Diesels in the News

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  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Wild-horse dangerous liaisons! ;)

    Regards,
    Jose
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Used oil can be recycled at many auto parts stores. Advance Auto gets all of mine from two cars and one lawn tractor.
  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    My question was more a rhetorical one.
    High performance synthetic oil after 15 hours in a lawnmower can doubtlessly be considered as brandnew and should not be wasted...!
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    It flows into a plastic milk carton I cut to size. Then I take it to Auto zone for recycling.
  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    ...but where is Honda when it comes down to have some real fun...?

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  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    You really do learn a new thing every day on these forums!

    I just put as much fresh oil as my mower will hold before the first use every spring. Seems to work but now you guys have me nervous that I'm not doing all I should!
    Oh well, it's just a $200 mower and it's in its 3rd year already...
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    CBR1000RR.
  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    When will a diesel version of this broken-winged scooter be unveiled...? ;)
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Change the oil about July and then again after your last mow for the season. That way the oil in the mower is clean over the winter.
  • ggurr54ggurr54 Member Posts: 30
    Just read the owners manual. With a Honda the recommnedation is change the break in oil after 5 hours and then every 50 hours of use. Using synthetic is just plain over kill.
  • w9cww9cw Member Posts: 888
    Change mine at the beginning of every mowing season with Mobil 1 10W30. Oil recycling is accepted at Advance Auto Parts, Auto Zone, and others free-of-charge. On most Briggs and Stratton engines, you can drain the oil from the oil filler tube, or from a plug on the bottom side of the engine casing.

    And, using synthetic is not overkill, due to high operational temps of air cooled engines. But, to each his/her own - it's your investment.
  • hwyhobohwyhobo Member Posts: 265
    Quoting from Autoweek article:

    For the 2009 model year, the H2 will be configured to run on E85, a blend of ethanol and gasoline. A year later, the H3 adds E85 capability. And in model year 2011, Walsh expects to introduce a line of diesel-powered trucks.

    Is this quoting Walsh correctly? Did he mean just the H2, or light trucks in general? Is GM really going to wait four years before putting diesel into light trucks?

    In a previous article, Mark Vaughn said:

    General Motors announced it will build a turbocharged 4.5-liter Duramax clean diesel V8 making in excess of 310 hp and 520-lb-ft of torque for use in light-duty trucks and Hummer H2s built after 2009.

    I thought "after 2009" meant "the following model year". I guessed it really meant was, "some time in the future, but no sooner than 2010".
  • feliciatwofeliciatwo Member Posts: 68
    Tier2 Bin 5 and/or Bluetec....THE clean diesel (also quiet and not stinky) due in 2008; Mercedes, VW Tiguan SUV...that's all I know of for certain in 2008. I' m tempted by the Tiguan except for the lack of reliability on Volkwagons part. The ultimate is Diesel/Hybrid. How come Journalists nor those here at Edmunds talk about this. Do they fall for the Mickey Mouse ideas of G.Bush on Ethenol...guess he wants to make up for the $$$ GM etc. gave him.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Dude? We are talking about $4 per year here. Noticed the mower ran smoother w/the synthetic. Dealer told me to change it every 10 mows. Read (1) in the manual on the maintenance schedule. This is an air cooled engine and I'm in Texas. I'll gamble $4 against $400 anytime.
  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    As long as you change oil on your mower twice a year or even every couple of hours, synthetic definetely is pure waste of money and plain overkill !!
    I mean, we´re talking about some tiny, stoneaged 3, 5 or maybe 10hp airpumps...
    Because I wouldn´t expect any of you folks mowing in deep winter at 0 degrees, not even a regular multigrade oil was necessary to provide proper lubrication. Simple SAE-30 or SAE-50 (due to temps of air cooled engines) would do the job perfectly.
    If you prefer to spend lots of bucks on expensive synthetic oil rather than invite your wife for a nice diner, you should keep the stuff in your beloved crankcase a lot longer...!
    Have a glance through this:

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    There is a thread dedicated to diesel hybrids with current news on the subject. Many diesel fans are interested in simple solutions, that get great economy. Hybrids by nature are not simple solutions. More parts, more expense, higher repair bills when the warranty is gone. A diesel Tiguan looks like a winner. The CRV diesel should be out from Honda soon.

    larsb, "Hybrid Diesels?" #394, 13 Jun 2007 6:23 am
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Dude, the incremental cost is $4 per year! Bon Appetit!
  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    True. That´s not even a tip for the waitress...!
    I´ll switch to synthetic immediately, too. But first I have to make sure that my certified Home Depot consultant doesn´t mind more frequent oil-changes. I just want to be on the safe side, because as a mechanic I don´t know exactly how to handle lawnmower maintenance. Especially with a highly sophisticated Honda product...
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Well, here in my area you can go to McDonalds and get a double cheeseburger for $1. and rent a movie from the Red Box for another $1.

    Brings a whole new meaning to a night out for dinner and a movie, eh?

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    Sounds a little bit nasty - but why not have a flashback to teenage times! I´ll suggest it to my wife, I´m pretty sure she´ll get horny as hell... :blush:
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    I am thinking of taking my wife there later this year for our 40th anniversary!! :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • tomcat63tomcat63 Member Posts: 82
    ...I honestly wish both of you loads of fun...!! ;)
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    The "Lawn Mower Maintenance 101" course was actually amusing at times, but let's get back to diesel engines in substantially larger vehicles :)

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Well, oil just hit $70 a barrel. I think Honda is poised to significantly increase market share as they seem to have a jump on the other makers with their upcoming diesels. Problem is you won't be able to get a good buy on one for years. Wonder if they have a diesel extended cab variant of the Ridgeline w/ a 6.5 bed in the works. Killer idea,don't you think?
  • roland3roland3 Member Posts: 431
    ... Kcram, do you know how many YEARS it took the Big 3 to stretch the Dakota, S 10 (now Colorado), Sonoma (same as S 10) and Ranger to crew cab ( 4 doors) ???
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Actually,it would be on the same wheelbase. They could also do a regular cab w/a longer box, again on the same wheelbase,chassis,etc. No significant design costs required.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It took several years after they started selling the small crew cab trucks everywhere but the USA. They all have diesel option outside the USA. I know for a fact that the Ranger Crew Cab diesel was available in SO America & Australia in the late 1990s. We get the bling bling while the rest of the world get decent practical small diesel trucks.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I think on one level, the consequences are very profound. While there are segments that indeed vilify the whole concepts of trucks, the fact of the matter they fulfill a basket load of wants and needs. To not offer the diesel options, i.e., fuel mileage of 30-35 mpg, in the largest segment (light trucks 150/1500 models and/or below) when 10-19 mph will do currently (regulatorily speaking), is to cut ones' nose to spite ones' face. So the next time the segment that vilifies those lifted and weirded out trucks, just remember they are a natural consequence (intended or not) of the current rules.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    I don't vilify the pickup trucks per se. Some guys have to work them. So they "need" the truck. Also a base pickup is inexpensive compared to most cars and SUVs so if that's all they can afford I can understand that. I think it's the 35k and up trucks and mostly body on frame suvs with 1 poser occupant that can seem annoying. But, hey,it's a free country. All that is about to change with higher prices and diesel availabiliy. A diesel pickup could get maybe 22-28. That would help greatly.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Yes, according to the government registration figures, SUV's are 12% of the passenger vehicle fleet. To my mind, it is basically a more modern day equivalent of the bygone full sized station wagon. The fact it has a multiple applications role is really gravy. I am in the "bring on the diesel truck and suv models" camp!
  • dpdawg42dpdawg42 Member Posts: 2
    So Honda is pursuing passenger diesels for the Accord, Ridgeline, etc. Has anyone heard if they will offer a diesel engine in an Acura? I drive a '06 RSX and put ~40,000 hwy miles/yr on my cars. Suffice to say, a diesel TSX or TL would be perfect.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    The direct answer is app 20-25k makes break even against a gasser motor do able.

    If you are putting the majority of those 40k miles per year on your RSX, you might want to rethink at a min, tires. Correct me if I am wrong, but the RSX tires are oem performance oriented tires. So the advantage you get in the twisties are probably lost in the more probable straight line (high/low) speed commutes. As a result it might be better to look to tires that are more touring in nature in the H rating, the longer the warranty the better. So for example, I am going on 96,000 miles on H rated tires. I project easily 100 to 125k. So in your case, those tires would last app 2.5 -3.125 years vs whatever your current ones are tending to last, which I would swag will be shorter.

    So a VW Jetta TDI as an example would easily last 10 years (400,000 miles) and save you car payments from what you are probably used to. So with the H rated tires, the longer tread life will save real cash.
  • dpdawg42dpdawg42 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks for the tire tip.
  • roland3roland3 Member Posts: 431
    ... Just looked @ that new Saab 1.9 Diesel (google news). Man that is one fancy turbo (read complicated). I wish them luck with it. What conglamerate is Saab part of ???
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    GM owns Saab
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Figures. :)
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    VW cleans up diesel's grimy US image
    von Bernard Simon (Detroit)
    The German carmaker is confident it can show Americans that their perception of diesel lags reality.

    Volkswagen of America is running a contest to find the oldest and highest- mileage diesel-powered VWs still running on their original engines. The competition is more than a publicity stunt. It has kicked off one of the most ambitious campaigns to persuade American motorists that their cars will last longer and use far less fuel if they switch to diesel.

    The German carmaker needs to generate interest ahead of next February's planned launch of its diesel-powered Jetta TDI, which VW hopes will not only revive the group's flagging US sales but put it in pole position to capture growing demand for diesels in the world's biggest car market. The Jetta is expected to be the first diesel to comply with increasingly stringent emission standards in all 50 states.

    In spite of its headstart over rivals such as BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Honda and Nissan, VW faces a Herculean task. It is not only promoting a vehicle but trying to change a mindset. "The US image of diesel today is like Europe 20 years ago," says Adrian Hallmark, head of VW of America. "It's got a dirty, noisy, smoky reputation."

    Until recently, diesel pumps were confined to truck stops and the far corners of filling stations. They are now easier to find but, according to the Diesel Technology Forum, diesel is still only available at 42 per cent of retail fuel outlets.

    General Motors helped sully diesel's name during the last oil crisis in the late 1970s by converting the petrol engine of an Oldsmobile model to diesel, with disastrous results. The converted engines were not only smelly and noisy but prone to breakdown.

    Unlike Europe, diesel typically costs more than petrol in the US, mainly because it competes for refining capacity with home heating oil. Diesel cars are also more expensive.


    Entire Article Just Click Here

    PS Just posted this because I wanted to have Post #3000. LOL
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    VW has more to combat than just the US perception of Diesels - they also have to overcome the perception of VW's low reliability compared to other marques.

    I believe that Honda and Toyota will be the ones to chnage the image of diesel in this country, as we've been saying all along. A high efficiency diesel in a car line perceived to have near-bulletproof reliability will make all the difference in the marketing of diesel engines.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Indeed in the US, that might be the real surprise! In Europe, Toyota and Honda have not done as well and indeed lag behind in all things diesel!! Gasser sales have not met internal targets, even as they both put a positive outward spin on the issue.

    My own experiences with the (USA) VW has been the reliability is just as good as either Honda or Toyota. In fact, consumable parts last 2x longer than the Honda or Toyota. Of course Honda claims dominance as does Toyota SANS consumable parts!!! VW quality is almost head and shoulders above both Honda and Toyota. This is NOT to discount the commonly knowledge (reliability or lack there of) that almost was a VW deal breaker in my case. So why Toyota or Honda for that matter is balking is quite a puzzle; in that it will be a grand opportunity to trump the Euro car makers in the USA markets and in several areas where they truly hold dominance, i.e., diesel power plants and even longer longevity.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    ruking1 says, "VW quality is almost head and shoulders above both Honda and Toyota."

    I don't really want to get into this discussion here, but I do want to confirm:

    That statement is YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, right?

    Let's just make that clear for all the newbies on the forums, because no data I've ever seen anywhere backs that statement up.

    So the message is to the Newbies: Don't be going around telling people that VW's quality is better than 'Yota and Honda unless you want to be laughed at.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."That statement is YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, right? "...

    Yes! I live/d with ALL three in the past, now and probably in the future.

    Well, this is a call em as you see em rational. It is almost undeniable. As I have said in the past, Toyota and Honda do reliability well, with mediocre quality. VW needs to improve (the statisiticaly bad ones) as they do not do (statistical)reliability as well as Toyota and/Honda with much higher quality.
  • bristol2bristol2 Member Posts: 736
    So the VW parts are better but they don't go together as well as the Honda/ Toyota designs?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,788
    pretty much. maybe "better" isn't necessarily the correct term ... but I'll leave that alone for now.

    most professional reviews I've read would typically agree. They always seem to love the high-quality feel of VW.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • stevecebustevecebu Member Posts: 493
    VW has more to combat than just the US perception of Diesels - they also have to overcome the perception of VW's low reliability compared to other marques.

    VW and reliable are not words that go together with any of the ones I've owned. Various years of the Beetles, a Kharman Ghia, a Rabbit and a Golf as well as a Dasher.
    Not a single one even came close to being reliable. I had old beat to crap Mopars that were 2 steps away from the junkyard that ran more reliably that I paid less for.
    Maybe I just have bad luck with VW? well VW and Ford. I had a the only turbo mustang ever produced by Ford back in the 1980's bought it with like 5 miles or so on it.
    The shifter felt all wrong so I took it back to the dealer and the salesman said he'd look at it. He drove it around the building and proclaimed I didn't know how to drive a standard (yeah right). They wouldn't even let service look at it. 3 days later the engine /tranny fell onto the ground! Nearly flipped the car over *ss over teakettle.
    It took 4 salesman to restrain me at the dealership from committing violent acts on the salesman. Hey I was young and really angry. Bottom line they could not replace the Mustang, nor would they fix it so they gave me a Ford Fairmont in exchange. The last Ford I ever owned and I will never own a Ford again, so I'm not dissing the VW's but poor reliability is just that. VW wasn't that bad but often I would have to take it back 5-6 times to get the same problem fixed. Pre lemon law.
    Too bad they are the only ones with a diesel that's affordable next year. I'll buy a gasser before I'll buy a VW. :(
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Member Posts: 483
    I agree, I spent many years in the auto repair business and found VW to be among the most unreliable vehicle line produced. They seem to have improved overall recently, but in no way can they be compared to Honda or Toyota or other far more reliable vehicles.

    As for the Ford's you mentioned - they were absolute garbage. Ford has also apparently improved recently; I remain hopeful, but skeptical.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Fit and finish are generally better in the VW. (In the Toyota and Honda they are very good) Since I do not have access to the specifications and such, my own sotp experiences are the failure RATES are higher for critical typical customer concerns. So for example, if a Honda customer keeps his Civic for say 100,000 miles, they are probably not going to care that they might need an oil change every 5k, tires at 50k (to 100k) brakes, rotors, possibly and a timing belt change at 105k. For the VW, an OCI is 10k and if you are dialed in, it can go to 25k, 50k is 2x what those tires are lasting. Since I aim to keep the car till 500k and hopefully 1M miles, this puts a different outlook on things. Indeed things go wrong in VW Toyota and Honda. It is usually taken care of during the warranty periods.
  • bamacarbamacar Member Posts: 749
    Seems people are confused on the term "quality".

    Honda and Toyota have clearly better reliability than Volkswagen.

    Volkswagen may have better "quality" in terms of perceived high standard of materials and feel (may also help long term durability that Ruking appears to be looking for).

    Toyota and Honda have better "quality" in terms of manufacture defects in assembly, fit and finish defects, etc.

    When the vehicles are rated for which brands and models are higher in quality they tend to talk of the second definition which clearly favors Honda and Toyota.

    In other words, Jaguar has outstanding "quality" with regards to great leather, wood, metals etc. but has very poor "quality" in the way its parts are put together during the manufacturing and assembly process.
  • stevecebustevecebu Member Posts: 493
    I agree, I spent many years in the auto repair business and found VW to be among the most unreliable vehicle line produced. They seem to have improved overall recently, but in no way can they be compared to Honda or Toyota or other far more reliable vehicles.

    Well when it comes to my hard earned I am very cautious about who I give it to. I have no qualms with Honda or Toyota and might buy one but I'm a Subie fan at heart. Mostly because they've been reliable and get through the bad winters with ease.

    As for the Ford's you mentioned - they were absolute garbage. Ford has also apparently improved recently; I remain hopeful, but skeptical.

    Yeah they were awful build quality and the dealer is a ripoff artist that is still in business and rips off one of his best customers a guy whom I know every 2 years they devalue his LTD's by 70% and those cars are low miles and clean enough to eat off of!
    Ford execs could crawl on hands and knees over broken glass covered in salt and tabassco sauce to give me the keys to a brand new Ford and I wouldn't take it, unless I could sell it and keep the money. Nothing Ford can or ever will do could ever get me to buy one of their cars. Oh and I've owned a lot of used and new Fords but not for many years. I did buy a Miata which Ford basically owns Mazda but has no say in that car and a few other Mazdas but wasn't happy with them. The Miata was great but. If Ford has their hand in it then i just don't want to buy it. Their cars are too full of gremlins (not the AMC kind or the ones from the movie :P )
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    I agree that the VW has a nicer "feel" and comfort factor in the interior. I also like the way they drive. I'm just afraid to buy one. I've owned 3 Accords so what else can I do?
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Regardless of individual experiences, the general overall American public's perception and experiences reflect that Toyota and Honda, amongst others, of course, are considered reliable and are held in high esteem by a considerably large number of owners.

    So, when we consider that the diesel mindset has to change, it will be changed in a number of ways. The public will start to see a very dramatic increase in diesel powertrain availability by various manufacturers over the next few years. They will not be as unique or rare as they have been in recent years. That increased exposure itself will lend credibility to diesels as a viable alternative. Especially when highly respected and highly regarded manufacturers also offer diesels. This increased credibility to the diesel alternative will continue to grow.

    As advertising from the various manufacturers all start to hammer the same message... eventually the public will understand that diesels have undergone a major transition from the old clickety-clackety smokey engines to a whole new generation of cleaner, quiter, environmentally-friendly engines that will offer a huge increase in fuel economy.

    Diesels will eventually experience a sales increase that will be so fast it will surpass the hybrid's rate of growth, but not necessarily the number of units sold. After all, hybrids have had a number of years head start to gain positive public perception.

    Another factor in favor of the diesel is the product itself. Diesels have honest advantages that can be understood, and seen at the dealerships and test-driven. They are not hype. They are the real deal... offering a terrific alternative to the traditional gas ICE.

    Personally, I can't wait to get at least two diesel-powered vehicles for my family. My wait, in California, might be a little longer than the rest of the country, but it will be worth it. I expect to get a Mercedes GL BlueTec for my wife, and I expect to get another smaller diesel SUV for myself... (when I'm not driving my Porsche Carrera S. :) )

    I will definately put my money where my mouth is. I am a true supporter of the new modern diesel.

    Already the "chatter" about the upcoming diesels is growing. The auto magazines, as well as the auto columns in the newspapers and business magazines, as well as online auto-related content, and auto-focused websites have increasing content devoted to diesels.

    This is only the beginning. VW will not bear the burden of convincing the nation about diesels. Only initially will they be amongst the early participants. We should expect a very large surge in diesel awareness and acceptance, which will prove itself in terms of diesel sales. Already exclusive in California, and by the end of this decade, the entire nation will be offering ULSD fuel, and at that same time we can expect diesel sales to skyrocket. And, as I indicated, the participation of most manufacturers, and especially the highly regarded ones, will add major credibility to the diesel alternative. Diesels will be very successful!

    Diesel... the sooner the better!

    TagMan
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