun than the Passat TDI. When you head to the back winding roads up and down hills where the torque of the TDI shines I would have to give the fun nod to the Passat.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The E320 CDI is much more competition for the GS450h from Lexus. And there it blows the mileage socks off the hybrid. The only place the GS450h would be competitive with the E320 CDI is 0-60 MPH. The clear winner is the diesel. Until they publish the emissions for the blutec let's just say they are the same. Even though we know the Lexus will put out more HC and CO.
I think that's yet to be determined until we get enough of them on the road to have good "real world" numbers for each car.
So far the MB looks about 33 and I have seen GS450h tests at 27, so that's not "blowing the socks off" but is indeed better.
Once we have a larger user base we will know the real deal.
I feel that if Toyota/Lexus was serious about hybrids they would have built an ES hybrid luxury version for those that like luxury and good mileage. Nothing they build is for mileage. All Lexus hybrids are street racers including the next one the LS600h. They admit it in their advertising.
Of the 6 hybrids that Toyota/Lexus builds only two would be able to compete against a diesel version for mileage.
Ultimate Passat on the way
We spied muscular R36 – to be made available in both estate and saloon guise – pounding round test circuit
These exclusive pictures show the R36, a machine which is expected to boast a 280bhp 3.6-litre V6 engine teamed with the company's 4Motion all-wheel-drive set-up.
This combination should be more than enough to guarantee superb performance - and both saloon and estate variants are set to get the beefy new look. At the front, the R36 has large air intakes to keep the V6 cool, while black alloy rims fill the wheel-arches. A lower suspension system helps to give the sporty flagship handling to match its muscle.
The chrome shield-shaped grille of the standard car is replaced with a matt black design, and the same colour also features on the door mirrors. A revised rear bumper incorporating twin exhaust pipes sets the car apart at the back, while the VW logo on the tailgate is finished in black to match the front grille. The estate model also features a discreet high-level spoiler. The R36 is inspired by the Passat R-GT Concept, which first appeared at last year's SEMA event in Las Vegas. It is expected to debut at the Geneva Motor Show next March, before hitting showrooms later in the year.
my tdi also has the " empty gas tank" light come on after usage of about 12 gallon. I am going to try to get 50...
I just had a guy deliver biodiesel to my house in 55 gal drum....so Now I can biodiesel up right at home....
still looking for a hand transfer pump......
I have been away for a bit and look at this statement with a bit of annoyance. Frankly, I have yet to find any gasser to be as clean as a diesel and that includes the Prius.
Gassers dump plenty of unburned HC and CO into the air. Add ethanol and there are issues with increased VOC emissions when fueling, acetaldehyde, formaldehyde and an increase in PAH to boot. Add to that the performance and FE penalty. In other words, you use more fuel to go the same distance thus polluting more.
Build me a gasser that does not dump unburned HC and CO into the air and then I will consider it to be clean. Until then it is dirty.